West of Scotland Senior League?

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Largs statement

Faudlhouse United holding an 'urgent meeting'

Also this email was sent out to west region clubs yesterday:

Dear All

The outcome of the recent Pyramid Working Group and the subsequent statement from the Lowland League suggesting they intend “taking the process forward” has caused further consternation and uncertainty. I note that the statement doesn’t suggest any detail on how this process might work. It has been suggested elsewhere that “expressions of interest “ will be issued – however will, as suggested “every club in the Lowland area have the opportunity to progress through the Pyramid” or only a selected few.

Its interesting to note that as far as I am aware, neither the EOS or LL have sought agreement as yet or received permission from the Scottish FA to form a new League(s)

We have been consistent in advocating that the Pyramid void in the West of Scotland can be readily filled and administered by the existing West Region structure. We have also been seeking assurances that the North and East Regions are given the same fair and equitable opportunities

Whilst it is not the intention to reschedule any further meetings of the PWG meantime, I am continuing communication with the Scottish FA and Rod Petrie has agreed to attend our Management Committee meeting on Thursday evening.

I would ask that all clubs stay resolute at this time and hopefully it can be facilitated that we can process through the Pyramid from within the Junior structure.

Regards
Tom Johnston
Scottish Junior FA
The fact that two clubs pressed forward with going public even after reading the email gives me hope that clubs/comitees are rising above the solidarity to the grade & sticking together rallying cry, an approach that seen no west clubs in the pyramid & will see zero if they back said approach.
 

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If Johnston pulls this out of the fire, we're talking Liverpool vs. AC Milan 2005 levels of comeback here.
 

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If Johnston pulls this out of the fire, we're talking Liverpool vs. AC Milan 2005 levels of comeback here.
The only things at this point TJ could do is either convince Petrie & co to reconvene the PWG or stall things so that the WOSFL isn't formed for next season. I don't see either happening. In PWG meetings TJ has stated the west juniors in tact is necessary to faciliate a west feeder as no west junior clubs would have an interest in joining a new league. This is clearly not the case given recent going on's with more cliubs likely to come. As someone from the west who has been pro-pyramid for a very long time this entire process is beyond infuriating & I lay the blame a the feet of the SJFA.
 

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Reading the P&B forum thread, it appears that someone associated with Auchinleck Talbot, is saying that they will be involved in the new WOSL. But they appear to be keeping their powder dry right now and just watching things develop. I assume when the gun fires there may be a few clubs in the same position. Interesting reading the points about the SOSL. Does anyone know what will happen with this league? Will it eventually be placed at step 7 and feed into the WOSL?
 

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Reading the P&B forum thread, it appears that someone associated with Auchinleck Talbot, is saying that they will be involved in the new WOSL. But they appear to be keeping their powder dry right now and just watching things develop. I assume when the gun fires there may be a few clubs in the same position. Interesting reading the points about the SOSL. Does anyone know what will happen with this league? Will it eventually be placed at step 7 and feed into the WOSL?
The SOSL will remain where it is for the foreseeable future as the league isn't obligated to move. Things may change in the future ofc but that's a conversation/debate for further down the line.

On the subject of Auchinleck my feeling is they'll announce something once the WOSL has more information/is made official although it's highly possible the club have made inquiries in private but haven't announced anything in public. Talbot have spent a lot of money on floodlights plus other ground work with an eye for licensing so if they didn't move they wouldn't be able to reap the rewards of the work they've put in. No brainer to move really when the time comes.

Also from the P&B thread someone involved with Drumpchapel United PYM (not to be confused with Drumchapel Amateurs) of the Central Scottish AFL Premier has confirmed they've made inquiries. The club currently play at the Donald Dewar Centre in the Drumchapel area.
 

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Pyramid Statement
12/02/2020 By Media Team
The latest Pyramid Working Group Update
Following the statement issued on 7 February 2020, numerous informal contacts have been made by Clubs interested in the formation of a new West of Scotland League [WoSFL] at Tier 6 in the Pyramid. This shows clearly that there is an appetite for such an expansion of the Pyramid. The Scottish Lowland Football League [SLFL], in conjunction with the East of Scotland Football League [EoSFL] can now lay out the high level plan to introduce the WoSFL by the start of season 2020/2021.
The next step will be to invite Clubs to register an Expression of Interest to George Fraser, Chairperson of the SLFL by Sunday 1 March, to geo_fraser @hotmail.co.uk. Any expressions of interest must include the contact details of at least one club official. These will be treated in the strictest confidence. Clubs should not contact the newly formed email address relating to WoSFL, this Is not run by either the SLFL or EoSFL. At the same time the Clubs are welcome to ask any questions on how the Pyramid works currently as the informal contacts suggested this would be useful. The sending of the Expression of Interest does not of course commit any Club to any particular course of action, but it would be very helpful if we could gauge as closely as possible the actual level of interest in the WoSFL.
The next again step will be to invite Clubs to complete by Tuesday 31 March 2020 an Application to Join the WoSFL. Once again these will be treated in the strictest confidence. The process surrounding these applications will be announced by Friday 6 March 2020.
This plan is to allow every Club at all grades in the SLFL area the opportunity to progress through the Pyramid. There will of course be issues such as geographical integrity to be considered with the introduction of a third Tier 6 League alongside the EoSFL and SoSFL. This and any other consequences will be addressed in a respectful, constructive and orderly way.
Issued by –
George Fraser [Chairperson SLFL] and John Greenhorn [Chairperson EoSFL]
 

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Breakdown of the numbers that have expressed interest thus far (not all have made their intentions public yet). Posted by one of the head honchos at Kilwinning who'se been involved heavily in the process so far.

West Prem 7
West Champ 4
West 1st 1
West 2nd 0
SOS 1
East Jun 1
Amateur 2
 

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Breakdown of the numbers that have expressed interest thus far (not all have made their intentions public yet). Posted by one of the head honchos at Kilwinning who'se been involved heavily in the process so far.

West Prem 7
West Champ 4
West 1st 1
West 2nd 0
SOS 1
East Jun 1
Amateur 2
I’m assuming they’ll want at least 10 to make it worthwhile.
 

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Statement from Glenafton & Kirkintilloch Rob Roy canvasing for feedback.

CLUB STATEMENT REGARDING THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL PYRAMID STRUCTURE
After our club meeting tonight we have prepared the following statement

A couple of years ago the SJFA fully backed the concept of junior clubs enrolling into the SFA pyramid system but negotiations have broken down between both parties involved

Our club would prefer to remain within the existing SJFA West league structure, we can confirm that we will support the SJFA to find a suitable solution to resolve this matter

In the meantime we have addressed our “ expression of interest “ for the proposed Scottish Lowland West of Scotland League at Tier 6 in the pyramid.

We will keep all our members and fans updated
Yours in sport John Stewart (Glenafton Athletic Secretary)
HAVE YOUR SAY!
With our manager Stewart Maxwell backing the clubs move to a proposed West Of Scotland 6th league.
Rob Roy’s new park on the horizon
The potential of Senior Scottish cup
Under 20s development league
Get to the lowland league
And maybe one day the dizzy heights of senior football?
Great for our community? Yes/No
Opinions please
 

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That's a reasonable summary of the current speculation on Pie and Bovril.
Do you have any idea what happened at the SFA-Juniors meeting last night? Nothing has come out.
 

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The SoS club that's interested is Bonnyton, presumably?
Or Braves looking for somewhere more convenient for their Reserves.
 

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Do you have any idea what happened at the SFA-Juniors meeting last night? Nothing has come out.
Give them time, for goodness sake. I would imagine the SJFA management committee will meet again without the SFA then issue a statement.
 

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Give them time, for goodness sake. I would imagine the SJFA management committee will meet again without the SFA then issue a statement.
I’d have thought they’d be trying to save their little empire. The clock’s ticking and clubs won’t wait. There could easily be a domino effect.
 

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From their point of view saying heehaw is probably their most effective tactic.
 

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I would confirm that the SJFA Management Committee met last night to discuss the ongoing situation around the SFA’s Pyramid Plan. Our continual aim is to meet the mandate given by our member clubs & deliver the pyramid pathway, we are confident this can be achieved.

We plan to open & re-engage with all parties through more positive dialogue in order to reach an amicable solution that meets the demands of everyone. That process has already started. We hope our alternative approach allows each association to meet their objectives, we firmly believe through positive and constructive dialogue this can be achieved.

We would like to put on record our thanks to SFA President Rod Petrie for his input as we strive to reach an amical conclusion for the benefit of Scottish Football.
 

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Maryhill statement


"The division between junior and senior football in Scotland has always been an artificial one which is rooted far back in history. Maryhill FC – it’s worth noting we’ve NEVER actually been called Maryhill Juniors – were formed in 1884 and spent our first decade or so as a senior eam.

There were no leagues back then, and as protectionism set in with the bigger sides more and more only wanting to play each other leaving the smaller teams out in the cold, the two groups coalesced into senior and junior grades. As this process happened, those in charge of Maryhill FC at the time had a decision to make, and as one of the smaller Glasgow clubs opted to join the ranks of the juniors.

And so it remained through thick and thin for more than a century with the glass ceiling firmly in effect between the league and non-league systems operating side by side with virtually no congruence between the two. Finally several years ago the pyramid system was introduced which allowed for non-league teams to progress into the Scottish league structure proper and conversely for league teams to go the other way.

For the last few seasons the pre-existing East of Scotland League has been absorbing a large proportion of the East Region junior teams, but for junior teams in the West Region there was no pre-existing league structure to join.

Until now that is, as it is now expected that a senior West of Scotland League at Tier 6 of the Scottish League system will be in place for next season. The talks to incorporate the West Region en bloc into the pyramid now appear to have reached an impasse, and after several years of assurances that a solution was imminent, we as a club share the sense of frustration felt by many others at the lack of progress thus far.

We are proud members of the SJFA – we’ve walked too many miles down the road along with them for it to be otherwise – but for the first time in a long time there is a fork in the road ahead of us.

It would be remiss of those currently in charge of Maryhill FC if we failed to have a look to see what lies down the alternative path which may soon open up and to investigate all available opportunities for our club.

We are merely the current torchbearers for the flame the late Victorians who formed the club ignited, but it appears that in common with them we may soon have a decision to make.

As always, it will be the one that we feel is in the best interests of the future of Maryhill FC."
 
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