September 14

Lord Lucan

Reserve Team Star
Joined
Dec 9, 2019
Messages
1,153
In my Retro post for 7th May, I mentioned an earlier VfB game and this was it.

1991 (Saturday)

VfB Leipzig 1 SV Darmstadt 98 1
Germany 2.Bundesliga South
@ Bruno-Plache-Stadion
Adm: 7 DM; Att: 2,400

In an eventful first half, visitors Darmstadt scored from a penalty converted by Gerhard Kleppinger (previously at Schalke 04 and Borussia Dortmund amongst others) on 6', then had Gu Guangming (50 caps for China) sent off on 37'. Dirk Anders converted the resultant penalty to equalise.

The second half was more mundane until very near the end when the Darmstadt keeper, Wilhelm Huxhorn, was sent off for punching striker Bernd Hobsch. Then, to everyone's amazement, as a groggy Hobsch stood up he too was shown a red card, presumably for being punched. The crowd was incensed and some of the decaying wooden benchs in the stand were broken up and hurled towards the pitch and people were trying to scale the perimeter fence. More missiles and abuse were thrown as the referee was escorted from the pitch after the final whistle a couple of minutes later - probably a good job the Polizei had prevented a very threatening looking mob of 50/60 skinheads from entering the ground before the start.

Rather bizarrely (to English eyes, at least) one page of the programme was given over to a statement from the Fanclub strongly criticising the performance of the team and calling for a protest at todays match - no banners hung on the fence for the first 10 minutes of the game and the fan block to remain empty. The sign-off slogan was "NO PERFORMANCE - NO FANS !!!"
VfB1.jpeg VfB.jpg
VfB.jpeg
 

leohoenig

Forum Admin
Staff member
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
2,744
Team{s}
Cheltenham Town
1981-2 was the first season I made a record of my games, and even then, I missed out the pre-season friendly, Woodford Town 1-1 Hillingdon Borough (at Snakes Lane). So, by the 14th September, I reached the 16th game for which I recorded the players’ names and goalscorers.

It was an FA Cup Preliminary Round, Second Replay, so played on a Monday night and bringing out a number of the London regulars. Egham Town and Marlow had played out 1-1 draws on each ground before this, and Egham had won the toss to stage the third tie.

In this, third game, Marlow started the stronger, and by 11 minutes gone, they were 2-0 up. Kotviks started the come-back with a 26th minute goal. When he scored his second, in the 43rd minute, it put Egham 4-2 ahead. Still time for another goal before the break and we went in at 4-3.

Only one goal in the second half, it appears we must have been spoiled in those first 45 minutes and the teams were now going to actually defend. The one goal was an equaliser, and at 4-4 one wonders how many times I have seen both teams come back from two goals down in the same game.

And then, at the start of extra time, Marlow collapsed and by the time they turned around they were 7-4 down. No further come-backs. In fact, no further goals. Egham lost at home to Maidenhead United in the next round, five days later.

1982 – Dorking 2-0 Eastbourne Town. My first visit to Meadowbank, and the only time in four visits that I saw Dorking play there. Twenty-six years since my last visit

1983 – Milton Keynes City 3-4 Leicester United (247). At Manor Fields, which is now the Irish Centre and still in use although both teams from this game are long gone. I paid a pound for this, 80p to get in, 20p for the programme. A good deal more, of course for the train ticket to get there. Leicester United came back from a goal down three times, and only ever led in the final seven minutes

1985 – Blackpool Mechanics 1-2 Lancaster City (32). North West Counties League, and a very poor attendance. It seemed the game was being continually buzzed by a light aircraft which was practising approaches to the runway, (unless it was a very poor pilot who kept missing).

1988 – Welwyn Garden United 3-2 Ashcroft. South Midlands League. Played at the Gosling Stadium.

1991 – APV Peterborough City 0-0 Alvechurch. According to Richard Rundle’s FCHD, this was the only season I could see APV Peterborough City. The year before they were known as Baker Perkins (and played elsewhere) while for 1992-3 they dropped the APV. They were demoted from the UCL Premier to Division One in 1992, and dropped out of the United Counties altogether in 1993. I am not sure if they folded at the same time. I had seen Baker Perkins play in Alma Road, at a ground now given over to housing, (Century Square). For 1991, they were playing at a ground I have referred to as South Bretton Playing Fields, but Alan Wiggins calls the Phorpres Sports Ground. [It is unlikely these are two different locations, as we both went in the same season]. The ground is now mainly a car park for Jewson. As for the game, I may have thought United Counties against Southern League was a good clash, but it was as dull as they come. Alvechurch were relegated at the end of the season, (due to on the field badness), and like Peterborough City they folded in 1993.

1992 – Biwater 2-3 Norton Woodseats. Central Midlands. A 6.15 kick off on September 14th. Surprised they managed to get 40 minutes each way in. Not surprised three of the goals were scored in the last ten minutes, when one suspects the keepers could not see the ball. Biwater were previously known as Clay Cross Works and used this name in the Central Midlands from 1988 to 1994. I believe the ground has been built over

1993 – Witney Town 1-2 Thame United (aet) (172). FA Cup, First Qualifying Round replay. My first visit to the Downs Road ground in Witney. I went again, for a Witney United game when I lived nearby

1996 – Reading Town 3-1 Walton Casuals (50). Combined Counties League. Slightly surprising that I did this on a Saturday. Makes me wonder if they had floodlights then

1999 – Hayes 2-3 Yeovil Town (747). Farewell to Church Lane, my 11th and final visit to the ground. Of my 11 visits, one was a semi-professional international, England 4-1 Italy which had several Cheltenham players, and a picture I had taken on the cover, (used without asking permission). Of ten Hayes games, Hayes had won five, drawn 3 (including one against Cheltenham) and this was just their second defeat. No less than four of the away teams, (Cheltenham, Wycombe, Yeovil and Hereford) subsequently played in the football league.

2003 – Double header on a Sunday in Belgium, thanks to a game at 18.00. Zwevegem Sport 3-0 Izegem (350), Division 4A, and De Pinte 1-0 Destelbergen (250), Oost Vlaanderen, Second Provincial. Good crowd for the second game

2006 – My first game in Bulgaria, at the start of a long weekend. This is the Thursday night game, and in the UEFA Cup. Lokomotiv Sofia 2-2 Feyenoord (4000). I had requested and been given press accreditation for this one, which was played not at Lokomotiv’s ground, but at CSKA’s Bulgarska Armia (Bulgarian Army) Stadium. However, seeing a crowd entering the Vassil Levski (National) stadium, I went to the gate there first. They were going to let me in as press, even though it was a pop concert! I made my exit and found the correct stadium around 200 metres away. Lokomotiv were two up in 28 minutes, before the Netherlands team came back to draw on the night, and indeed go through on away goals after a scoreless second leg. My other pictures from this are on the tweet of the dayLoko v Feyenoord at CSKA m.JPG

2010 – Didcot Town 3-2 Cirencester Town (136). FA Cup, First Qualifying Round Replay. My fourth (of 5) visits to the Loop Meadow. I have been to the old ground far more frequently, since it is now Sainsburys’ Car Park.

2013 - Cheltenham Town 2-2 Oxford United (3906)

2018 – Longlevens 0-0 Tuffley Rovers (aet) (184). FA Vase, Second Qualifying Round. Friday night, all Gloucester derby in the FA Vase. Dull game though
IMG_20180914_193609 m.jpg

2019 – USON Mondeville 0-3 AG Caen, (or Union Sportive Ouvrière Normande de Mondeville v Avant Garde Caennaise to give the full names) (500). Coupe de France, Third Round. Straight forward win for the National 3 side, playing away to Mondeville, only one division lower.

P1060398 m.JPG
 

Attachments

  • Loko v Feyenoord at CSKA m.JPG
    Loko v Feyenoord at CSKA m.JPG
    246.4 KB · Views: 1
  • IMG_20180914_193609 m.jpg
    IMG_20180914_193609 m.jpg
    231.2 KB · Views: 1

Steveb

Reserve Team Star
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
1,327
Team{s}
England, Leicester City, Bedfont & Feltham
1985 Isthmian Lge, Div 1: Staines Town 2 Grays Athletic 1 (att 135)

1988 Isthmian Lge, Div 2 North: Royston Town 0 Letchworth Garden City 0 (178)

1991 Central Midlands Lge, Premier Div South: Slack and Parr 3 Leicester Nirvana 2 (32)

1993 Western Lge, Div 1: Clyst Rovers 2 Chard Town 0 (67)

This was a revisit on a Tuesday night. I was visiting my parents for a few days, and they lived in east Devon at the time.

1994 Somerset Senior Lge, Div 2: Cheddar 5 Imperial Bristol 1 (20)

1996 Welsh Cup, 1st rnd: British Aerospace 1 Cefn Druids 2 (40)

Just a pitch at the time, must have been developed significantly since as the club has morphed into Airbus UK Broughton.

2002
11am Football Lge Youth Alliance, Gp 1: Carlisle United U18 1 Hartlepool United U18 1 (36)
2.30pm East of Scotland Qualifying Cup, 1st rnd: Hawick Royal Albert 0 Edinburgh Athletic 1 (58)

The Carlisle game was played on a training pitch behind the main stand at Brunton Park. Since the stadium and surroundings suffered flood damage the training pitch has been relocated to the north of the stadium, although most youth team games are now played elsewhere.

2004 I Zingari League, Div 2: Finn Harps 1 Lydiate Weld 2 (25)

2007 Halifax & District Lge, Premier Div: Ryburn United 2 Hebden Royd Red Star 4 (40)

2013
11am Under 18 Premier Lge: Norwich City U18 3 Middlesbrough U18 2 (54)
2.30pm Anglian Combination, Premier Div: Caister 1 Norwich CEYMS 3 (43)

2015
1pm Under 21 Professional Development Lge 2: Leeds United U21 3 Bristol City U21 0 (110)
7pm Under 21 Premier League: Derby County U21 2 Swansea City U21 1 (270)

An under 21 double on a Monday. The Leeds game was at their Thorp Arch training ground, on an enclosed pitch well away from where I'd previously seen their youth team. The Derby match was on pitch number six at the FA's St George's Park (pictured below).
4294.jpg

2019
11am Witney & District Lge, Premier Div: Milton-under-Wychwood 1 Spartan Rangers 2 (166)
2.30pm Oxfordshire Senior Lge, Premier Div: Freeland 2 Hanborough 2 (56)
4.30pm Witney & District Lge, Div 2: Ducklington 2 Wootton Sports 3 (178)

Hard to believe this was 12 months ago. Two hop games, but I went off-piste for my middle game.
 

Football Shorts

Youth Team Sub
Joined
Feb 13, 2020
Messages
229
Team{s}
neutral
2013 - WORKSOP TOWN 1-1 BOOTLE - fac 1qr - att 179
2015 - MAINE ROAD 0-3 PADIHAM - nwcfl pd - att 75
2019 - CHEADLE TOWN 4-0 EAST HULL - fav 2qr - att 56

3 games - 9 goals - 1 red - 3 pens, 2 scored, 1 over
 

The Willows

Reserve Team Hopeful
Joined
Dec 8, 2019
Messages
520
Team{s}
Mansfield Town
Tuesday 14th September 1993

Crusaders 0 Servette 0 (3,500)

Another long solo daytrip. Drove about six hours to Stranraer for the ferry to Larne, then train to Belfast and walked up York Road to Seaview. With a pint of Guinness in the Crues Social Club I relaxed reading the Irish Times, over came three guys wanting to know why I was there. I guess it was a little naive of me to be there alone at a time when all outsiders were viewed with suspicion. As for the game both teams cancelled each other out in this Uefa Cup tie, the Swiss upped their game in the second leg winning 4-0 in Geneva. Went back by the same route to complete another 24 hour day of travelling.
crusaders-football-club-welcome-to-seaview-1464812970.jpg
 

Sale Holmfield

Youth Team Star
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
384
Team{s}
Altrincham
Your experience and that of Sale Holmfield are perhaps different from many of us who grew up supporting FL clubs (in my case, Oxford United rather than Oxford City) so credit to the two of you.
I do feel a bit guilty at not having followed City but it was Oxford United whose results were on the TV on Saturday afternoons which is how I was more aware of them. I probably only became aware of Oxford City's existence a week or two after declaring my allegiance to United, when reading the sports pages of the local paper. A good question here would be; If Oxford United had remained as Headington United, would I have supported them? Seeing 'Headington United' on the BBC teleprinter would not have meant anything to me as, despite living in the Summerstown district of north Oxford, I was not even aware then that there was another suburb of Oxford called Headington.
As for hooliganism, I don't know if it was a worry for my parents but as my father took me to games, this was probably sufficient to reassure my mother.
Ironically, Altrincham v Oxford City is another fixture I could have chosen for September 14th as City were unlikely visitors to Moss Lane for a Conference North match in 2013 watched by 820. Altrincham were to get promoted via the play-offs at the end of that season. That was a 2-2 draw. Oxford City only brought about 20 supporters, bu they all seemed very drunk!

It's interesting to read of Ricardo's similar experience. I suspect that's a consequence of living in suburbia, where there are big and forbidding (for parents) clubs nearby, as well as other clubs within very easy reach.

As Hoddy says, Moss Lane was a Monday night venue back in the day before switching to Tuesdays in 1987, I think, to give the players a longer break after Saturday matches. Any occasional game which does get played on a Monday evening still gets people excited and reminiscing about the old days, though.
 

Steveb

Reserve Team Star
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
1,327
Team{s}
England, Leicester City, Bedfont & Feltham
Tuesday 14th September 1993

Crusaders 0 Servette 0 (3,500)

Another long solo daytrip. Drove about six hours to Stranraer for the ferry to Larne, then train to Belfast and walked up York Road to Seaview. With a pint of Guinness in the Crues Social Club I relaxed reading the Irish Times, over came three guys wanting to know why I was there. I guess it was a little naive of me to be there alone at a time when all outsiders were viewed with suspicion. As for the game both teams cancelled each other out in this Uefa Cup tie, the Swiss upped their game in the second leg winning 4-0 in Geneva. Went back by the same route to complete another 24 hour day of travelling.
Reading an Irish newspaper in the Crusaders social club was probably more naive than simply being there alone.
 

Ellisref

Reserve Team Starter
Joined
Jan 9, 2020
Messages
784
Team{s}
Wrexham and a general look out for some of the friendly teams I've been observing at around the country.
1974 - Longfleet St Mary v Sturminster Newton (Dorset Combination) a late appearance as a substitute in a 3-0 win, one of the rare wins. Played at the old ground in the village/town centre in Sturminster.
1980 - Athena Athletic v Athletico Sportsman (Sportsmans Langley Trophy) - referee, played at Figge's Marsh, Mitcham.
1982 - Hounslow Res v Wembley Res (Suburban North) - linesman.
1985 - Hampton v Leytonstone/Ilford (Isthmian 1) - linesman.
1991 - Fareham Town v Hythe Town (Southern South) - referee, att. 151.
1994 - Frome Town v Elmore (Western Premier) - linesman.
2002 - Portland United v Moneyfields (Wessex) - observer, att. 128.
2003 - Oates v White Heather Hornets (Robbins Cup) - referee, played at Fernheath Road and decided by the short lived golden goal in extra time.
2005 - Farnborough Town Res v Slough Res (Capital SW) - linesman.
2008 - A double bill
Eurasat Lions v TX United (InExcess Cup) - referee, played at Plainfield Farm, Broadstone
Cobham Sports v Blackfield & Langley (Hampshire U18 Division 1) - referee.
2011 - Poole GS v Bournemouth School (Hampshire Colleges) - referee.
2013 - Allendale v Mploy (Bournemouth 1) - referee, played at Redcotts Rec, Wimborne.
2014 - AFC Brit v Muscliffe (Bournemouth Sunday 2) - referee, played at Whitecliff.
2019 - Clipstone v Graham St Prims (East Midlands Counties) - observer, att. 53.
 

Mark Hardy

Youth Team Hopeful
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
187
Camberley TownFarnborough Town14/09/881-6AC Delco Cup
Farnborough TownRuncorn14/09/910-2GMVC
Three BridgesFarnborough Town14/09/961-6FA Cup
Farnborough TownYeading14/09/992-0Ryman League Cup
Farnborough TownScarborough14/09/021-1Nationwide Conference
LauncestonCamelford14.09.121-0SWP Prem
Bangor CityPort Talbot Town14.09.131-1Welsh Premier
Hollands & BlairLordswood14.09.164-0SCELP
Hebburn TownBillingham Synthonia14.09.183-1FA Vase
Lancaster CityGrantham Town14.09.193-3NPL Premier
 

marthabbin

Junior Team Hopeful
Joined
Apr 9, 2020
Messages
9
1981-2 was the first season I made a record of my games, and even then, I missed out the pre-season friendly, Woodford Town 1-1 Hillingdon Borough (at Snakes Lane). So, by the 14th September, I reached the 16th game for which I recorded the players’ names and goalscorers.

It was an FA Cup Preliminary Round, Second Replay, so played on a Monday night and bringing out a number of the London regulars. Egham Town and Marlow had played out 1-1 draws on each ground before this, and Egham had won the toss to stage the third tie.

In this, third game, Marlow started the stronger, and by 11 minutes gone, they were 2-0 up. Kotviks started the come-back with a 26th minute goal. When he scored his second, in the 43rd minute, it put Egham 4-2 ahead. Still time for another goal before the break and we went in at 4-3.

Only one goal in the second half, it appears we must have been spoiled in those first 45 minutes and the teams were now going to actually defend. The one goal was an equaliser, and at 4-4 one wonders how many times I have seen both teams come back from two goals down in the same game.

And then, at the start of extra time, Marlow collapsed and by the time they turned around they were 7-4 down. No further come-backs. In fact, no further goals. Egham lost at home to Maidenhead United in the next round, five days later.

1982 – Dorking 2-0 Eastbourne Town. My first visit to Meadowbank, and the only time in four visits that I saw Dorking play there. Twenty-six years since my last visit

1983 – Milton Keynes City 3-4 Leicester United (247). At Manor Fields, which is now the Irish Centre and still in use although both teams from this game are long gone. I paid a pound for this, 80p to get in, 20p for the programme. A good deal more, of course for the train ticket to get there. Leicester United came back from a goal down three times, and only ever led in the final seven minutes

1985 – Blackpool Mechanics 1-2 Lancaster City (32). North West Counties League, and a very poor attendance. It seemed the game was being continually buzzed by a light aircraft which was practising approaches to the runway, (unless it was a very poor pilot who kept missing).

1988 – Welwyn Garden United 3-2 Ashcroft. South Midlands League. Played at the Gosling Stadium.

1991 – APV Peterborough City 0-0 Alvechurch. According to Richard Rundle’s FCHD, this was the only season I could see APV Peterborough City. The year before they were known as Baker Perkins (and played elsewhere) while for 1992-3 they dropped the APV. They were demoted from the UCL Premier to Division One in 1992, and dropped out of the United Counties altogether in 1993. I am not sure if they folded at the same time. I had seen Baker Perkins play in Alma Road, at a ground now given over to housing, (Century Square). For 1991, they were playing at a ground I have referred to as South Bretton Playing Fields, but Alan Wiggins calls the Phorpres Sports Ground. [It is unlikely these are two different locations, as we both went in the same season]. The ground is now mainly a car park for Jewson. As for the game, I may have thought United Counties against Southern League was a good clash, but it was as dull as they come. Alvechurch were relegated at the end of the season, (due to on the field badness), and like Peterborough City they folded in 1993.

1992 – Biwater 2-3 Norton Woodseats. Central Midlands. A 6.15 kick off on September 14th. Surprised they managed to get 40 minutes each way in. Not surprised three of the goals were scored in the last ten minutes, when one suspects the keepers could not see the ball. Biwater were previously known as Clay Cross Works and used this name in the Central Midlands from 1988 to 1994. I believe the ground has been built over

1993 – Witney Town 1-2 Thame United (aet) (172). FA Cup, First Qualifying Round replay. My first visit to the Downs Road ground in Witney. I went again, for a Witney United game when I lived nearby

1996 – Reading Town 3-1 Walton Casuals (50). Combined Counties League. Slightly surprising that I did this on a Saturday. Makes me wonder if they had floodlights then

1999 – Hayes 2-3 Yeovil Town (747). Farewell to Church Lane, my 11th and final visit to the ground. Of my 11 visits, one was a semi-professional international, England 4-1 Italy which had several Cheltenham players, and a picture I had taken on the cover, (used without asking permission). Of ten Hayes games, Hayes had won five, drawn 3 (including one against Cheltenham) and this was just their second defeat. No less than four of the away teams, (Cheltenham, Wycombe, Yeovil and Hereford) subsequently played in the football league.

2003 – Double header on a Sunday in Belgium, thanks to a game at 18.00. Zwevegem Sport 3-0 Izegem (350), Division 4A, and De Pinte 1-0 Destelbergen (250), Oost Vlaanderen, Second Provincial. Good crowd for the second game

2006 – My first game in Bulgaria, at the start of a long weekend. This is the Thursday night game, and in the UEFA Cup. Lokomotiv Sofia 2-2 Feyenoord (4000). I had requested and been given press accreditation for this one, which was played not at Lokomotiv’s ground, but at CSKA’s Bulgarska Armia (Bulgarian Army) Stadium. However, seeing a crowd entering the Vassil Levski (National) stadium, I went to the gate there first. They were going to let me in as press, even though it was a pop concert! I made my exit and found the correct stadium around 200 metres away. Lokomotiv were two up in 28 minutes, before the Netherlands team came back to draw on the night, and indeed go through on away goals after a scoreless second leg. My other pictures from this are on the tweet of the dayView attachment 4470

2010 – Didcot Town 3-2 Cirencester Town (136). FA Cup, First Qualifying Round Replay. My fourth (of 5) visits to the Loop Meadow. I have been to the old ground far more frequently, since it is now Sainsburys’ Car Park.

2013 - Cheltenham Town 2-2 Oxford United (3906)

2018 – Longlevens 0-0 Tuffley Rovers (aet) (184). FA Vase, Second Qualifying Round. Friday night, all Gloucester derby in the FA Vase. Dull game though
View attachment 4471

2019 – USON Mondeville 0-3 AG Caen, (or Union Sportive Ouvrière Normande de Mondeville v Avant Garde Caennaise to give the full names) (500). Coupe de France, Third Round. Straight forward win for the National 3 side, playing away to Mondeville, only one division lower.

View attachment 4469
Hi

Just a quick question re the attendance of the MK City v lei
1981-2 was the first season I made a record of my games, and even then, I missed out the pre-season friendly, Woodford Town 1-1 Hillingdon Borough (at Snakes Lane). So, by the 14th September, I reached the 16th game for which I recorded the players’ names and goalscorers.

It was an FA Cup Preliminary Round, Second Replay, so played on a Monday night and bringing out a number of the London regulars. Egham Town and Marlow had played out 1-1 draws on each ground before this, and Egham had won the toss to stage the third tie.

In this, third game, Marlow started the stronger, and by 11 minutes gone, they were 2-0 up. Kotviks started the come-back with a 26th minute goal. When he scored his second, in the 43rd minute, it put Egham 4-2 ahead. Still time for another goal before the break and we went in at 4-3.

Only one goal in the second half, it appears we must have been spoiled in those first 45 minutes and the teams were now going to actually defend. The one goal was an equaliser, and at 4-4 one wonders how many times I have seen both teams come back from two goals down in the same game.

And then, at the start of extra time, Marlow collapsed and by the time they turned around they were 7-4 down. No further come-backs. In fact, no further goals. Egham lost at home to Maidenhead United in the next round, five days later.

1982 – Dorking 2-0 Eastbourne Town. My first visit to Meadowbank, and the only time in four visits that I saw Dorking play there. Twenty-six years since my last visit

1983 – Milton Keynes City 3-4 Leicester United (247). At Manor Fields, which is now the Irish Centre and still in use although both teams from this game are long gone. I paid a pound for this, 80p to get in, 20p for the programme. A good deal more, of course for the train ticket to get there. Leicester United came back from a goal down three times, and only ever led in the final seven minutes

1985 – Blackpool Mechanics 1-2 Lancaster City (32). North West Counties League, and a very poor attendance. It seemed the game was being continually buzzed by a light aircraft which was practising approaches to the runway, (unless it was a very poor pilot who kept missing).

1988 – Welwyn Garden United 3-2 Ashcroft. South Midlands League. Played at the Gosling Stadium.

1991 – APV Peterborough City 0-0 Alvechurch. According to Richard Rundle’s FCHD, this was the only season I could see APV Peterborough City. The year before they were known as Baker Perkins (and played elsewhere) while for 1992-3 they dropped the APV. They were demoted from the UCL Premier to Division One in 1992, and dropped out of the United Counties altogether in 1993. I am not sure if they folded at the same time. I had seen Baker Perkins play in Alma Road, at a ground now given over to housing, (Century Square). For 1991, they were playing at a ground I have referred to as South Bretton Playing Fields, but Alan Wiggins calls the Phorpres Sports Ground. [It is unlikely these are two different locations, as we both went in the same season]. The ground is now mainly a car park for Jewson. As for the game, I may have thought United Counties against Southern League was a good clash, but it was as dull as they come. Alvechurch were relegated at the end of the season, (due to on the field badness), and like Peterborough City they folded in 1993.

1992 – Biwater 2-3 Norton Woodseats. Central Midlands. A 6.15 kick off on September 14th. Surprised they managed to get 40 minutes each way in. Not surprised three of the goals were scored in the last ten minutes, when one suspects the keepers could not see the ball. Biwater were previously known as Clay Cross Works and used this name in the Central Midlands from 1988 to 1994. I believe the ground has been built over

1993 – Witney Town 1-2 Thame United (aet) (172). FA Cup, First Qualifying Round replay. My first visit to the Downs Road ground in Witney. I went again, for a Witney United game when I lived nearby

1996 – Reading Town 3-1 Walton Casuals (50). Combined Counties League. Slightly surprising that I did this on a Saturday. Makes me wonder if they had floodlights then

1999 – Hayes 2-3 Yeovil Town (747). Farewell to Church Lane, my 11th and final visit to the ground. Of my 11 visits, one was a semi-professional international, England 4-1 Italy which had several Cheltenham players, and a picture I had taken on the cover, (used without asking permission). Of ten Hayes games, Hayes had won five, drawn 3 (including one against Cheltenham) and this was just their second defeat. No less than four of the away teams, (Cheltenham, Wycombe, Yeovil and Hereford) subsequently played in the football league.

2003 – Double header on a Sunday in Belgium, thanks to a game at 18.00. Zwevegem Sport 3-0 Izegem (350), Division 4A, and De Pinte 1-0 Destelbergen (250), Oost Vlaanderen, Second Provincial. Good crowd for the second game

2006 – My first game in Bulgaria, at the start of a long weekend. This is the Thursday night game, and in the UEFA Cup. Lokomotiv Sofia 2-2 Feyenoord (4000). I had requested and been given press accreditation for this one, which was played not at Lokomotiv’s ground, but at CSKA’s Bulgarska Armia (Bulgarian Army) Stadium. However, seeing a crowd entering the Vassil Levski (National) stadium, I went to the gate there first. They were going to let me in as press, even though it was a pop concert! I made my exit and found the correct stadium around 200 metres away. Lokomotiv were two up in 28 minutes, before the Netherlands team came back to draw on the night, and indeed go through on away goals after a scoreless second leg. My other pictures from this are on the tweet of the dayView attachment 4470

2010 – Didcot Town 3-2 Cirencester Town (136). FA Cup, First Qualifying Round Replay. My fourth (of 5) visits to the Loop Meadow. I have been to the old ground far more frequently, since it is now Sainsburys’ Car Park.

2013 - Cheltenham Town 2-2 Oxford United (3906)

2018 – Longlevens 0-0 Tuffley Rovers (aet) (184). FA Vase, Second Qualifying Round. Friday night, all Gloucester derby in the FA Vase. Dull game though
View attachment 4471

2019 – USON Mondeville 0-3 AG Caen, (or Union Sportive Ouvrière Normande de Mondeville v Avant Garde Caennaise to give the full names) (500). Coupe de France, Third Round. Straight forward win for the National 3 side, playing away to Mondeville, only one division lower.

View attachment 4469
Hi

Just a quick question re the attendance of MK City v Leicester United sept 14th 1983, You have this listed as 247, do you know if this was an official or head count. ? The reason I ask is I have been getting together over the last couple of years all the MK City results / scorers / attendances [ where known ] from their southern league years up to 84/85 and although I only have a handfull of attendances for this season the previous match vs Camb City in the FA Trophy had 67 in attendance and the following league match vs willenhall had 119, the 247 stood out as unusually high and as I havent an attendance listed for this match it took my interest. Any extra info you have is much appreciated.
martin
 

leohoenig

Forum Admin
Staff member
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
2,744
Team{s}
Cheltenham Town
Hi

Just a quick question re the attendance of the MK City v lei

Hi

Just a quick question re the attendance of MK City v Leicester United sept 14th 1983, You have this listed as 247, do you know if this was an official or head count. ? The reason I ask is I have been getting together over the last couple of years all the MK City results / scorers / attendances [ where known ] from their southern league years up to 84/85 and although I only have a handfull of attendances for this season the previous match vs Camb City in the FA Trophy had 67 in attendance and the following league match vs willenhall had 119, the 247 stood out as unusually high and as I havent an attendance listed for this match it took my interest. Any extra info you have is much appreciated.
martin

Sorry, I cannot remember where the number comes from.
It is more likely to be official than a headcount, but it could then have been transcribed wrongly, so I cannot guarantee its accuracy
 

Oxpete

First Team Hopeful
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
1,675
Team{s}
Pompey
Here's four...

Tuesday 14th September 1982~
League Cup 1st Round 2nd Leg
Portsmouth 1-1 Crystal Palace
(Crystal Palace win 3-1 on aggregate)


...Pompey's goal coming from Alan Biley, one of the 26 goals he's score that season in fifty appearances in all competitions.

Saturday 14th September 1985~
Division Two
Portsmouth 3-0 Stoke City


...a win that put Pompey top of the table with a five point lead.

Saturday 14th September 1996~
FA Cup 1st Qualifying Round
Havant Town 0-3 Bashley

Tuesdat 14th September 2010~
Hellenic Premier
Kidlington 1-2 Old Woodstock Town


1600713451610.png
 

Bagman

Reserve Team Regular
Joined
Dec 8, 2019
Messages
1,032
Saturday 14th September 2013

The Skrill Premier

Barnet 1 v 1 Lincoln City

Admission £21/ £13 OAP Programme £3 Att 1913
 

bluearmybob

Youth Team Star
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
451
Team{s}
Ipswich Town since 11th April 1966.
Groundhopping since 1st January 1983.
1968. IPSWICH TOWN (0) v LIVERPOOL (2) Division1. Att 25,514.
1985. IPSWICH TOWN (0) v BIRMINGHAM CITY (1) Division 1. Att 11,616.
1991. BARNET (1) v DONCASTER ROVERS (0) Division 4. Att 3,762.
1996. ROCHDALE AFC (2) v DONCASTER ROVERS (1) Division 3. Att 1,811.
2010. IPSWICH TOWN (0) v QUEENS PARK RANGERS (3) Championship. Att 19,931
2013. IPSWICH TOWN (3) v MIDDLESBROUGH (1) Championship. Att 15,276.
2019. IPSWICH TOWN (0) v DONCASTER ROVERS (0) League 1. Att 18,928.
 
Last edited:

prorege

First Team Starter
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
2,118
Team{s}
Fife clubs
1974, Saturday

I am fairly sure that this was my first ever “double” of watching two proper games on the same day. My Dad wasn’t keen enough to entertain such an idea but I had a pal whose father was football daft.

Scottish League Division One (3pm)
Arbroath v Clyde, 2-0, H.T. 1-0, Att 1596
At Gayfield Park

Lichties: Gordon Marshall, Jim Milne, Derek Rylance, Tom Cargill, Joe Carson, Cammy Murray, Eric Sellars, John Mitchell, Brian Reid, Andy Penman and John Fletcher. Subs Allan McKenzie and Jim McIlravey
Bully Wee: Evan Williams, Jim Burns, John Burns, Brian Ahern, Willie McVie, Alan Swan, Dom Sullivan, Sam Millar, Bobby Ferris, Alex Pringle, Gerry Marshall. Subs Peter Boyle and John McHugh
Ref: CH Hutton (Dunfermline)

1974/5 was the last season of the 18 team top flight. Clubs were fighting for ten place sin the new Premier Division which would start in 1975/6. Realistically these were two of the least likely clubs to qualify and both had started their League season with back to back defeats.

Gayfield then was as Gayfield is now. Neat little grandstand, covered terraces at both ends and a cover down the North Sea side. The combined effects of wind, salt and spume mean that the cladding on these has been replaced several times but the actual structures are virtually unchanged.

Arbroath fielded some real stalwarts. Milne, Rylance, Cargill, Sellars and Fletcher were fixtures in their side for the best part of ten years. Ex Rangers Andy Penman provided the ball-playing class in midfield. Clyde also had some great servants – Jim Burns, Ahern, McVie, Sullivan and McHugh gave many years to the Shawfield side. Both teams had vastly experienced goalkeepers – Gordon Marshall (ex Newcastle, Hearts, Hibs etc) for Arbroath and former European Cup Finalist Evan Williams (ex Celtic) for Clyde.

It was John Fletcher who gave Arbroath the lead just before half time – his mop of fair hair rising to head in a Penman free kick. Joe Carson got the other goal in the second half – also a header from a Penman assist.

Neither team qualified for the Premier Division.

Additional to the football entertainment was provided by the Leuchars Air Show, taking place across the Firth of Tay. The sea off Arbroath seemed to be the assembly point for planes making their fly-past runs. I recall being moderately enthused by the Vulcan Bombers and Nimrod as well as a more leisurely Shackleton.

The air show and the huge crowds that it drew, as well as using up police resources in traffic management, was the reason for the late kick off at:

Scottish League Division One (6.30 ko)
Dundee United v Dundee, 3-0, H.T. 1-0, Att 10,857
At Tannadice Park

Arabs: Hamish McAlpine, Davie Narey, Andy Rolland, Doug Smith, Frank Kopel, Jackie Copland, Ian McDonald, George Fleming, Pat Gardner, Andy Gray and Alan Munro. Subs Doug Houston and Graeme Payne
Coagies: Thomson Allan, Bobby Wilson, Tommy Gemmell, Alec Caldwell, George Stewart, Iain Philip, Jimmy Wilson, Bobby Robinson, Bobby Hutchison, Jocky Scott, Ian Scott. Subs Duncan Lambie and Derek Laing
Ref: W Mullan (Dalkeith)

This was a comprehensive victory for the home side over a disappointing Dundee team. The opening goal came just before half time through debutant Alan Munro – he played just two first team games for United and this was his only goal. Munro was a former St Mirren and Clydebank journeyman and a strange signing for United at the time.

The second half goals were both scored by a more familiar name – Andy Gray. The 18 year old striker was really coming to the fore at that time and attracting attention from top sides south of the border.

I remember we were in the main stand for this game – possibly the first time I sat up there.

Both Dundee clubs ultimately qualified for the Premier Division for 1975/6.

Sep 14 1974 1.jpgSep 14 1974 2.jpg


John Fletcher arbroath.jpgAndy Gray.jpg
 

leohoenig

Forum Admin
Staff member
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
2,744
Team{s}
Cheltenham Town
Andy Gray had his hair cut before he arrived in Cheltenham
 

Hoddy1.

First Team Regular
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
2,869
Team{s}
Crewe Alexandra.
England.
Was his appetite good when he was playing ?

As a leg end -
5_JS188941756.jpg
 

leohoenig

Forum Admin
Staff member
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
2,744
Team{s}
Cheltenham Town
He might have had a little less weight on him then, but he still does not compare to you and me.
He was not immune to a beer though - I know I spoke to him over a pint at least once
 

Hoddy1.

First Team Regular
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
2,869
Team{s}
Crewe Alexandra.
England.
RETRO Part 2. ( All new material ).
R2ab41ef94c66ee4e16f7575ec9000209.jpg

1971.


Tuesday @ 19-30.
Texaco Cup Round 1 (1st leg ).
Huddersfield Town 1 v 0 Morton.

@ Leeds Road,
5,769.
1491971-Huddersfield-Town-v-Morton-Texaco-Cup-1st.jpg


Huddersfield - Dave Lawson , Dennis Clarke , Geoff Hutt , Jimmy McGill , Roy Ellam , Trevor Cherry , Bobby Hoy (1) , Mike Barry , Frank Worthington , Jimmy Lawson , Les Chapman.
Manager - Ian Greaves.

Morton - Erik Sorensen , Davie Hayes , Billy McDermott , John Clark , George Anderson , Dennis Laughton , Jimmy Lumsden , Joe Mason , Billy Osborne , John Murphy , Steve Chalmers.
Manager - Hal Stewart.

Referee - Vincent James ( York ).

The 'Doc' , current Scotland manager would have left Leeds Road disappointed , the only player of note in the Morton side was a Dane.
Sorensen kept the score down on the night.

Jimmy Lawson had the ball in the net twice in the first half for the 'Terriers' but both were correctly ruled out for offside. I'll just check both decisions with Leeds Phil.

A couple of minutes into the second half and winger Bobby Hoy robbed John Clark and ran through on goal , Sorensen narrowed the angle but he could only get a hand to Hoys 20 yarder and the ball then spun into the net to open the scoring.

That was that and it was back to the mediocrity on view.
Morton as time wore on got a bit more adventurous and Billy Osborne had a couple of opportunities.

The scoreline set up a decent 2nd leg on the Monday the 27th , despite programme on the night saying Wedneday the 29th !
It finished 2-1 for Huddersfield on the night with 2 goals from Frank Worthington. after 25 & 55. Steve Chalmers scored one near the end and it finished a 3-1 Agg win for Huddersfield.
It even brought out a decent crowd for a Monday night , 12,000.
Just the one change from the first leg with Steve Smith replacing Mike Barry for Morton.

Huddersfield who were having a poor season in the top tier which eventually saw them relegated along with Notts Forest.
They can't complain about this Cup taking up too much time and energy as they were knocked out by Airdrie 7-2 on Agg in Round 2 . Airdrie went on to reach the Final losing to Derby , the Derby leg covered here - https://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forums/index.php?threads/april-26th.1394/page-3#post-87528
24 x games , 3 x 0-0's , beware_idiots.jpg 9 x foreign.

Some other games visited on this date ( Top tier + Internationals + oddities ).

2006 AZ'67 3 v 2 Kayserispor.

-----------------------------1938------Graf Zeppelin II first fight---------------------------------------
 

Latest posts

Top
  AdBlock Detected

NLM relies on advertising to pay the bills to stay online . Could I ask that you disable your AdBlocker for this site. Alternatively if you are a registered user you can remove all ads and get other benefits for as little as £1.50 a month. Just go to your Profile and click on Account Upgrades. Most visitors will see this message only once per visit...... Thanks