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broodleyhoo
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I was trying to cut to the chase as it were. That's why I prefaced my comment with 'In England.

But sure, in Wales you've PC to go for and in Scotland is an entirely different situation with the SNP who have shown their capabilities (or otherwise depending on your view) in Scottish govt these last 8 years and in NI - well that's different again.

But all serious students of UK politics know all that , so I took it as read.

But in this 'United Kingdom' (hah) realistically it is English MPS that make up around 80% of those elected. And sure, there's the LDs, Greens, Brexit folk and regional people like Mebyon Kernow - but the huge likelihood is that either the Labour party or the Tory party will gain most seats and thus have first dibs at forming a govt.

Thus - in my estimation, unless you're in a special situation like Dominic Grieve's constituency - as I say, the realistic choice is simple.

Like the last 9 years? - vote for the party that will give you more of it.

Hate the last 9 years? - vote for the party that's most likely to return an MP that'll ensure change will happen. And in most English seats, that's Labour.


broodleyhoo
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Which is not to say we don't need a new voting system and all that - but that's not going to happen in the next 11 days.

And it's 'tu quoque' not 'to quoque'. Bloomin' autocorrect


Yatesman
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I wonder how Boris Johnson became such an appalling human being.

https://twitter.com/.../1200810650173353984


I agree it sounds terrible but when yu realise that he is Turkish by birth and ethnicity I guess it contextualises his mutterings a wee bit. Mustafa being a common Turkish forename.

You DID know he is Turkish, right??

OMG......No, You Didn't....LOL!


jon b
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No, he isn't. Cool

He's British, born in Penzance. Stanley's father was also British, born in Bournemouth.

Alexander Boris Johnson's ancestors came from a variety of places, including some from Turkey and some from Germany. Instead of Mustafa, Stanley could have suggested changing his name to Herman.

There was an interesting episode of "Who do you think you are?" about Alexander/Boris' family. One story told how an ancestor, a prominent Turkish politician, was brutally murdered in broad daylight as he walked home from a meeting with political opponents. The assassin even stole the suit off the body of his victim.

Alexander/Boris at least shouldn't suffer quite such a horrifically undignified end when he falls from power.

Mind you, Rees-Mogg is a keen upholder of traditions.....

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jon b
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Boris Johnson was told about the risks of freeing terrorists but told the lawyer for the London Bridge killer that there was no money available to deradicalise him.

He clearly hadn’t yet found the magic election money tree.
https://www.independent.co.uk/...rorist-a9227681.html

It was the Snowflake Laws brought in by the last Labour administration that allowed the scumbag to be walking our streets.....Own it!


It's depressing that the parties have turned the sad murders of two admirable young individuals into a silly Punch and Judy point scoring political blame game.

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chrish2014
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Dec 2, 2019, 12:44 PM

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If you had any moral compass at all would you vote for this person?

Women - 'pat them on the bottom'
Muslims - 'bankrobbers'
Black people - 'picaninnies'
Gay people - 'bumboys'
Working class men - 'feckless, criminal'
Single mothers - 'irresponsible'
Hillsborough families - 'wallowing in self-pity'
Business - "f. business"
Families of 7/7 victims - "F. the families’
Facilitating the assault of a journalist
Doesn't know have many children he has fathered
Too cowardly to face Andrew Neil


Your man Corbyn has sided with Terrorists. trumps all what johnson has said/written

So calm down


(This post was edited by chrish2014 on Dec 2, 2019, 12:44 PM)


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I think we can see why BoJo wanted to face Marr. That guy thinks shouting over his guests suggests he’s putting them under pressure. Boris remained cool and calm throughout and made Marr look like an idiot.


The problem with the interview was that Johnson doesn't understand the purpose of an interview is to answer the questions which are posed.

You are mistaken. The purpose of an interview is not to answer the questions posed but to promote your own interests, whether your interviewer is a political journalist, a potential employer or a detective.


PaulC
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If you had any moral compass at all would you vote for this person?

Women - 'pat them on the bottom'
Muslims - 'bankrobbers'
Black people - 'picaninnies'
Gay people - 'bumboys'
Working class men - 'feckless, criminal'
Single mothers - 'irresponsible'
Hillsborough families - 'wallowing in self-pity'
Business - "f. business"
Families of 7/7 victims - "F. the families’
Facilitating the assault of a journalist
Doesn't know have many children he has fathered
Too cowardly to face Andrew Neil


Your man Corbyn has sided with Terrorists. trumps all what johnson has said/written

So calm down


Which of Johnson's personality traits most attracts you to him, Chris:

Racism
Islamophobia
Homophobia
Sexism
Cowardice
Elitism
Mendacity
Incompetence
Laziness?


jon b
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You are mistaken. The purpose of an interview is not to answer the questions posed but to promote your own interests, whether your interviewer is a political journalist, a potential employer or a detective.


No. Cool

If you try that you just look shifty and scared to answer the question posed.

There are politicians who will answer the question and have the knowledge and thought through position that enables them to tell you hard truths and the justification for what they've done and for what they intend to do.

I"ve sat on interview panels and listened to eloquent con artists dodging round questions. You learn to spot them and avoid them.

Johnson is a mini Trump. You can't believe a word he says. Ask the DUP.

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PaulC
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Conservatives 42% (+1)
Labour 35% (+1)
LibDem 13% (-)
Brexit Party 3% (-1)

ICM Nov 29-Dec 2

Tories lead down 10 points since mid-Nov.


Towlawtom
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What the father of one of the London bridge victims thinks of the Daily Fail and Daily Excess

https://twitter.com/butwhatifitsall/status/1201288614329692161?s=19



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


Yatesman
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What the father of one of the London bridge victims thinks of the Daily Fail and Daily Excess

I thought the idea was not to politicise the deaths.

Looks like that's gone out the window.

Amazing the father thinks not wanting convicted Jihadis walking around butchering people equates to hatred and division..

Someone will have to explain that to me. It seems, on the surface, that his ideas for keeping the streets safe are failing.......but please explain !


Yatesman
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Dec 2, 2019, 4:22 PM

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If you had any moral compass at all would you vote for this person?

Women - 'pat them on the bottom'
Muslims - 'bankrobbers'
Black people - 'picaninnies'
Gay people - 'bumboys'
Working class men - 'feckless, criminal'
Single mothers - 'irresponsible'
Hillsborough families - 'wallowing in self-pity'
Business - "f. business"
Families of 7/7 victims - "F. the families’
Facilitating the assault of a journalist
Doesn't know have many children he has fathered
Too cowardly to face Andrew Neil


Your man Corbyn has sided with Terrorists. trumps all what johnson has said/written

So calm down


Which of Johnson's personality traits most attracts you to him, Chris:

Racism
Islamophobia
Homophobia
Sexism
Cowardice
Elitism
Mendacity
Incompetence
Laziness?


Sounds like the Labour front bench....... except you forgot Numerically Challenged .


PaulC
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Sounds like the Labour front bench....... except you forgot Numerically Challenged .


This from the supporter of a party whose 40 new hospitals turns out to be 6 and 20,000 new police means fewer than they started with and 50k new nurses means 31k.


Yatesman
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Sounds like the Labour front bench....... except you forgot Numerically Challenged .


This from the supporter of a party whose 40 new hospitals turns out to be 6 and 20,000 new police means fewer than they started with and 50k new nurses means 31k.


I don't recall The Green Paty mentioning any of that but...

I'm happy with 6 new hospitals, 31,000 new nurses and bring Police numbers up to historically high levels.

Sounds affordable!


007Dale
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Dec 2, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Conservatives 42% (+1)
Labour 35% (+1)
LibDem 13% (-)
Brexit Party 3% (-1)

ICM Nov 29-Dec 2

Tories lead down 10 points since mid-Nov.


ICM hasn’t had a lead above 10%, so not sure how dropping to 7% is down 10.

This is of course flat on the previous poll.

Survation is at 9% lead (down 2%).

Electoral Calculus has taken the lead back up to 34 seats.

Most polls in the 7-12% range. The Lower end of that range would be very tight, indeed, for a majority.

No poll (has yet) given Labour a majority, or even a lead, so we may be safe from the worst of the economic devastation they’d cause unfettered.


leohoenig
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Actually, an increase of 20,000 still falls short of the decrease since the Conservatives came to power at the 2010 election
https://fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/

The increased number of nurses would not equal the decrease since the 2016 referendum



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Chris1963
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born in Penzance.


If asked, Boris should not describe himself as English, or the good folk of Kernow will be yet another addition to the very long list of people he has offended.


Yatesman
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born in Penzance.


If asked, Boris should not describe himself as English, or the good folk of Kernow will be yet another addition to the very long list of people he has offended.


Being Offended is the currency of the realm in 2019 so it's only fair if Kernow shares in the nation's wealth of affrontery!


jon b
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What the father of one of the London bridge victims thinks of the Daily Fail and Daily Excess


I thought the idea was not to politicise the deaths.

Looks like that's gone out the window.

Amazing the father thinks not wanting convicted Jihadis walking around butchering people equates to hatred and division..

Someone will have to explain that to me. It seems, on the surface, that his ideas for keeping the streets safe are failing.......but please explain !


For goodness sake Yatesman try to put yourself in his place.

He's not politicising, he's grieving and screaming out in pain. How would you feel if your son was brutally murdered when a long bright future lay in front of him and his aim was to help others? Including the nutter who stuck a knife in him.

To have politicians of various parties immediately try to use this vile murder to further their GE campaigns is obscene. No wonder he's lashing out. I would too. Wouldn't you?

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Chris1963
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I hate the Mail and Express too but something has to be done about all these stabbings in London by terrorists. You are fortunate to live in Sheffield but for people like me, London is a scary place to live in where you have to watch your back all the time.

Can you suggest a practical solution to prevent any more attacks? Pulling UK troops out of all Muslim countries (as Corbyn may well do if he becomes PM) might work, but what if it doesn't?


Yatesman
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What the father of one of the London bridge victims thinks of the Daily Fail and Daily Excess


I thought the idea was not to politicise the deaths.

Looks like that's gone out the window.

Amazing the father thinks not wanting convicted Jihadis walking around butchering people equates to hatred and division..

Someone will have to explain that to me. It seems, on the surface, that his ideas for keeping the streets safe are failing.......but please explain !


For goodness sake Yatesman try to put yourself in his place.

He's not politicising, he's grieving and screaming out in pain. How would you feel if your son was brutally murdered when a long bright future lay in front of him and his aim was to help others? Including the nutter who stuck a knife in him.

To have politicians of various parties immediately try to use this vile murder to further their GE campaigns is obscene. No wonder he's lashing out. I would too. Wouldn't you?

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As the man almost certainly doesn't read this forum then I feel perfectly entitled to discuss the issue from a detached and non emotive position.

That said, I can put myself in his place as I have adult children and I can remove myself from his place when thinking about the underlying issue.

However, like a lot of the rich and privileged doing some 'Good Works' for society and taking a liberal , moral high ground approach to politics is a salve to their conscience for having such a large slice of society's pie.

Doesn't mean everything they say, think or do is right , best or not open to scrutiny does it ?


PaulC
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I hate the Mail and Express too but something has to be done about all these stabbings in London by terrorists.


Stabbings in London not by terrorists - around 150.

Cut to police by Tories - swingeing.


007Dale
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Conservatives 42% (+1)
Labour 35% (+1)
LibDem 13% (-)
Brexit Party 3% (-1)

ICM Nov 29-Dec 2

Tories lead down 10 points since mid-Nov.


ICM hasn’t had a lead above 10%, so not sure how dropping to 7% is down 10.

This is of course flat on the previous poll.

Survation is at 9% lead (down 2%).

Electoral Calculus has taken the lead back up to 34 seats.

Most polls in the 7-12% range. The Lower end of that range would be very tight, indeed, for a majority.

No poll (has yet) given Labour a majority, or even a lead, so we may be safe from the worst of the economic devastation they’d cause unfettered.


Kantar has the Tory majority at 12% - up 1%.

Meanwhile, a missing persons report has been filed for Diane Abbott. Rumours she’s been locked away by Momentum until 13th December have been denied by the communist group.


leohoenig
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Meanwhile, a missing persons report has been filed for Diane Abbott. Rumours she’s been locked away by Momentum until 13th December have been denied by the communist group.


She's being kept in the next cell to Jacob Rees-Mogg. Appaently this is a twinning arrangement between the major parties to keep their second most embarassing spokepersons out of the limelight. Unfortunately, they could not arrange similar for Corbyn and Johnson, (although one of these may at least have avoided some interviews and debates)



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