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Mr. T
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David Duckenfield to face trial:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-44656778


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The CPS drops all charges against Norman Bettison:

https://www.theguardian.com/...icer-norman-bettison


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Second trial – not guilty:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50592077


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It was actually the third trial (the first was a private prosecution) but I'm pleased that Duckenfield has been acquitted, as I agree with the defence case that he was being made a scapegoat.

The blame for the deaths should lie with the FA because of their shameful decision to play the semi-final at a ground where a similar disaster had nearly occurred in 1981. However, bad judgement is not a criminal offence in itself, and this was why the FA did not face charges.


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An account of previous incidents here:


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Hillsborough hosted five FA Cup semi-finals in the 1980s. A crush occurred at the Leppings Lane end of the ground during the 1981 semi-final between Tottenham Hotspur and Wolverhampton Wanderers after hundreds more spectators were permitted to enter the terrace than could safely be accommodated, resulting in 38 injuries, including broken arms, legs and ribs.[19] Police believed there had been a real chance of fatalities had swift action not been taken, and recommended the club reduce its capacity. In a post-match briefing to discuss the incident, Sheffield Wednesday chairman Bert McGee remarked: "Bollocks—no one would have been killed".[20][21] The incident nonetheless prompted Sheffield Wednesday to alter the layout at the Leppings Lane end, dividing the terrace into three separate pens to restrict sideways movement.[9] This 1981 change and other later changes to the stadium invalidated the stadium's safety certificate. The safety certificate was never renewed and the stated capacity of the stadium was never changed.[9][22] The terrace was divided into five pens when the club was promoted to the First Division in 1984, and a crush barrier near the access tunnel was removed in 1986 to improve the flow of fans entering and exiting the central enclosure.

After the crush in 1981, Hillsborough was not chosen to host an FA Cup semi-final for six years until 1987.[9] Serious overcrowding was observed at the 1987 quarter-final between Sheffield Wednesday and Coventry City[23] and again during the semi-final between Coventry City and Leeds United at Hillsborough.[24] Leeds were assigned the Leppings Lane end. A Leeds fan described disorganisation at the turnstiles and no steward or police direction inside the stadium, resulting in the crowd in one enclosure becoming so compressed he was at times unable to raise and clap his hands.[24] Other accounts told of fans having to be pulled to safety from above.[9]

Liverpool and Nottingham Forest met in the semi-final at Hillsborough in 1988, and fans reported crushing at the Leppings Lane end. Liverpool lodged a complaint before the match in 1989. One supporter wrote to the Football Association and Minister for Sport complaining, "The whole area was packed solid to the point where it was impossible to move and where I, and others around me, felt considerable concern for personal safety".[25]




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96 people were unlawfully killed and surely the buck stops with David Dukenfield?


rainjar
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96 people were unlawfully killed and surely the buck stops with David Dukenfield?

A jury disagreed with you.



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Chris1963
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96 people were unlawfully killed and surely the buck stops with David Dukenfield?


Haven't you read rainjar's earlier post? It's a pretty damming indictment of the FA's cavalier disregard for safety. The FA could have used a bigger and safer venue like Old Trafford, yet they chose to keep using Hillsborough.


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Duckenfield froze and failed. He should have immediately admitted what went wrong and his role in it. However, his Chief Constable was never going to allow Duckenfield or anyone else in SY Police to admit they'd catastrophically messed up.

But the reasons for the disaster aren't down to one man's mistakes on the day. They were varied and had arisen over years.

The blame falls on poor planning and oversight by SWFC, South Yorks Police and the FA together with the 1970s/1980s problem of violent football hooliganism that had led to the installation of the fencing that prevented easy exit in emergency from dangerously packed terraces. The latter problem also meant that police were anticipating any major problem would relate to crowd violence rather than crowd safety.

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Duckenfield froze and failed. He should have immediately admitted what went wrong and his role in it. However, his Chief Constable was never going to allow Duckenfield or anyone else in SY Police to admit they'd catastrophically messed up.

But the reasons for the disaster aren't down to one man's mistakes on the day. They were varied and had arisen over years.

The blame falls on poor planning and oversight by SWFC, South Yorks Police and the FA together with the 1970s/1980s problem of violent football hooliganism that had led to the installation of the fencing that prevented easy exit in emergency from dangerously packed terraces. The latter problem also meant that police were anticipating any major problem would relate to crowd violence rather than crowd safety.

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Agreed. This disaster was not the fault of any one person but a multitude of organisations. A corporate manslaughter charge would have been more appropriate.


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Duckenfield froze and failed. He should have immediately admitted what went wrong and his role in it. However, his Chief Constable was never going to allow Duckenfield or anyone else in SY Police to admit they'd catastrophically messed up.

But the reasons for the disaster aren't down to one man's mistakes on the day. They were varied and had arisen over years.

The blame falls on poor planning and oversight by SWFC, South Yorks Police and the FA together with the 1970s/1980s problem of violent football hooliganism that had led to the installation of the fencing that prevented easy exit in emergency from dangerously packed terraces. The latter problem also meant that police were anticipating any major problem would relate to crowd violence rather than crowd safety.

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Agreed. This disaster was not the fault of any one person but a multitude of organisations. A corporate manslaughter charge would have been more appropriate.


I am surprised a corporate manslaughter charge was not brought, albeit I am far from informed on the finer details of the case.
In response to an earlier post, although the inquest ruled those who perished were killed unlawfully, the inquest did not state David Duckenfield killed them.
The facts are, in the aftermath of the inquest, the CPS decided they considered there was a reasonable prospect of a conviction against him, hence the decision to charge him accordingly. When one considers that Duckenfield has now faced 3 juries, all of whom failed to convict him, it does make me wonder how strong was the case against him. The CPS are normally reticent to bring charges unless they are fairly certain they will get a result.


(This post was edited by Bigaitch on Dec 2, 2019, 4:26 PM)

 
 


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