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PaulC
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Austerity, as a direct result of the incompetence of the last Labour Government, is the main reason for NHS funding being curbed.

What was it the outgoing Government said in 2010 “sorry there’s no money left.” We’ll go figure, it has an impact on health, education, policing.

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Oh dear, the tired old Tory trope.

2008-10 was a consequence of the global financial meltdown.

Even Osborne accepts Labour was not responsible for the financial troubles.

https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/920028051911663616?s=20

I see you are another one to fall for the standing joke amongst outgoing Chancellors.

"Sorry old cock, to leave it in this shape," Reggie Maudling, Tory Chancellor.

If you actually took the trouble to find out for yourself, rather than simply regurgitate uncritically Tory/Daily Mail nonsense you would see this lost decade was almost totally of the Tories making. What an achievement to condemn the UK to a decade of stagnation yet run up a debt of nearly £1 trillion.

You wouldn’t trust the Tories to run a whelk store.


jon b
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The Conservatives pretending that they've have avoided the worldwide financial crash is farcical given that they were pushing for reduced regulation of the UK financial sector right up to the time that the sky fell in.

Of course, the Tories like the rest of us, hadn't realised that the high flying massive profit generating bankers weren't wise boys but wide boys who in reality weren't very good at the basics of responsible banking.

Not so much Mr Mainwarings but Walker spivs.

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buncranaboy
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Nov 15, 2019, 12:13 AM

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the Labour manifesto to see where all this money is coming from to nationalise everything and increase spending in all Government departments.


One way in which Labour could pay for all this stuff would be to pull British troops out of all Muslim countries (and possibly the Falklands as well) which would save billions. I don't know if they are actually considering this and if they are, they are certainly doing well at keeping it under wraps.


Why Muslim countries ?


Chris1963
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Nov 15, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Simple really - because Labour will be relying on the Muslim vote at the forthcoming election.


Ronsdog
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Nov 15, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Simple really - because Labour will be relying on the Muslim vote at the forthcoming election.


.....just for the record. https://www.mend.org.uk/...-voting-patterns.pdf


007Dale
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Nov 15, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Latest fantasy politics from Labour:
- trash the Telecoms sector by nationalising Openreach and giving everyone free fibre.

Consequences:
- national debt increases yet further
- pension funds collapse, where heavily invested in BT and other telco’s
- no competition = worse service
- Sky, Virgin, Talk Talk, Rest of BT (part not nationalised), etc collapse as product they sell now given away by Government. Hundreds of thousands unemployed as a result.
- Digital tax (to pay for run costs) not implementable.

I just can’t fathom how Labour think they should be put in charge of the economy again. Madness. Utter Madness.


jon b
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Nov 15, 2019, 7:21 AM

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Almost as mad as pouring billions down the drain through Brexit.

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007Dale
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Nov 15, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Almost as mad as pouring billions down the drain through Brexit.

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Why stop at Broadband? Let’s nationalise the Supermarkets and give everyone free food.


Yatesman
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Nov 15, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Austerity, as a direct result of the incompetence of the last Labour Government, is the main reason for NHS funding being curbed.

What was it the outgoing Government said in 2010 “sorry there’s no money left.” We’ll go figure, it has an impact on health, education, policing.

..


Oh dear, the tired old Tory trope.

2008-10 was a consequence of the global financial meltdown.

Even Osborne accepts Labour was not responsible for the financial troubles.

https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/920028051911663616?s=20

I see you are another one to fall for the standing joke amongst outgoing Chancellors.

"Sorry old cock, to leave it in this shape," Reggie Maudling, Tory Chancellor.

If you actually took the trouble to find out for yourself, rather than simply regurgitate uncritically Tory/Daily Mail nonsense you would see this lost decade was almost totally of the Tories making. What an achievement to condemn the UK to a decade of stagnation yet run up a debt of nearly £1 trillion.

You wouldn’t trust the Tories to run a whelk store.



So you are saying Labour abjectly failed to regulate the Financial Sector as it shoud have and failed to build up a Bank Bail Out fund and failed to level out the boom/bust nature of the housing market?

They also failed to invest enough in the economy and infrastructure during the good times .

Glad we cleared that up!

Apart from that, Yes, a lot of the nature of the 2008 crash was outside the Labour Govt's control and in the Eurozone the amount of debt being run up by Greece , especially but also Spain, Italy and Portugal became a massive burden for the EU.

The crash of 2008 - 2013 then hit business and consumer confidence/spending and the Gov't was probably right to adopt a cautious economic policy.
It's as well we weren't a member of the Eurozone or it would have been worse.


Yatesman
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Nov 15, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Almost as mad as pouring billions down the drain through Brexit.

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Why stop at Broadband? Let’s nationalise the Supermarkets and give everyone free food.


Tbh I agree with free Broadband because you can't do anything these days without having to be online.

Therefore businesses and Gov't should pay for it.


007Dale
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Nov 15, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Almost as mad as pouring billions down the drain through Brexit.

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Why stop at Broadband? Let’s nationalise the Supermarkets and give everyone free food.


Tbh I agree with free Broadband because you can't do anything these days without having to be online.

Therefore businesses and Gov't should pay for it.


But you can’t use broadband without electricity, so are you saying we should all have free electricity as well?


jon b
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Nov 15, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Latest fantasy politics from Labour


It is amazing what strange fantasies some politicians can conjure up.

There was one halfwit who wasted millions on the idea of a "garden bridge" across the Thames. Then he proposed building an airport in the Thames estuary, followed by a bridge across the English Channel - the busiest shipping area in the world - and he then trumped that insanity by wanting to build bridge across the Irish Sea over a massive WW2 arms dump.

I wonder what happened to that fantasist? Did he lie down in front of bulldozers at Heathrow or die in a ditch somewhere?

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PaulC
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Nov 15, 2019, 8:10 AM

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Simple really - because Labour will be relying on the Muslim vote at the forthcoming election.


Is that because of the rampant islamophobia within the Tory party?


jon b
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Nov 15, 2019, 8:22 AM

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So you are saying Labour abjectly failed to regulate the Financial Sector as it shoud have and failed to build up a Bank Bail Out fund and failed to level out the boom/bust nature of the housing market?

They also failed to invest enough in the economy and infrastructure during the good times .

Glad we cleared that up!

Apart from that, Yes, a lot of the nature of the 2008 crash was outside the Labour Govt's control and in the Eurozone the amount of debt being run up by Greece , especially but also Spain, Italy and Portugal became a massive burden for the EU.

The crash of 2008 - 2013 then hit business and consumer confidence/spending and the Gov't was probably right to adopt a cautious economic policy.
It's as well we weren't a member of the Eurozone or it would have been worse.


You think that the Tories would have more tightly regulated the Financial Sector?! Cool At the time they were pushing for much less regulation not more.

And the idea that they would have invested more....... Cool

As for not being in the Eurozone, for that alone Gordon Brown deserves a medal, statue etc etc

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kirby knitters
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Nov 15, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Simple really - because Labour will be relying on the Muslim vote at the forthcoming election.


Is that because of the rampant islamophobia within the Tory party?

No mention of the rampant antisemitism which has been giving Labour heaps of grief over the last few years!


Towlawtom
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Nov 15, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Unbelievable, Matt Hancock has recently said ‘in many ways the nhs is performing better than it ever has.’

Staggering, that it was confirmed A&E performance is at its worst & more patients are languishing on trolleys.

CONservatives utterly clueless about pain & misery their health cuts caused.



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


Towlawtom
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Nov 15, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Why are the CONservatives launching a migrant-bashing campaign ? Because they want to distract you from the catastrophic NHS story.

It's the oldest political trick in the book: the powerful scapegoating migrants to deflect from the problems caused by elites.

It was immigrants who imposed austerity.
Immigrants cut police numbers by 21,000.
Immigrants imposed the brutal bedroom tax and benefit sanctions.
Immigrants starved schools & hospitals of funds.
Immigrants slashed social care.

Remember: immigrants did all this, not the CONservatives



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !

(This post was edited by Towlawtom on Nov 15, 2019, 11:38 AM)


Ronsdog
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Nov 15, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Simple really - because Labour will be relying on the Muslim vote at the forthcoming election.


Is that because of the rampant islamophobia within the Tory party?

No mention of the rampant antisemitism which has been giving Labour heaps of grief over the last few years!


The New Statemens take on the issue.....https://www.newstatesman.com/...anti-semitism-crisis


jon b
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I find it bizarre that somehow for many on the left the difficulties in Palestine/Israel are simplified into Palestinians good and Isrealis/Jews evil.

I wouldn't even rely on them to accept the right of Israel to exist.

I've heard some on the left compare it to supporting the Republicans against Franco and the Nationalists/Fascists in the Spanish Civil War. Some sort of weird holy grail.

All over the world there are bitter and prolonged conflicts between different ethnic/religious groups over who owns what bit of land. For some reason Israel/Palestine is the one that the Labour left are obsessed with. It's difficult to see it as anything other than modern day anti-semitism.

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Yatesman
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Nov 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Unbelievable, Matt Hancock has recently said ‘in many ways the nhs is performing better than it ever has.’

Staggering, that it was confirmed A&E performance is at its worst & more patients are languishing on trolleys.

CONservatives utterly clueless about pain & misery their health cuts caused.



I can understand why he would say that.

Most people who use the NHS get really good, professional service by first rate caring people.

The problem the NHS has , apart from being an unwieldy behemoth, is that the cost of its services has risen exponentially thanks to leaps forward in treatments and new drugs and because it is a victim of its own success.
As people live longer their demands on the NHS become more complex and more expensive.

Btw, The Tories haven't cut anything. Health boards do that.

The Tories are investing record sums in the NHS trying to keep up with the increased demand .


Yatesman
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Why are the CONservatives launching a migrant-bashing campaign ? Because they want to distract you from the catastrophic NHS story.

It's the oldest political trick in the book: the powerful scapegoating migrants to deflect from the problems caused by elites.

It was immigrants who imposed austerity.
Immigrants cut police numbers by 21,000.
Immigrants imposed the brutal bedroom tax and benefit sanctions.
Immigrants starved schools & hospitals of funds.
Immigrants slashed social care.

Remember: immigrants did all this, not the CONservatives


I think the middle classes in the UK have Immigrant Dependency issues!!

I wonder if the NHS can treat that!


(This post was edited by Yatesman on Nov 15, 2019, 5:29 PM)


Yatesman
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I find it bizarre that somehow for many on the left the difficulties in Palestine/Israel are simplified into Palestinians good and Isrealis/Jews evil.

I wouldn't even rely on them to accept the right of Israel to exist.

I've heard some on the left compare it to supporting the Republicans against Franco and the Nationalists/Fascists in the Spanish Civil War. Some sort of weird holy grail.

All over the world there are bitter and prolonged conflicts between different ethnic/religious groups over who owns what bit of land. For some reason Israel/Palestine is the one that the Labour left are obsessed with. It's difficult to see it as anything other than modern day anti-semitism.

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I agree.

Their obsession with Uni-Campus politics has caused them to lose sight of their duty to the British Working Class.........

Hence why they have now been abandoned by them!!


PaulC
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Nov 15, 2019, 6:31 PM

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I find it bizarre that somehow for many on the left the difficulties in Palestine/Israel are simplified into Palestinians good and Isrealis/Jews evil.

I wouldn't even rely on them to accept the right of Israel to exist.

I've heard some on the left compare it to supporting the Republicans against Franco and the Nationalists/Fascists in the Spanish Civil War. Some sort of weird holy grail.

All over the world there are bitter and prolonged conflicts between different ethnic/religious groups over who owns what bit of land. For some reason Israel/Palestine is the one that the Labour left are obsessed with. It's difficult to see it as anything other than modern day anti-semitism.

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There is nothing anti-Semitic in being critical of the Israeli state over abject treatment of some of its citizens.

It compares badly with apartheid S Africa. Apartheid supported by Tories, opposed by Labour


Yatesman
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I find it bizarre that somehow for many on the left the difficulties in Palestine/Israel are simplified into Palestinians good and Isrealis/Jews evil.

I wouldn't even rely on them to accept the right of Israel to exist.

I've heard some on the left compare it to supporting the Republicans against Franco and the Nationalists/Fascists in the Spanish Civil War. Some sort of weird holy grail.

All over the world there are bitter and prolonged conflicts between different ethnic/religious groups over who owns what bit of land. For some reason Israel/Palestine is the one that the Labour left are obsessed with. It's difficult to see it as anything other than modern day anti-semitism.

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It compares badly with apartheid S Africa. Apartheid supported by Tories, opposed by Labour


How far back shall we go ?

Apatheid was an abomination.

The SNP supported Hitler and Hugh MacDiarmid was an avowed fascist. A significant vein of Scottish Nationalism is supportive of Irish Terrorism and have provided material support for the IRA

Shall we remind Scottish voters of the murky side of Scottish Nationalism at this election?


PaulC
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The SNP supported Hitler


No it didn’t.

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