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Yatesman
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Because just like the other two threads it's PaulC v Yatesman trying to score points over each other. Continuously. It's like you both shout so loud that nobody else can get a word in if it was a real life conversation.
Yes I do think it is stifling discussion from other posters that may want to contribute. I agree. Constantly lolling backward and forwards like Waldorf and Statler in fake Scots And I don't know who to vote for either other than it won't be for the loathsome Farage or the equally loathsome Liar Johnson Fake Scots.......I like that !! ( I'll not LOL!, I've decided that's puerile anyway) Loathesome politicians are the norm unfortunately.. Swinson and Corbyn are both lying loathesome creatures as well. The latest bullshit being that they can stop climate change.......wtf?? Like all the planet's Co2 emissions are British and no-one else is responsible......disingenuous lying gits.. Despite the obsession with the big bad bogeyman EU, from a worldwide perspective the biggest danger (if the likes of USA/China/Russia can manage not to pratfall into military catastrophe) is obviously climate change. Are you saying that there's no point in us trying to set an example or take a lead in tackling it? That we're too small and insignificant to have any effect? If Brexiters see us as so weak there's no point even in trying, then maybe we should at least work with our fellow European states tackling such problems. Oh hang on, we're running away from that idea....... .
No, that's not what I'm saying.
My post does not even hint at your conclusion.
My post says that British politicians are lying to claim they can stop climate change and are wrong to suggest that voting for any given party this coming election is going to save the planet.
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PaulC
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Which politicians have said they can stop climate change?
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Yatesman
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I consider myself a lefty Who should a lefty Brexiter vote for? .
If a voter considers Leaving the EU the overiding factor in this election then it seems there are limited choices on offer.
Each voter will have to decide it's priorities on the many issues at the fore in this election.
Personally, I think many voters will boycott this election but on the plus side for Remainers I think the young, especially new voters, will be engaged or enraged enough to get off their arses for once.
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007Dale
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Nov 7, 2019, 12:35 PM
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Devastating last 18 hours for Labour;
- Labour Deputy resigns
- Former Labour MP Ian Austin tells everyone to vote for Boris as Corbyn is useless
- The Economic plan is widely savaged.
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leohoenig
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Nov 7, 2019, 1:55 PM
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Conclusion - we would be better off without either of them
Fat AND Pompous.
The proof that you can have too much of a good thing
Now blogging at http://www.leohoenig.com
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jon b
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I consider myself a lefty Who should a lefty Brexiter vote for? If a voter considers Leaving the EU the overiding factor in this election then it seems there are limited choices on offer. Each voter will have to decide it's priorities on the many issues at the fore in this election. Personally, I think many voters will boycott this election but on the plus side for Remainers I think the young, especially new voters, will be engaged or enraged enough to get off their arses for once.
Complicated times. There's not enough support for another Referendum but a General Election is fought on a wide range of issues not just one.
In my case, as a Remainer and Lib Dem, it would seem I'd have an easy time deciding who to vote for. In actuality I'm stuck with the fact that Leave won in 2016 by well over a million votes. I still think Brexit is a serious mistake with negative consequences including the possibility of it leading to the break up of the UK, but it would be an even worse and dangerous mistake to try to ignore a clear democratic decision by the electorate.
So, I'm going to listen to the candidates in NE Derbys constituency and decide whether there's one worth voting for.
Strange times.
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Yatesman
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Devastating last 18 hours for Labour;
- Labour Deputy resigns
- Former Labour MP Ian Austin tells everyone to vote for Boris as Corbyn is useless
- The Economic plan is widely savaged. Meanwhile former Tory deputy PM Lidington resigns. Kenneth Clarke says he can't vote for Johnson The Tories abandon fiscal targets
At last, some good news for the Tories ^^^
Meanwhile, Oh dear.....
https://twitter.com/.../1192497193111949312
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Yatesman
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I consider myself a lefty Who should a lefty Brexiter vote for? If a voter considers Leaving the EU the overiding factor in this election then it seems there are limited choices on offer. Each voter will have to decide it's priorities on the many issues at the fore in this election. Personally, I think many voters will boycott this election but on the plus side for Remainers I think the young, especially new voters, will be engaged or enraged enough to get off their arses for once. Complicated times. There's not enough support for another Referendum but a General Election is fought on a wide range of issues not just one. In my case, as a Remainer and Lib Dem, it would seem I'd have an easy time deciding who to vote for. In actuality I'm stuck with the fact that Leave won in 2016 by well over a million votes. I still think Brexit is a serious mistake with negative consequences including the possibility of it leading to the break up of the UK, but it would be an even worse and dangerous mistake to try to ignore a clear democratic decision by the electorate. So, I'm going to listen to the candidates in NE Derbys constituency and decide whether there's one worth voting for. Strange times. .
The Lib-Dem party you used to vote for no longer exists.
Illiberal-Undemocrats more like.
I think you know that tho' and the time for lying to ourselves is long gone ( Paul C take note!)
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Ronsdog
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Nov 7, 2019, 10:27 PM
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So the confetti spree of £££££s has begun, as predicted.
Both parties are playing the old politicians game of bribing the electorate without a thought for the consequences.
Labour cover the cost of their plans with a dubious looking accounting trick...net worth values.
Whilst the Tories talk of their investment plans in grandiose terms as stimulating the more deprived areas by their package.
Well this observer sees not much changing until the nations appalling productivity levels improve significantly. Government cash can only do so much.
With private investment plans on hold until the Withdrawal Negotiations are complete, sometime this side of 2030, then I don't see it happening any time soon.
But the nation will feel better about itself in the short term.
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steveking
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Nov 8, 2019, 1:30 PM
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Meanwhile, Oh dear.....  Glad he has had time since that 3 yr oldtweet to realise it's honest naivety. Bit like Mark Carney, then governor of the Bank of England making totally unethical and mistaken predictions of imminent economic disaster post referendum............ Didn't bloody happen tho' did it? Never trust a Crystal Ball Gazer! 
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Ronsdog
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Nov 8, 2019, 3:20 PM
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The latest report concerning the economy from the IFS....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50318232
The expectation of higher taxes to pay for the spending plans of both major parties now looks likely.
If Jezza is serious in his claim that ordinary folk will not face higher taxes then he must hope that the 1% he has targeted don't up sticks and take their wealth with them. They currently account for a third of all the income tax take!
Fantasy economics yet again from the Labour (communist) Party.
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Yatesman
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Nov 8, 2019, 9:16 PM
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In my case, as a Remainer and Lib Dem, it would seem I'd have an easy time deciding who to vote for. In actuality I'm stuck with the fact that Leave won in 2016 by well over a million votes. I still think Brexit is a serious mistake with negative consequences including the possibility of it leading to the break up of the UK, but it would be an even worse and dangerous mistake to try to ignore a clear democratic decision by the electorate. Best post I have read on any of these political threads which are normally commandeered by the two pretend Scotsmen.....
Qui? Moi?
I don't think a single Scottish person who knows me would ever draw that conclusion,LoL!
Carrot Cruncher, Wurzle or Farmer/Pirate perhaps but a Jock???
That's hilarious!
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steve walker
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Nov 8, 2019, 11:17 PM
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You do know that for most people Brexit is not the defining issue. It's how their lives are being affected by the 10 years of this Government.
The use of foodbanks and people sleeping rough on the streets has trebled. It's a disgusting fact. We are told that we have more people in work than ever before and the economy is fine... it's all bull... in fact we have more people who are classed as 'employed' but may not get any work that week thanks to the way that the figures are manipulated these days.
I took my wife to A&E because she was undergoing cancer treatment and was in such a state that she didn't know who I was. She spent 7 hours on a trolley in a corridor after being blue lighted there by ambulance before seeing a doctor. They just didn't have enough staff and that A&E has now closed so if it happens again it's a 40 mile trip to the nearest A&E
These are the issues people will vote on. I don't really give an eff about you Scots getting your independence most of us would tow you out to sea and let you go if that what's you want but we care about how our real lives are being affected by this current Government whose only promise seems to be to be undo all the damage they have done in the past 10 years.
Yes I will vote Labour in this election despite the media campaign against Corbyn. I have a social conscience so I can't really vote any other way.
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Chris1963
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Nov 8, 2019, 11:26 PM
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In my case, as a Remainer and Lib Dem, it would seem I'd have an easy time deciding who to vote for. In actuality I'm stuck with the fact that Leave won in 2016 by well over a million votes. I still think Brexit is a serious mistake with negative consequences including the possibility of it leading to the break up of the UK, but it would be an even worse and dangerous mistake to try to ignore a clear democratic decision by the electorate. Best post I have read on any of these political threads which are normally commandeered by the two pretend Scotsmen.....
I'm glad that you now agree that Brexit is a serious mistake with negative consequences.
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TroubleAtMill
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So far the politicians of the main parties and their (for and against) brexit minded representatives on here have so far not persuaded me to vote for any of them. They're all centering to much on abuse and lols for that.
Here's hoping, but not expecting, that this will change.
(and apologies for starting this thread)
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