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Berks and Bucks overly complicated cup

 



Wijit99
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Oct 17, 2019, 1:30 AM

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So you have a cup competition with 25 teams in it, should be fairly easy to organise. You set up 9 ties (18 teams) and give seven lucky teams a bye , thus giving you 16 teams (9 winners + 7 byes) in the next round which very simply go down to 8 then 4 then 2 for a final.


However, the geniuses at the Berks and Bucks FA thought of a much better idea.

First round have 5 matches (10 teams) with 15 teams getting a bye.
Second round have 8 matches (5 winners + 11 of the teams who previously had a bye) with 4 teams getting a bye
Third round have 4 matches (8 winners from previous round) with still the same 4 teams getting a bye
Quarter final have 4 matches with the four previous winners and the 4 teams who have had a bye until this point
Then a normal semi final and final

I.e
1st round - 10 down to 5 + 15 byes
2nd round - (5 + 11) 16 down to 8 + 4 byes
3rd round - 8 down to 4 + 4 byes
QF round - (4 + 4) 8 down to 4
SF round - 4 down to 2
Final - 2 down to 1 Winner


So complicated and unnecessary i'm not sure i have explained it properly.

It will mean 4 of the starting 25 teams get a bye directly to the quarter final and would have just to win 3 matches whilst 10 teams start right at the beginning and would need to win 6 matches (double the lucky 4).

The lucky 4 are the three EFL clubs plus last years winner. The only reason any of the EFL teams enter is to give their youth players some extra matches, however, in this format they don't really have that chance being limited to a maximum of 3.


Cris
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Oct 17, 2019, 9:38 AM

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So you have a cup competition with 25 teams in it, should be fairly easy to organise. You set up 9 ties (18 teams) and give seven lucky teams a bye , thus giving you 16 teams (9 winners + 7 byes) in the next round which very simply go down to 8 then 4 then 2 for a final.


However, the geniuses at the Berks and Bucks FA thought of a much better idea.

First round have 5 matches (10 teams) with 15 teams getting a bye.
Second round have 8 matches (5 winners + 11 of the teams who previously had a bye) with 4 teams getting a bye
Third round have 4 matches (8 winners from previous round) with still the same 4 teams getting a bye
Quarter final have 4 matches with the four previous winners and the 4 teams who have had a bye until this point
Then a normal semi final and final

I.e
1st round - 10 down to 5 + 15 byes
2nd round - (5 + 11) 16 down to 8 + 4 byes
3rd round - 8 down to 4 + 4 byes
QF round - (4 + 4) 8 down to 4
SF round - 4 down to 2
Final - 2 down to 1 Winner


So complicated and unnecessary i'm not sure i have explained it properly.

It will mean 4 of the starting 25 teams get a bye directly to the quarter final and would have just to win 3 matches whilst 10 teams start right at the beginning and would need to win 6 matches (double the lucky 4).

The lucky 4 are the three EFL clubs plus last years winner. The only reason any of the EFL teams enter is to give their youth players some extra matches, however, in this format they don't really have that chance being limited to a maximum of 3.


Itís not dissimilar to how the revamped Worcestershire Senior Cup works this season, the 9 step 5/6 teams play in round 1 and 2 before the 5 step 2/3/4 clubs come in at the quarter finals.

I would imagine in both cases the more senior clubs would have been instrumental in how they are structured. If the : EFL clubs wanted their teams in the B&B cup from the first round they would be.


Mr. T
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Oct 17, 2019, 12:05 PM

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The Oxon Senior Cup has exemptions at two or three stages, with the clubs above Step 5 not coming in until the QFs. I doubt that it's that unusual.


Rob North
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Oct 17, 2019, 12:18 PM

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Presumably it's only way that the B & B FA can persuade Reading, MK Dons and Wycombe Wanderers to compete in the competition.


BillShep
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Oct 17, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Similar happens in the Liverpool Senior Cup..
The bigger clubs don't want their youngsters getting kicked about.
Liverpool don't enter anymore with Everton & Tranmere nearly always getting a bye to the last 8, once I recall even a bye to the semis.
It's also so that you don't loose too many clubs in the first round.



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Oct 18, 2019, 10:24 AM

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A similarly complicated arrangement happens in the FA Cup. Everyone seems to cope.


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Presumably it's only way that the B & B FA can persuade Reading, MK Dons and Wycombe Wanderers to compete in the competition.


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