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Yatesman
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The Holyrood administration obviously likes a good stunt and giving 16yr olds the vote in their elections was a good example of that......Just like free prescriptions etc.
bs!


LOL!

Reminiscent of the great George Foulkes:

Lord Foulkes:. "The SNP are on a dangerous tack at the moment, What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the Border in a number of areas."

Interviewer “Isn’t that a good thing?”

Foulkes “Yes, but they’re doing it delberately.”


That would be hilarious except for the unforeseen consequences of a bankrupt and failing Scottish NHS and councils unable to raise funding therefore massive cutbacks in services.
Here in the Borders the NHS are mothballing wards, cutting beds in mental health provision and have to make millions in savings this year.
The Bordrs council is closing all its smaller children's parks. Services are being slashed and burned.........
All devolved services. All shambolic.

Its the same all over the People's Republic of Alba!


PaulC
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The Holyrood administration obviously likes a good stunt and giving 16yr olds the vote in their elections was a good example of that......Just like free prescriptions etc.
bs!


LOL!

Reminiscent of the great George Foulkes:

Lord Foulkes:. "The SNP are on a dangerous tack at the moment, What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the Border in a number of areas."

Interviewer “Isn’t that a good thing?”

Foulkes “Yes, but they’re doing it delberately.”


That would be hilarious except for the unforeseen consequences of a bankrupt and failing Scottish NHS and councils unable to raise funding therefore massive cutbacks in services.
Here in the Borders the NHS are mothballing wards, cutting beds in mental health provision and have to make millions in savings this year.
The Bordrs council is closing all its smaller children's parks. Services are being slashed and burned.........
All devolved services. All shambolic.

Its the same all over the People's Republic of Alba!


Remind us where Scotland’s block grant comes from.

Unlike Westminster, which has run up nearly £1 trillion in debt in the last 9 years the Scottish government must live within its means and can only spend what Westminster deigns to give the Scottish government.

As for Borders Council - Tory-run. Say no more.


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Yes because our courts said the Bus slogan wasn't a lie.

No court has ruled that Remain didn't lie and haven't been lying for 3 years.


No, they didn't.

All they did was refuse to act on a private prosecution brought against Johnson for "misconduct in public office".

When the private prosecution was thrown out by the courts, Justice Rafferty said the "problem of false statements in the course of political campaigning is not new" and that Parliament had enacted laws to deal with "certain false campaign statements which it considers an illegal practice".

However, she said this did not include false statements relating to publicly available statistics, and found that the district judge's decision would have "extended the scope of the offence of misconduct in a public office."

Regarding the £350 Million per week slogan on the bus Justice Rafferty stated that "there would have been no complaint if Mr Johnson had used a figure of £350 million per week gross, or £250 million per week net".

The slogan on the bus did neither.

As for your "no court has ruled that Remain didn't lie", I'm not aware of any cases brought before them trying to say that they did. Do you know of any?

Both sides during the campaign made wild exaggerated predictions, but the slogan on the bus simply wasn't true.

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PaulC
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No court has ruled that Remain didn't lie


Sometimes LOL! isn't quite enough.


jon b
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The order of resolution is:
1. General Election
2a. Enact Brexit policy of winning party
2b. If no outright winner, confirmatory referendum


I'd have said a General Election is an inappropriate and clumsy way of trying to settle a one issue debate.

However, to judge by the recent increasingly bitter, poisonous and groundhog day debates in the House of Commons we have to try and purge some of the bile from Parliament.

Maybe we have no alternative but to see if the upcoming General Election will break the logjam, dispose of some of the deadwood and purge the atmosphere.

My nightmare though, is that we have a particularly vicious campaign followed by the hell of another hung Parliament. Frown

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Yatesman
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No court has ruled that Remain didn't lie


Sometimes LOL! isn't quite enough.


I get your point but jon b has just admitted that the Remain campaign did lie, or wildly exagerate as he preferred to call it.

There's no moral high ground Remainers can take.

Obviously as the losing campaign there was never any need to take them to court, but there is enough evidence of Remainer lies out there.............Still going on,tbh, so as Leave has not been found to have lied and Darren Grimes was exonerated in court against the malicious charges brought by the discredited Electoral Commission, there is no mileage left in colpic's vexatious claim that Brexit is invalid.


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Yatesman
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Meanwhile rumour has it that the All Blacks are demanding a people's semi final.


Really? Wow, I didn't realise Eddie Jones had been putting massive lies on the sides of buses.

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Oh dear, you're not still clutching at that straw are you?


Not still in denial that Brexit is predicated on a series of massive lies are you?


Yes because our courts said the Bus slogan wasn't a lie.

No court has ruled that Remain didn't lie and haven't been lying for 3 years.


So that's a yes then. You are in denial.Smile


It's a No.

Your analaysis is flawed

Your claims are false.

But, You know that!

Are you at peace with yourself perpetuating a myth?


I am indeed at peace with myself. Every post you write only reinforces my view that scrapping Brexit is the right option.

Thanks for asking though.

Speak again after the next Brexit extension?


You'll be voting LieDumb then?

Says it all !


Isaac
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Both sides during the campaign made wild exaggerated predictions, but the slogan on the bus simply wasn't true.

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I do actually agree with you on that but the slogan on the bus was neither true or untrue, it was just a suggestion not a promise. It was at worst misleading but no more so than much of what has come out of the remain camp.


Yatesman
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The Holyrood administration obviously likes a good stunt and giving 16yr olds the vote in their elections was a good example of that......Just like free prescriptions etc.
bs!


LOL!

Reminiscent of the great George Foulkes:

Lord Foulkes:. "The SNP are on a dangerous tack at the moment, What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the Border in a number of areas."

Interviewer “Isn’t that a good thing?”

Foulkes “Yes, but they’re doing it delberately.”


That would be hilarious except for the unforeseen consequences of a bankrupt and failing Scottish NHS and councils unable to raise funding therefore massive cutbacks in services.
Here in the Borders the NHS are mothballing wards, cutting beds in mental health provision and have to make millions in savings this year.
The Bordrs council is closing all its smaller children's parks. Services are being slashed and burned.........
All devolved services. All shambolic.

Its the same all over the People's Republic of Alba!


Remind us where Scotland’s block grant comes from.

Unlike Westminster, which has run up nearly £1 trillion in debt in the last 9 years the Scottish government must live within its means and can only spend what Westminster deigns to give the Scottish government.

As for Borders Council - Tory-run. Say no more.


Scotland has tax-raising powers devolved to it.

The mess this region is in is of its own making.

Every council, Tory , SNP, LD are making cuts to services on a Thatcherite scale.

Education, Transport, Policing...........all devolved, All in a mess.

We are the Venezuela of Northern Europe!


PaulC
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Scotland has tax-raising powers devolved to it.

The mess this region is in is of its own making.

Every council, Tory , SNP, LD are making cuts to services on a Thatcherite scale.

Education, Transport, Policing...........all devolved, All in a mess.

We are the Venezuela of Northern Europe!


SO you favour more taxation in Scotland to make up for Westminster Tory cuts. Interesting. Scotland is already mitigating the worst of that Tory Westminster throws at us - the bedroom tax, for example

Meanwhile in England it's all going swimmingly.

"UK debt tops £2 trillion"

"Northamptonshire council has gone bust."

"The NHS in England overspent by £4.3bn last year"

You just don't know how lucky you are, choosing to live in SNP-led Scotland.


Yatesman
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Scotland has tax-raising powers devolved to it.

The mess this region is in is of its own making.

Every council, Tory , SNP, LD are making cuts to services on a Thatcherite scale.

Education, Transport, Policing...........all devolved, All in a mess.

We are the Venezuela of Northern Europe!


SO you favour more taxation in Scotland to make up for Westminster Tory cuts. Interesting.


Is that you telling me what I'm saying again?

You're good at doing that, you!

I favour the SNP administration getting on with running this region for the benefit of it's residents and not using it as a platform to promote it's party political ambitions of division and exclusivism.

Funny that you choose not to live up here and yet have such a rose tinted view of Scottish life.


PaulC
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I favour the SNP administration getting on with running this region for the benefit of it's residents and not using it as a platform to promote it's party political ambitions of division and exclusivism.

Funny that you choose not to live up here and yet have such a rose tinted view of Scottish life.


Do you think the country's residents would benefit from paying English level tuition fees, English level prescription charges, English level personal home care costs, English level bedroom tax whilst enjoying English level NHS waiting times?

I choose not to live up here? LOL!


Yatesman
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I favour the SNP administration getting on with running this region for the benefit of it's residents and not using it as a platform to promote it's party political ambitions of division and exclusivism.

Funny that you choose not to live up here and yet have such a rose tinted view of Scottish life.


Do you think the country's residents would benefit from paying English level tuition fees, English level prescription charges, English level personal home care costs, English level bedroom tax whilst enjoying English level NHS waiting times?

I choose not to live up here? LOL!


All benefits for the middle classes.

Except for the bedroom tax which was designed to encourage folk to downsize to allow growing families to move in to larger properties.
As someone who has spent the week working in a one bed social housing association flat in Peebles for a young couple with a new born baby who are stuck there because their Housing Association doesnt have a larger property available to them I would say the Scottish Government bedroom tax subsidy is NOT working for some Scottish residents.

This is what happens when dogma smashes in to Common Sense!


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So when that child grows up you think it right it should have to pay £36,000 in tuition fees rather than £0 it would currently pay?

LOL!


Yatesman
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So when that child grows up you think it right it should have to pay £36,000 in tuition fees rather than £0 it would currently pay?

LOL!


Yes, when that child grows up it should pay for its higher education but only once its future earnings surpass a given threshold.

If it never earns it never pays.

If it pays it learns a valuable life lesson.


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Brexiteers: "We all knew what we were voting for."

May "Brexit means Brexit"

Johnson "I have a great Brexit deal"

Farage "This isn't Brexit."

LOL!


Yatesman
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Brexiteers: "We all knew what we were voting for."

May "Brexit means Brexit"

Johnson "I have a great Brexit deal"

Farage "This isn't Brexit."

LOL!


The Remain campaign for Simpletons ^^^ , LOL!


Theresa May a Brexiteer, LOL!


Intelligent input,Darling, LOL!


Would love to hear your world view on, say Islam, or Christianity, on Gender or on Human Rights.......In 4 sentences.......LMFAO!


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Take it to PM we are all bored with the Yatesman v PaulC scenario that takes over every politics thread. It's supposed to be an open discussion and you two if you realise it or not are prohibiting that.

Steve

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