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keneastlancs
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With the very real possibility Bury FC could be kicked out of the football league and go bust this in turn I believe would only mean 1 team relegated from the football league at the end of the season. How will this affect the rest of the restructuring proposals laid out previously at the end of this season


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I assume it'd first depend on where Bury, or any successor club, were to be placed in next season's pyramid.


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Already been decided only 3 down from league 1 if it happens.


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I know. The OP seems to be asking about the knock-on effect lower down.


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1 less relegation place in each division in pyramid.. up to the level Bury play in next season if they still exist


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1 less relegation place in each division in pyramid.. up to the level Bury play in next season if they still exist


Why? still 2 down in lge 2, no effect on Conf, etc, etc, etc

Where 'Bury' get placed, should it be required, may have an effect


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1 less relegation place in each division in pyramid.. up to the level Bury play in next season if they still exist


Why? still 2 down in lge 2, no effect on Conf, etc, etc, etc

Where 'Bury' get placed, should it be required, may have an effect


That would leave League Two one short next season.



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1 less relegation place in each division in pyramid.. up to the level Bury play in next season if they still exist

To me it sounds like there is no interest to resurrect them lower down the league (not at this time anyway) so will it be an extra club at each level upto level 6? and when if that is the case will it be confirmed to clubs or will they keep with the restructuring as already stated with 1 level (say national North) running 1 short for a season)


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1 less relegation place in each division in pyramid.. up to the level Bury play in next season if they still exist


Why? still 2 down in lge 2, no effect on Conf, etc, etc, etc

Where 'Bury' get placed, should it be required, may have an effect

If Bury are expelled from the Football League, the first club to suffer such a fate since Leeds City, I'd imagine it'd be thus

3 down from League 1
4 up, 1 down from League 2
2 up, 3 down from National
4 up, 3 down from Step 2



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1 less relegation place in each division in pyramid.. up to the level Bury play in next season if they still exist


Why? still 2 down in lge 2, no effect on Conf, etc, etc, etc

Where 'Bury' get placed, should it be required, may have an effect

If Bury are expelled from the Football League, the first club to suffer such a fate since Leeds City, I'd imagine it'd be thus

3 down from League 1
4 up, 1 down from League 2
2 up, 3 down from National
4 up, 3 down from Step 2


Aldershot not count?




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Aldershot not count?


I think shimtoan is drawing a technical line between "expelled" and "forced to resign".


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Aldershot not count?


I think shimtoan is drawing a technical line between "expelled" and "forced to resign".


Maidstone United (1992) were the last league team to leave the league rather than be relegated, but this would be as folded rather than expelled.


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If they are expelled but keep going or a replacement club is set up it will be interesting for 2020/21 season.
The way things have been done recently is a phoenix club dropping from Steps 1-3 is looking at step 5 if they are lucky or step 6.
If it happens it really is new territory for the LC.


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If they are expelled but keep going or a replacement club is set up it will be interesting for 2020/21 season.
The way things have been done recently is a phoenix club dropping from Steps 1-3 is looking at step 5 if they are lucky or step 6.
If it happens it really is new territory for the LC.



I’ve got a sneaky feeling that they’d end up in the National League System & probably the National League North. Part of the agreement between the EFL & NL is that they have to accept the relegated teams. I know this wouldn’t be relegation, but I believe they’d accept them in the end. I think Dale will blink today and the club will be sold. Hopefully with him receiving zero money



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If they are expelled but keep going or a replacement club is set up it will be interesting for 2020/21 season.
The way things have been done recently is a phoenix club dropping from Steps 1-3 is looking at step 5 if they are lucky or step 6.
If it happens it really is new territory for the LC.



I’ve got a sneaky feeling that they’d end up in the National League System & probably the National League North. Part of the agreement between the EFL & NL is that they have to accept the relegated teams. I know this wouldn’t be relegation, but I believe they’d accept them in the end. I think Dale will blink today and the club will be sold. Hopefully with him receiving zero money

Yes i think that is most likely.
It is three rungs down the ladder and anything else would be disproportionate with their other recent decisions.


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If they are expelled but keep going or a replacement club is set up it will be interesting for 2020/21 season.
The way things have been done recently is a phoenix club dropping from Steps 1-3 is looking at step 5 if they are lucky or step 6.
If it happens it really is new territory for the LC.



I’ve got a sneaky feeling that they’d end up in the National League System & probably the National League North. Part of the agreement between the EFL & NL is that they have to accept the relegated teams. I know this wouldn’t be relegation, but I believe they’d accept them in the end. I think Dale will blink today and the club will be sold. Hopefully with him receiving zero money


Unless Bury were to sort out their financial issues upon hypothetical survival, I cannot in any circumstances see the National League accepting them, as they have a far stricter policy on clubs in financial issues than the EFL have proven to have (by which I mean that if Bury had been in the National League this season, they would have been expelled long before things reached this point, as would have Bolton).

And if there's a phoenix club set up, I seem to recall that these cannot start any higher than Step 5 anymore (ever since one of Chester or Halifax restarted at Step 4 a few years back), so a Bury phoenix club would likely end up in the North West Counties League. And given that Darlington and Hereford had to restart at that level in recent years, the LC would surely have no qualms about placing a new Bury team at that level.



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The placement in the NLS of any phoenix Bury club would be at the NLS Committee's absolute discretion (the 'restart no higher than step 5' rule only applies to clubs within the NLS who go bump).

In the absence of any specific rule to the contrary, I assume the same would apply if the existing club somehow survived an expulsion from the EFL.


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Bury will only survive in their current form if they stay in the FL . Membership is the only valuable thing they have that a phoenix club couldn't get for a fraction of the cost.


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Let's hope Mr Dale sees it that way too. Though the fact he's been on radio today imploring people to rally around and raise £2.7m suggests a certain detachment from reality.

The club's other valuable asset, of course, is the stadium, though I'd imagine any phoenix club would need to look elsewhere.


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A bit of what gos around, comes around if a phoenix club ends up ground share at FC united (who Bury hosted for a time)


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Or Salford. The irony wouldn't be lost on the Neville family. Bitter irony I'd have thought.


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Or Salford. The irony wouldn't be lost on the Neville family. Bitter irony I'd have thought.


Wouldn't it? The Nevilles and irony have never seemed like good friends to me.


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All very sad but the national publicity and sympathy not really fhere for Chester, Hereford etc who were bankrupted by crooks. Gateshead saved at the very last minute as well in the summer and would have gone under with little fanfare.


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All very sad but the national publicity and sympathy not really fhere for Chester, Hereford etc who were bankrupted by crooks. Gateshead saved at the very last minute as well in the summer and would have gone under with little fanfare.

These were all non-league clubs when they got into difficulties, and thus not really on the radar of most football watchers in the Sky generation. With Bury being in the EFL it's a bit different.


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And it would be the first club in the top three divisions to go pop

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