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Steveb
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Where’s Yatesman’s usual witty comments on this thread? Maybe he agrees with everyone on this, but can’t bring himself to say as much.... Aaah , That's nice that you value my input!! The Ambassador had to go, End of!! Trump was right to be angry and to not want any more to do with Darroch after learning of his opinions. There was no point in Johnson backing Darroch as he was already toast by then. Maybe diplomats will learn to use more diplomatic language and learn to judge people and situations professionally and pragmatically rather than emotively and personally.
I’m sure if every single diplomat across the world, had their memos revealed. Then most countries would have problems with what they have written. The issue is that Trump is so thin skinned, that he can’t cope with criticism & responds like a school yard bully. We shouldn’t allow the Americans to push us around & this is exactly what Boris did. This’ll have grave consequences for the future! This really isn't about Trump It's about a British diplomat engaging in petty name-calling instead of being a facilitator. As I said earlier, he should have focussed on substance , pragmatism and professionalism , instead he got embroiled in the liberal lefty fondness for condescending and patronising judgementalism. They never learn do they? Despite losing election after election and alienating millions of good, honest, decent people they just can't get down off their self appointed positions of moral superiority. I think it is right he resigned. He was quite demonstrably the wrong man for the job! f
You clearly have no understanding of the role of an ambassador. No surprise though.
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Yatesman
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Where’s Yatesman’s usual witty comments on this thread? Maybe he agrees with everyone on this, but can’t bring himself to say as much.... Aaah , That's nice that you value my input!! The Ambassador had to go, End of!! Trump was right to be angry and to not want any more to do with Darroch after learning of his opinions. There was no point in Johnson backing Darroch as he was already toast by then. Maybe diplomats will learn to use more diplomatic language and learn to judge people and situations professionally and pragmatically rather than emotively and personally.
I’m sure if every single diplomat across the world, had their memos revealed. Then most countries would have problems with what they have written. The issue is that Trump is so thin skinned, that he can’t cope with criticism & responds like a school yard bully. We shouldn’t allow the Americans to push us around & this is exactly what Boris did. This’ll have grave consequences for the future! This really isn't about Trump It's about a British diplomat engaging in petty name-calling instead of being a facilitator. As I said earlier, he should have focussed on substance , pragmatism and professionalism , instead he got embroiled in the liberal lefty fondness for condescending and patronising judgementalism. They never learn do they? Despite losing election after election and alienating millions of good, honest, decent people they just can't get down off their self appointed positions of moral superiority. I think it is right he resigned. He was quite demonstrably the wrong man for the job! f You clearly have no understanding of the role of an ambassador. No surprise though.
Clearly I do and clearly you have proven the statement in my 2nd paragraph. .
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broodleyhoo
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Jul 22, 2019, 11:26 AM
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Not really replying to anyone in particular : just tagging onto jon b's post as the next in line.
The 'next PM' question can surely be considered dispassionately on the grounds of the historical record. Unlike financial investments, past performance is a guide to future prospects.
So, if you employ Pep as your footy manager, you're going to get a passing and possession team. If you ask Big Sam, you'll get something more direct.
Equally with PMs.
It was clear from her impotent hectoring during tenure at the Home Office that Mrs May wasn't up to the job.
So, should Mr. Hunt get the job, he'll be someone who has alienated a workforce he controlled at Health. He'll be someone who pursues policies of transferring tax payer money to private corporations - as again he did at the NHS - and who is comfortable with wealth accruing to private individuals and companies through property holding.
If Mr. Johnson gets the job, he'll be someone who, during his time as London Mayor saw the city rise to become the world's money-laundering centre, caused a new design of bus to be made that is widely disliked - but brought in design fees from the taxpayer for his mates, a trick repeated in the Garden Bridge fiasco.
Both candidates espouse the idea that the way to prosperity is via tax cuts and that public services can run efficiently on ever-decreasing budgets.
Neither candidate therefore seems an attractive option
But before I'm tediously accused of liberal loony lefty sandal-wearing beardy lentil-munching tendencies, there is one positive about the candidatures of both Hunt and Johnson. They will prevent the scandalously incompetent incumbent leader of what is laughingly termed Her Majesty's Opposition getting anywhere near power.
Those who, in England, purport to represent us have never been more deserving of contempt.
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007Dale
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Jul 22, 2019, 1:53 PM
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I think Boris will be itching to call a General Election, so a defeat in Brecon might speed that along.
Always assuming parliament votes for a General Election of course.
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Part-Timer
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Jul 22, 2019, 1:59 PM
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Whoever the next PM is, things have just got a whole lot worse. Dover MP Charlie Elphicke has just been charged with sexual assault against 2 women. With the upcoming by-Election in Brecon & Radnorshire & the Lib Dem’s are massive favourites to take this seat. The Tories could end up with a majority of one https://www.independent.co.uk/...latest-a9015386.htmlThe Tories don't have a majority.
They have a majority if you include the DUP
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jon b
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Jul 22, 2019, 7:39 PM
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I think Boris will be itching to call a General Election, so a defeat in Brecon might speed that along.
Always assuming parliament votes for a General Election of course.
Yes, I suspect you're right 007.
Labour seem currently beset by problems over Brexit splits, entrenched anti-semitism and an unelectable Leader.
Trouble is, pretty much the same factors prompted May to call a General Election and it went horribly wrong for her. Johnson's a better election campaigner but GEs can throw up surprises.
However, if he can somehow achieve some sort of Brexit, whether Deal or No Deal, and then calls a General Election to validate it, I think he would have shot the Brexit Party fox and have a relatively united party behind him ready to do severe damage to a Jezza led Labour.
I don't think the Fixed Term Parliament rules would get in the way as MPs generally don't want to be seen as frightened to face the electorate. Labour, of course, have been making a big show of wanting a General Election, even though in reality they'd be terrified of one.
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jon b
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Jul 22, 2019, 11:08 PM
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Those who, in England, purport to represent us have never been more deserving of contempt.
In the midst of all the doom and gloom I hope everyone's suitably grateful to the Lib Dems for providing a comedy moment.
Flushed with the adrenalin of a successful leadership election campaign Jo Swinson in her acceptance speech this afternoon told the party that:
“I stand before you today, not as just as the leader of the Liberal Democrats, but as a candidate for Prime Minister. There is no limit to my ambition for our party and for our movement. I am ready to take our party into a general election and win it.”
https://www.theguardian.com/...d-new-lib-dem-leader
Shades of David Steel in 1981 telling the party activists to go back to their constituencies and prepare for government. In the subsequent 1983 General Election it turned out that you needed a few more than the 23 Liberal/SDP Alliance MPs elected to take over at No.10.
From memory the 1983 General Election also saw a more personal comedy moment, when I put up a poster in a window for one party and my wife put a poster in another window for a different party. They weren't in alliance. Hopefully, we got the odd smile from passers-by.
Oddly enough, I don't think we argued about it at all.
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broodleyhoo
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Jul 23, 2019, 7:55 AM
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Just as a matter of historical fact, the Lib/SDP alliance got a greater share of votes, and more seats in 1983 than UKIP has ever done in any general election. (Read the caveats carefully true believers before you hit the keyboard)
Yet the performance of one party - with a defined range of policies and a series of experienced and able politicians - is seen as an almost- laughable historical quirk whilst that of the other, involving a party with just one policy and, at most, one leader of any stature, has changed the face of the nation entirely.
Funny old world.
(and no, I'm not a LibDem : my contempt for the current crop of politicians in England is comprehensive and complete)
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MelChester
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Jul 23, 2019, 5:31 PM
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We are now the laughing stock of the World, our standing has hit rock bottom. The rich will get rich the poor will get poorer. I feel for those who voted remain and are not affluent, those who voted leave and are not affluent tough you voted for it, see what you've done. So many mislead souls will suffer for years. The right wing rich have won the day, they don't actually care about what the leave vote was, wake up they had an agenda and it will now be implemented.
Politics is a mess, Labour is not the answer. The EU is far, far from perfect and needs reform, but iit s Nirvana compared with the alternative.
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007Dale
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Jul 23, 2019, 7:12 PM
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We are now the laughing stock of the World, our standing has hit rock bottom. The rich will get rich the poor will get poorer. I feel for those who voted remain and are not affluent, those who voted leave and are not affluent tough you voted for it, see what you've done. So many mislead souls will suffer for years. The right wing rich have won the day, they don't actually care about what the leave vote was, wake up they had an agenda and it will now be implemented.
Politics is a mess, Labour is not the answer. The EU is far, far from perfect and needs reform, but iit s Nirvana compared with the alternative.
Calm down, calm down!
Shall we give the man a chance? He’s not actually Prime Minister yet.
I expect he’ll make a pigs ear of things, but you never know. Let’s not forget, Londoners Elected the bloke twice and that’s not come crashing down.
If he delivers Brexit on the 31st October as planned I’ll Be (pleasantly) astonished, but stranger things have happened.
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Steveb
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Jul 23, 2019, 10:38 PM
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We are now the laughing stock of the World, our standing has hit rock bottom. The rich will get rich the poor will get poorer. I feel for those who voted remain and are not affluent, those who voted leave and are not affluent tough you voted for it, see what you've done. So many mislead souls will suffer for years. The right wing rich have won the day, they don't actually care about what the leave vote was, wake up they had an agenda and it will now be implemented.
Politics is a mess, Labour is not the answer. The EU is far, far from perfect and needs reform, but iit s Nirvana compared with the alternative.
Given our new PM, I don’t think we’ve yet hit rock bottom. Give it a few weeks.
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Tykeoldboy
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Jul 23, 2019, 11:44 PM
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Looking at the front pages of tomorrow's (23 July) newspapers the one in the Daily Telegraph does remind me of Benny Hill
https://www.bbc.co.uk/...-the-papers-49092664
The feeling of utter devastation when you pick up your mug and realise you already finished your tea.
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Ronsdog
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Jul 24, 2019, 12:47 AM
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I doubt whether The Dude can be any worse then The Maybot.
However both are/were preferable to Comrade Corbyn.
God help us if he and side kick McDonnell ever get the opportunity to hold the reigns of power. And I say that as a non religious person !!
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