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jrev61
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I clicked on the twitter link

It said Ďsomething went wrongí

Not a bad summary but was hoping for more detail


I occasionally get that when opening a twitter link.

If I go back to the forum thread and reopen it, it usually works occasionally it takes 3 or 4 attempts but not usually.


I get that with Twitter every time I try to go into it for the first time. The second time always works for me. Shouldn't it be 'Sorry. We have screwed up' rather than the rather abrupt Something went wrong'? It's their fault after all.



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Well thatís a No Deal Brexit blocked.

I wonder what Boris will do.


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Huge victory in House of Commons today for stopping Johnson from closing down Parliament in Sept & October - majority of 41!

So it looks as if the only course of action is for Boris The Clown to call an early General Election if he wants to attempt to Get his no-deal Brexit through Parliament



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


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Huge victory in House of Commons today for stopping Johnson from closing down Parliament in Sept & October - majority of 41!

So it looks as if the only course of action is for Boris The Clown to call an early General Election if he wants to attempt to Get his no-deal Brexit through Parliament


A GE for Nov 7th is probably his best chance to deliver Brexit on 31st October..............either that or renegotiate the withdrawal deal!


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Well thatís a No Deal Brexit blocked.

I wonder what Boris will do.


Blame the EU for British regulations on fish transport between the Isle of Man and the UK?


PaulC
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Huge victory in House of Commons today for stopping Johnson from closing down Parliament in Sept & October - majority of 41!

So it looks as if the only course of action is for Boris The Clown to call an early General Election if he wants to attempt to Get his no-deal Brexit through Parliament


A GE for Nov 7th is probably his best chance to deliver Brexit on 31st October..............either that or renegotiate the withdrawal deal!


Just two problems with those two solutions.

The withdrawal agreement wonít be renegotiated.

You canít just call a GE. You now need a lot of turkeys to vote for Xmas.


(This post was edited by PaulC on Jul 18, 2019, 7:31 PM)


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Huge victory in House of Commons today for stopping Johnson from closing down Parliament in Sept & October - majority of 41!

So it looks as if the only course of action is for Boris The Clown to call an early General Election if he wants to attempt to Get his no-deal Brexit through Parliament


A GE for Nov 7th is probably his best chance to deliver Brexit on 31st October..............either that or renegotiate the withdrawal deal!


Just two problems with those two solutions.

The withdrawal agreement wonít be renegotiated.

You canít just call a GE. You now need a lot of turkeys to vote for Xmas.


One of the worst pieces of legislation in British parliament history is the fixed term parliament act.



The feeling of utter devastation when you pick up your mug and realise you already finished your tea.


Yatesman
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Huge victory in House of Commons today for stopping Johnson from closing down Parliament in Sept & October - majority of 41!

So it looks as if the only course of action is for Boris The Clown to call an early General Election if he wants to attempt to Get his no-deal Brexit through Parliament


A GE for Nov 7th is probably his best chance to deliver Brexit on 31st October..............either that or renegotiate the withdrawal deal!


Just two problems with those two solutions.

The withdrawal agreement wonít be renegotiated.

You canít just call a GE. You now need a lot of turkeys to vote for Xmas.



That's true re: point #2

But I'm not convinced re: point #1

With a new PM there will be all to play for imo, but we can't know the future so I guess we'll have to wait and see.


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The trouble is that a lot of the time between now and the 31st October is politically wasted time, with a long parliamentary recess and then the conference season


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What I hope for

Install Boris 23/7
House of Commons votes for immediate General Election to try and break the deadlock
Green / Liberal Democrats / plaid / snp remain alliance v Labour fence sitting on their own v Conservative / brexit party no deal brexit alliance.


Yatesman
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I see the BBC news has gone into shameless ,full frontal 'Project Fear 3' mode with LK just about apoplectic in her summing up of the current situation.

She's obviously livid that despite all her , and her colleagues' best efforts, BJ will probably be the next PM.

THe BBC commisioned economic modelling reports are a joke and we are back to unsubstantiated Crystal Ball Gazing.

I hope BJ's 1st act as PM is to break up the BBC and take away the licence fee...........


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The trouble is that a lot of the time between now and the 31st October is politically wasted time, with a long parliamentary recess and then the conference season

Just like the last three months then. What was it that Donald Tusk said a few months ago about time management........


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The trouble is that a lot of the time between now and the 31st October is politically wasted time, with a long parliamentary recess and then the conference season

Just like the last three months then. What was it that Donald Tusk said a few months ago about time management........


Not sure the EU could have negotiated much itself recently given that its been changing all its personnel.


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Amidst all the chatter about a new PM and personnel changes within the EU hierarchy much positive unseen work has been done regarding alternative arrangements to the infamous Irish Backstop.

A report by the Prosperity UK Alternative Arrangements Committee published yesterday provides solutions to the current stumbling block.

Leading city legal firm Herbert Smith Freehills are now drafting legal protocols that provide alternative arrangements to the Backstop. The first could be inserted into the current withdrawal agreement. It will provide a single sanitary and phytosanitaryzone for the whole of Ireland and could be up and running within three years according to Nicky Morgan, joint chair of the PUKAAC. Under such an arrangement the backstop provision could remain but would be superseded, assuming the UK met its commitments to implement the alternative arrangements.

Both the UK in approving the Brady Agreement and EU in the Strasbourg declaration are committed to seeking alternative arrangements if the Withdrawal Agreement is passed.

The technical work has now been completed which ensures the GFA is upheld whilst avoiding a hard border, which should break the Brexit logjam.

It's now a question of whether the UK government and EU can agree the protocol. If so we could yet see a Withdrawal Agrreement enacted by October 31st 2019.


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https://www.prosperity-uk.com/...otocols-18-07-19.pdf


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Basically proves a solution was there all along, if both sides had entered into the negotiations with good grace.


Yatesman
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Meanwhile, in other Brexit related news,

Hot on the heels of the Bus campaign being proved legitimate by a court ruling we now have a ruling that has cleared Darren Grimes, founder of BeLeave, of any wrongdoing in reference to funds recieved from Leave during the EU election.

The judge ruled that Grimes had not been dishonest or lacking in transparancy.

The judge commented that The Electoral Commission had misinterpreted the law .............

WHAT!!!!?? Wtf????

I hope there is an internal investigation within The EC and some heads roll.

Who gave them the right to play God and make up new rules on the hoof just to punish political entities they disagree with.

How on earth did they not take legal advice before rushing in to destroy some-one's reputation and career??

So, The Bus statement was true.

The Leave campaign did not overspend.

The majority of the voters voted Leave.

Have Remain ran out of Fake news now?


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I hope there is an internal investigation within The EC and some heads roll.


I think we should wait till their appeal is heard.


Yatesman
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I hope there is an internal investigation within The EC and some heads roll.


I think we should wait till their appeal is heard.


Aye, that's if they've got the brass neck to drag it out any longer, the BarStewards ...........


Yatesman
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In other Brexit news..............

Following on from the James o'Brien Twitter apology and Tweet deletions in regard to the unwarranted hounding, and vilification of BeLeave founder Darren Grimes , thanks to the court ruling in his favour, now The Guardian has been forced to issue an apology to Journalist Isabel Oakshott for the vile and mysogynistic sexual taunting against her in the guise of a 'fictitious' (Cowardly imo) sketch.

How low will Remainers go in their angry, extremist, anti democratic and indecent campaign?

Please answer this question , what else must we contend with?

Liberal Extremism is undoudbtedly the biggest threat to our society since The Cold War.


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In other Brexit news..............

Following on from the James o'Brien Twitter apology and Tweet deletions in regard to the unwarranted hounding, and vilification of BeLeave founder Darren Grimes , thanks to the court ruling in his favour, now The Guardian has been forced to issue an apology to Journalist Isabel Oakshott for the vile and mysogynistic sexual taunting against her in the guise of a 'fictitious' (Cowardly imo) sketch.

How low will Remainers go in their angry, extremist, anti democratic and indecent campaign?

Please answer this question , what else must we contend with?

Liberal Extremism is undoudbtedly the biggest threat to our society since The Cold War.


That last line is a joke.

People's behaviour and reactions change over time, from straight laced prudish victoriana to the current rub genitals in your face attitude. Victorian prudism was a reaction to the previous more open society. Society changes there will be a reaction back to a more conservative society over the next 50 to 100 years. There is no threat to our society because society is people and it keeps evolving, revolving and ending up with something similar whilst meandering between extremes, its happened at least since the start of civilizations.


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Project Reality

Our PM -in-waiting left visibly shaken by the consequences of his ludicrous No Deal Brexit policy.

It's no longer a cynical ploy to get the votes of the lunatic wing of Tory membership.




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Project Reality

Our PM -in-waiting left visibly shaken by the consequences of his ludicrous No Deal Brexit policy.

It's no longer a cynical ploy to get the votes of the lunatic wing of Tory membership.



Then best we get a deal then isn't it?

The main places where any civil disobedience will occur will be NI and London.

I suggest all the Remainer Stosstruppen vent their ire outside the offices of their closest LieDem,SNP and Labour MP's and MEP's and get them to bat for Britain and focus their energies on negotiating a way forward.

The backstop is where the logjam is an away from the border solution with rUK outside of the Customs Union is probably the alternative to the current agreement.


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Not a reply to the previous post per se, but a more general point.

3 years in, the situation is clear

Either
a) Brexit is a great idea and it just needs a leader with a strong purpose, policy and vision to implement these and remove anyone who would inhibit such implementation
or
b) Brexit remains so hugely ill-defined apart from the most general of broad-brush aspirations that anyone who sits down to try to implement Brexit finds that it is impossible to do in any meaningful and non-damaging way.

The choice is yours.

But exhortations to bat for our side irrespective of any thinking through of the process should belong no closer to our to our political decision-making processes than the realms of the half-time pep talk for the club 3rd XV.


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Gosh .

37 months in and people can still post that the majority of voters voted leave.

Of course it was the majority of those who voted, voted leave.
Just two words - but a significant difference.

Imagine you're on trial.
5 of the jury find you guilty, 4 find you not guilty and 3 can't decide.
You'd happily take 20 years in the Scrubs because the majority voted guilty, wouldn't you?

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