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I'd agree with outlawing any betting at your level and the levels immediately above and below, but not a blanket ban. That used to be the rule, along with any betting on any competition that you took part in (cup games, etc). However, as any club secretary will tell you, players generally have no idea which competitions they have played in and claimed to have inadvertently breached them. It was decided to make it a blanket ban so everyone knows where they stand. Betting on any game, anywhere, for anyone involved at step four and above is not allowed.
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paulh66
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Happy to stand corrected but I think the blanket ban was introduced because anything less than that would create loopholes that someone, somewhere would inevitably exploit for nefarious purposes. It's that balance between overkill and workability.
Mind you, if any volunteer had a flutter then the odds of being caught must be slim to none anyway...
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ladderman
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Jun 27, 2019, 9:54 PM
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Are there any cases of someone involved in non league football getting done for getting on Premier or League football. I'm thinking not
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Dr Love
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Jun 27, 2019, 11:11 PM
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Paul Scholes.
Although presumably more high profile than you meant by that question.
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Beano
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Jun 28, 2019, 12:20 AM
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Are there any cases of someone involved in non league football getting done for getting on Premier or League football. I'm thinking not
I found one: Phil Hodgkinson, who was the Chairman at Southport was fined £1,500 for having placed 99 bets on matches between 2015 and 2019.
He was also considered (at one point) to have failed the Owners & Directors Test, which would have kiboshed his takeover of Huddersfield Town. However, he won an appeal against that element, partly on the grounds that he had never been properly advised of the rules whilst a Director of Southport. Also taken into account was the average stake of £12.70, the fact that he had never bet on a competition in which Southport FC was involved and a technicality caused by the wording of the OADT rules.
The written reasons for the appeal and the initial result can be found on TheFA.com.
If it transpires that BetVictor are the new sponsor of the Step 3 & 4 Leagues, then I'll do the work required of me to ensure the sponsorship is properly recognised in print and online. I'm not a betting man and I wouldn't criticise those who do like a flutter. And any business prepared to put significant funds into non-league football can't be all bad.
However, on a personal note, I do think that football, as a whole, needs to decide how it wants to work with bookmakers.
(This post was edited by Beano on Jun 28, 2019, 12:25 AM)
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blackdouglas
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Not Premier League I know but payers & staff have been banned from football for betting on games
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25371230
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38058165
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/four-mersey-non-league-footballers-banned-3436438
https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/...over-betting-breach/
Northwood, Threave Rovers, Arsenal, Rangers (the real ones, NOT qpr),Watford, Rochdale, queen of the south and a few others.
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ladderman
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Jun 28, 2019, 7:56 AM
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Maybe I should have clarified "involved in non-league football", I wasn't talking about a manager betting against his own team or players match fixing. I was talking about lunacy that, because I'm Stortford's press officer I couldn't bet on England last night.
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However, on a personal note, I do think that football, as a whole, needs to decide how it wants to work with bookmakers. It is the same as tobacco sponsorship in the past. Eventually it will be legislated out of existence and another industry will come in and make up the shortfall. Don't expect football, or any other sport, to adopt the moral high ground before that. As long as the money is coming in they will be happy.
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Beano
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I think the difference from my perspective is that, in the days of tobacco sponsorship, participants in football could choose whether or not they partook of the sponsor's product.
I'm not anti-gambling and I would never expect the Leagues to turn away sponsorship. The gap between the Rules and the money coming in from the gambling industry is what irritates me.
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HarryC
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Jul 1, 2019, 12:17 PM
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The Isthmian League have announced that the new sponsor details, due today, will not now be released until next Monday 8th July
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Lionarm
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Too bad. They were the glue that held that league together.
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Mad Bill
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BetVictor
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dcuk
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Not a great start - all the leagues have had their website domain names changed to include the sponsors. Only the Southern League seem to have set a redirect in place with both the Isthmian and NPL websites (as found on Google) pointing to a Not Found page.
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Rootin' Tootin'
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Isthmian redirect working now.
Has anyone got any idea about the financials?
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ladderman
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Jul 8, 2019, 2:47 PM
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BetVictor Aoart the irony that a bookmaker is sponsor of a football league, they don't shoe odds for anything below Step 2.
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DaveH
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Jul 8, 2019, 3:05 PM
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They definitely do show odds for games below step 2.
Last season we (St Ives) were one of the clubs selected for 'trialling' their brand last year. i.e we had to advertise BetVictor on our website and put up their match odds for our games.
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Richard Rundle
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BetVictor Aoart the irony that a bookmaker is sponsor of a football league, they don't shoe odds for anything below Step 2. Perhaps it's more ironic that no one connected with any of the clubs or leagues involved in allowed to use the new sponsors' services.[/reply,] I think you can use their services (and any other horrible Internet bookmakers) for other sports and events, just not football.
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Gresleyprog
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I also find it ironic that no-one in an official position, player, Chairperson, Directors, management, website editor, PA person, committee person, kit man groundsperson etc, etc are allowed to bet on football down to step 4 (i believe) but the leagues gladly accept sponsorship from betting companies - kerching!! Double standards me thinks.
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paulh66
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Not a double standard at all, though it would be if a loophole allowed betting to compromise the integrity of a match.
The real problem with all this is the increased exposure that gambling will have, which will inevitably lead to more people losing more than they can afford and/or getting sucked into a seriously harmful addiction. For this reason there is an argument that gambling sponsorship of sport should go the same way as alcohol and tobacco sponsorship, and I can't understand why that argument isn't being won.
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