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Gricehead
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Jun 19, 2019, 3:05 PM

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The French DNCG (Direction Nationale du Contrôle de Gestion) - essentially the financial police of French Football are having a lot of fun at the moment. This season Coupe de l'Assemblée Générale Annuelle is looking particularly tasty, subject to a lot of appeals.

In Ligue 2 Sochaux and Nancy are set to be administratively relegated to National 1, reprieving relegation playoff losers Gazélec Ajaccio and 19th place Béziers.

In National 2, PSG have thrown in the towel on their reserve team, reprieving Monaco's reserve team from relegation who finished 14th in their group. The DNCG have administratively relegated FC Mantois, Jura Sud Foot and FC Martigues, potentially reprieving the other three 14th place finishers: Nîmes reserves, Haguenau and Furiani-Agliani

In National 3 Mulhouse have been denied promotion to National 2, which would promote Strasbourg reserves instead. Saint Nazaire are being dropped to Regional 1, reprieving Laval reserves. Besançon Foot are also dropped to Regional 1, reprieving rivals Racing Besançon (but see below).

Then there are the knock on effects of the demotions/reprieves from National 2 to National 3, which because National 3 is more regionalised than National 2 mean
Monaco reserves Reprieve: Bastelicaccia reprieved from N3D
Mantois relegation / Nîmes reserves reprieve: Agde reprieved from N3H but Brétigny relegated from N3L
Jura Sud relegation / Haguenau reprieve: Sarreguemines reprieved from N3F but Racing Besancon, reprieved above, relegated again from N3E

Then the regional DNCG boards are currently vetting the teams qualifying teams from their Regional 1 divisions. Only two have published results to date:
Bourgogne-Franche-Comté: Roche-Novillars, Sens and Valdahon-Vercel all pass
Mediterranée: ROS Menton refused promotion, Carnoux FC refused promotion and relegated to District 1 (level of their reserve team). Replacements identified as EUGA Ardziv and US Mandelieu

More to come, that's for sure.


Gricehead
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Jun 25, 2019, 4:13 PM

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AC Ajaccio were today also added to the list of teams administratively relegated, subject to appeal. So all three teams relegated from Ligue 2 due to their league position could theoretically be reprieved.


Gricehead
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Jun 25, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Today's news from the amateur version of the DNCG is that Tours are administratively relegated to N3 after being relegated on the field from N1 to N2. They will take their reserve team's place at N3, and theoretically Feignies-Aulnoye will be reprieved in N2 and subsequently Senlis reprieved in N3.

Also Athlético Marseille are administratively relegated to N3, causing the reprieve of CA Pontarlier at N2, and utter chaos to descend in N3, where Bastelicaccia will be re-re-relegated to fit AM in, and another team could be reprieved from the Bourgogne-Franche-Comté group, which is already in disarray.

All subject to appeals, of course.

Not surprisingly, the FFF have given themselves additional time to sort all this out before publishing the groups for N1, N2 and N3 next month. They probably need a lie down, like me.


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Jun 28, 2019, 10:28 PM

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If Chambly are playing most of their games in Beauvais this season, and Red Star would have to remain there if reprieved, then the Stade Pierre Brisson seems a little overused



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Gricehead
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Jul 3, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Nancy, Mantes, Martigues and Besançon all won their appeals today, so won't be relegated.


Gricehead
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Jul 9, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Seems the DNCG were being overeager this year.

Sochaux and Jura Sud Foot both appealed successfully against relegation. Mulhouse appealed successfully against being denied promotion.

AC Ajaccion, Tours and Athlético Marseille still await outcomes.


Gricehead
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Seems the DNCG were being overeager this year.

Sochaux and Jura Sud Foot both appealed successfully against relegation. Mulhouse appealed successfully against being denied promotion.

AC Ajaccion, Tours and Athlético Marseille still await outcomes.


Ajaccio successful, Tours and Athlético Marseille not successful. The latter two will play in National 3.

Saint Nazaire also unsuccessful on appeal and will play in R1.


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I am not surprised by the DNCG verdicts this summer.

The process of verification of budgets and accounts is aimed at ensuring clubs' financial viability. Clubs that 'fail' their first audition and are consequently sanctioned are not only entitled to bring new tangible elements to 'appeal' but effectively encouraged to do so - the first audition is not intended to be final. A player sale, new sponsors, monies from owners and/or local authorities - all are among perfectly legitimate elements to bring to the 'appeal'. Without new elements there is little likelihood in a DNCG 'appeal' succeeding.

There is no equivalent in England to the DNCG summer validations. If there was it is likely that Bolton Wanderers, Bury and Notts County would have been in the first instance demoted one or several levels this summer. The takeover at Notts County and reported clearing of all debts would have presumably satisfied a DNCG on 'appeal'.

In France a date is set in stone after which no club can be 'sacrificed' because of a verdict delivered by a TA. That date this summer was set at 17th July. Thus I understand that if either Tours or Athletico Marseille (or indeed Furiani-Agliani who have appealed against the rules that resulted in their relegation) succeed in getting reinstated at level 4 for 2019-20 their division would run with an additional club.


Gricehead
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La Charité have been successful at CNOSF, so there is an expectation that the National 3 Bourgogne-Franche-Comté group (E) will operate with 15 clubs.

Tours have been unsuccessful at CNOSF, and will now have to resort to the administrative court for redress.

Two other clubs (in addition to Athlético Marseille and Furiani-Agliani) are in the midst of CNOSF hearings: Limoges, to stay in N3 and Carnoux FC to gain promotion to N3. Additionally, FC Balagne, Bastelicaccia and Brétigny are all considering options to overturn DNCG decision that have directly or indirectly affected them.

 
 


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