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Despite the number of teams to play in the finals in 2022 is still up for a vote at the next FIFA meeting, on June 5th, the draw has been made for the first round of Asian Qualification, to be played on June 6th and 11th.

The first two rounds of Asian Qualification are also used in qualification for the 2023 Asian Cup. No decision has yet been reached as to the venue of the latter competition, with the two bidders being China and South Korea.

Timor Leste are banned from Asian Cup 2023 for their ineligible players in the last World/Asian Cup qualifications, but FIFA did not extend the ban to the World Cup. They are therefore included in the draw

Qatar need to qualify for the next Asian Cup, so they will be in the second round draw, as will China and South Korea (for World Cup qualification) while one will host the Asian Cup

The draw is
Mongolia v Brunei
Macau v Sri Lanka
Laos v Bangladesh
Malaysia v Timor Leste
Cambodia v Pakistan and
Bhutan v Guam

The draw is seeded, with the higher seeded teams shown first (so I assume home in the first leg). Guam are the team most likely to beat the seeding.



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The first match of qualification for World Cup 2022 starts less than an hour after I post this.

The match is Mongolia v Brunei.
Mongolian coach Michael Weiss appears to be preparing excuses early, saying that Brunei are a good team, that playing away in a humid country for the second leg does not suit and that Brunei include two Singaporeans in the squad.

Brunei, under coach Robert Servais appear to have bigger problems, as it is reported that no less than nine players, all members of the DPMM team have pulled out of his squad.

In the last four World Cups, Mongolia have lost out at this first stage in a two legged game. Brunei have played in only one of those four competitions, not entering for 2006 or 2010 and suspended by FIFA for 2014. Last time out, they also lost in the first round



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The first match ended Mongolia 2-0 Brunei
The first goalscorer was Norjmoogiin Tsedenbal, who plays for Ulanbaatar City, current league leaders in Mongolia
As second goal was added by Naranbold Nyam-Osor.

Four more games later today, and one tomorrow
Second legs are on Tuesday, when the number of teams in the World Cup reduced from 211 to 205!



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Today's other results
Cambodia 2-0 Pakistan: Late goals from Sieng Chanthea and Sokumpheak Kouch - looks like a big turnover of players in Cambodia. Only 3 of the players I saw for them in September 2017 played in this game

Laos 0-1 Bangladesh: Goal on 67 minutes from substitute Robiul Hasan - Hasan plays for Arambagh and does not have his 20th birthday until later this month

Macau 1-0 Sri Lanka: Played in China, as the Macau stadium is under renovation (probably so some Premier League side can play there next month). Filipe Duarte scored early in the second half. Duarte is a Benfica player, and veteran of the squad at 34. OK then, Benfica de Macau if you want to be accurate.

Bhutan 1-0 Guam: Tshering Dorji scoring in the first half - as the return leg kicks off early (by UK time), one of these two teams will have the "honour" (or honor it is Guam) of being the first team to be knocked out of the 2022 World Cup



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I saw the Mongolia and Bhutan games on Mycujoo. Brunei were very poor and created no chances , perhaps explained by the players pulling out.
Bhutan and Guam was a much better match with both teams creating chances. Wouldn't like to predict the result of the second leg. Apparently Guam have brought several players over from the USA. The match had English commentary done by an English manager who has just gone out to Bhutan, didn't catch his name or club. Big crowd (for Bhutan) at the Changlimithang National Stadium.



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The attendances I have seen listed are

Macau, (in Zuhai, China): 901
Mongolia: 1,685
Laos: 4,572
Bhutan: 8,000
Cambodia: 33,706



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Malaysia beat Timor Leste 7-1

Timor Leste (aka East Timor) are not finding life easy since they have been told they cannot sign 12 random Brazilians* to play for them.

Because of the ineligible players, they are actually banned from the Asian Cup, but not the World Cup. The officials concerned with bringing the players in were tried in local court as well as sporting sanctions, as they used falsified documents to gain nationality.

Meanwhile, with the second leg on Tuesday also to be played in Malaysia, I think we will wave goodbye to East Timor until the next World Cup

*It is possible that not all the 12 ineligible players were Brazilian



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Macau are refusing to travel to Sri Lanka for the second leg of their tie, citing the terrorist attack at Easter, and saying they are afraid for their security
Considering that FIFA and the AFC have not already moved it (and assuming Macau are accurate in stating they asked for a change a month ago), then we can expect the match to be forfeit - awarded 3-0 to Sri Lanka who then go through


As it happens, the FCO downgraded its advice to British citizens from avoiding travel to the island, to exercising caution while there.



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This message was followed by a list of every player in the squad and youth squads for Macau



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With the 2022 World Cup to be played later in the year, the dates available for qualifying games are changing.

As FIFA has given up on increasing the number of teams in the competition, the number of places for each confederation remains unchanged

That is
AFC (Asia): 4.5+Qatar
CAF (Africa): 5
CONCACAF: (N/C America + Caribbean): 3.5
CONMEBOL (S. America): 4.5
OFC (Oceania): 0.5
UEFA (Europe inc Israel and Kazakhstan): 13

".5" indicates a place in intercontinental play-offs

Expectation is that similar qualifying formats will be used to those for 2018, except changes in UEFA (small) and CONCACAF (major)

CAF - last time around, two rounds of knock out matches to reduce numbers to 20, then five groups of four with the top of each group qualifying. How this will fit in with a CAF Nations League remains to be seen. For that matter, whether or not the Nations League starts in Autumn 2019 is still open to conjecture

OFC - last time around, a preliminary round in a single venue followed by 8 teams playing the "OFC Nations League" in a single country. This was followed by two groups of three (home and away) and a final (home and away). It could be simplified depending on whether the countries still want a Nations League now it is not required as qualification for the Confederations Cup

CONMEBOL - have confirmed a home and away league for all ten members.

AFC - The formula appears to be the same as last time. The two legged ties this week reduce the field to 40 teams in 8 groups of 5, from which 12 teams make it to the next round. Qatar are included, despite being automatically included as this also qualifies for AFC 2023 in China. The final 12 play off in two groups of six for places in 2022. These are exempt from further qualification for 2023. If Qatar makes the 12 it is not clear whether they will play on, or give up their place to team 13. If they fail to make the 12, then they have to play on (in the lower groups) for a place at China 2023. Expect both China and Qatar to make the final 12.

CONCACAF - have yet to announce a revised format. This needs to fit in with the new CONCACAF Nations League which is expected to use the Autumn international dates this year.

UEFA - Certain to use a group format with ten groups of 5/6 teams playing through 2021. The Autumn 2020 dates will be used for the second edition of the Nations League with the final four play-off in Summer 2021, (the teams concerned playing in five team groups). The most likely further scenario I have seen is that the ten group runners-up and top two unqualified teams from Nations League will play in three separate knock out series in March 2022 for the final three places in Qatar.



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AFC - Qatar are included, despite being automatically included as this also qualifies for AFC 2023 in China.

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Would quite like it if they didn't finish in a position that would have meant qualification for their own tournament.

Still they could be Conmebol Copa America champions by then , they've got an easy qualification group in that !
Qatar instead of Mexico , makes sense .



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211. Bhutan

The first contender to be knocked out of competition for the 2022 World Cup is Bhutan, by virtue of being in the first match to complete it's second leg. The winners of the tie were Guam, who despite being 1-0 down from the first leg, cruised to a five goal win in the return. Hero was veteran Jason Cunliffe who scored a hat-trick. Working on wiki for detail, the Guam side does remain mainly on Guam born players (and those playing in the territory). I make it that four players play in the USA or Canada at the moment, and these four players are the ones listed as born in the USA or Jamaica.

There are four more matches today, and then the Sri Lanka v Macau result to be relayed by an AFC/FIFA decision.



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210. Brunei

2-0 down from the first leg in Mongolia, Brunei found hope in the first half of their game, and by the break, scores were level. Mongolia won a penalty at the start of the second period which as converted by Norjmoogiin Tsedenbal, (who already had scored the first goal of this World Cup). No further score, so Mongolia progress. Brunei were troubled by a number of players, all from the country's one professional club being missing from the squad. DPMM are current leaders of the Singapore League - checking the players in each game suggests that half the team were actually DPMM players with half from the local amateur league.

209. Timor Leste
No surprise here. Timor Leste were not playing in Dili and had to return to play a second leg at the Bukit Jalil stadium where they had lost 7-1 on Friday. This time they went down 5-1

208. Laos
The Laotians had lost their home leg by 1-0, so may see the scoreless second leg to be a credible result, but still enough to see Bangladesh through to the next round



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207. Pakistan.
Another team that cannot play at home for security reasons, and so this match was played in front of 300 people in Qatar. I am sure that Qatar has a quite large migrant Pakistani population, but it seems they cannot get to the game, (or do not care for it). 2-0 down from the away leg, Pakistan did pull back the deficit with a first half penalty, but then conceded two in the second period to go out by 4-1 on aggregate.

Today's attendances:
Pakistan: 300 (in Qatar)
Bangladesh: 7,453
Timor Leste: 12,776 (in Malaysia) - the first leg at the same stadium drew 4,244
Brunei: 17,210 (4% of the population)
Guam: 1,029




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As these matches doubled up as qualifiers for the World Cup and AFC Championships does this mean that the eliminated teams will play no competitive football for nearly 4 years, apart from their regional championships, which do not usually have qualifying rounds?



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Nothing in Asia is quite that simple.
Last time around, the six losing teams in this round, and the three which failed to make the qualication groups for Asian Cup 2019 were to play in the solidarity cup

Two of the nine (Bangladesh and Pakistan) decided they could not be bothered and the cup was played in Kuching, Sarawak (Malaysia) in the interests of making sure there was no local interest or pesky crowds to get in the way. The cup final was Nepal 1-0 Macau and was watched by a crowd of 157
The AFC then found that Guam chose not to continue in qualification for the Asian Cup, while Kuwait were under FIFA suspension, so they brought Nepal and Macau into the groups. Macau lost all six, Nepal managed two home draws (both 0-0) and lost the other four.
As for the Regional Cups, some are better than others.
There has been no West Asian FF Cup since 2014, but there may be one this year for 8 of the area's 12 countries (Iran are no longer in West Asia)
The Arabian Gulf Cup is not an official regional tournament - and has eight teams involved - all 8 are part of the 12 WAFF members
The CAFA (Central Asia) was formed in 2014, mainly at the bequest of Iran who were fed up of being in the same association as the Arab states, it consists of 6 countires, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Its inaugural championships were not held in 2018. Maybe they will get played this year, or maybe not
The South Asian FF Cup is played on a regular basis, with India hosting in 2015 and Bangladesh in 2018. Seven countries compete, (the 2015 tourney did not include Pakistan, mainly because it was played in India, while Afghanistan were winners in 2013, runners-up in 2011 and 2015 but are no longer of this region.The final in 2015 (which involved India) drew a 40,000 crowd. The crowd figures in Bangladesh were not recorded!

The East Asian FF Cup is also held on a regular basis with China, Japan and South Korea rotating as the hosts for the finals - this has two preliminary rounds. For the tournament to be held in SOuth Korea in December, the first Preliminary round was played in Mongolia in September last year. Mongolia finished ahead of Macau, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands. The second Preliminary round was in Taiwan in November and saw Hong Kong scrape through on goals scored to the finals. North Korea went into the final game against the hosts, needing a 3-0 win to get through, but were held to 2-0. It is not considered a major tournament by the combatants, but the final match in 2017 still managed to draw a crowd of 36,000 to see Japan beaten by South Korea
The only one of the five regional cups that is really taken seriously by all concerned is the ASEAN Cup. The format for last season's competition with two groups of five teams each having two home games generally brought in good crowds. The ASEAN FF has twelve members, but Australia do not really fit in and do not play the tournament. Brunei and Timor Leste played off to reduce the number of entrants to ten, with Timor Leste making it through, despite not playing in Dili.

Vietnam won the two-legged final, with home advantage in the second leg. 88,000 watched the first match in Malaysia, about half that in Vietnam. (which is much more than the official capacity of the stadium)



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Bhutan and Guam was a much better match with both teams creating chances. Wouldn't like to predict the result of the second leg. Apparently Guam have brought several players over from the USA. The match had English commentary done by an English manager who has just gone out to Bhutan, didn't catch his name or club.


It's a fellow called Josh Shepherd, who is manager of Thimphu City in the Bhutan Premier League.

He was of no great note as a player and switched to coaching in his early 20s, and while in England was involved with Wolverhampton Sporting Community, Tamworth, Haverhill Rovers, and Long Melford at different times.

 
 


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