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Wednesday 22nd May 2019

 



Dave 56
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May 22, 2019, 10:22 PM

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West Region Championship. KO 19:30. Admission £6/£3. No programme or Pie Hut. Crowd 300+ ?


Larkhall Thistle 0 v 2 St. Rochs

Another wonderful old ground with a large covered terrace on one side and open terracing on the other. Railed on all sides and with segregation in place for this match and several police in attendance.

Unfortunately the football didn't match the ground, the first half in particular was dreadful, poor crosses and misplaced passes. The visitors were the better side, which was no surprise as Larkhall are bottom and already relegated.St. Rochs broke the deadlock in the opening minutes of the second half and although Thistle had a few chances, they never really looked like scoring. The visitors added the second with about 5 minutes to go and by then the home terrace was nearly empty.

Great ground, poor game. Good to catch up with some of the Scottish lads and I am sure prorege will add his observations in due course.


Andy D
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May 22, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Blacon Youth Club 1 Malpas 0 (at Upton AA), Chester District FA Cup Final, Att: 190, Admission: £2, Prog: Free A4 Teamsheet


The M60 and a solid M6 persuaded me that the Wigan Amateur League title decider at Newton Harrock United wasn't an option and so Plan B was put into operation - a revisit to the Cheshire County Sports Ground home of Upton AA for this game which never really got above scrappy mainly thanks to a hard bobbly pitch which made keeping the ball on the ground almost impossible. Blacon won thanks to an early deflected shot from the edge of the box and although they also struck a post midway through the second period, chances were few and far between. Malpas had a very good claim for a penalty ten minutes from time but the referee didn't see the blatant push on a Malpas striker about to pull the trigger and to be honest, it probably saved the healthy crowd from having to suffer another 30 minutes. Blacon celebrated a very successful season at the end, with three cup wins and promotion to the Cheshire League Premier Division, while Malpas head in the other direction, having been relegated. Upton's ground is neat, mostly railed off with wooden post and rail a dugout on each side and a small seated stand for 40 or so. There is a cricket pitch behind one goal and beyond that, three all weather cages, one for hockey and two for football, one of which is used by Cheshire League newcomers Newton Athletic and which has a small amount of open terraced bench seating.



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Cleeve
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May 22, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Bromley & South London League - Premier Division
Meridian Sports v Red Velvet 'A' 1-2 (ht 0-2)
Venue: 3G Pitch, Meridian Sports & Social Club, Charlton Park Lane, Charlton; kickoff 1930hrs
Entry: Free, no programme
Attendance: h/c 82

An eventful evening saw the top two teams go toe to toe and their supporters go fist to fist. Both teams started on 33 points with Meridian marginally ahead on goal difference but with only one game left to play. Red Velvet had a game in hand but seemed to believe that they only needed a draw to win the title.

The first half was all Red with Meridian offering nothing up front and the visitors scoring twice through excellent strikes from distance. The second half was a complete reversal with Red Velvet seemingly sitting back and the home team transformed into an dominant attacking force. They also favoured the spectacular long shots and struck the bar twice early on before finally pulling one back. Meridian continued to pile on the pressure as the tension mounted and abusive language was exchanged between rival fans and at least one of the away management team. With four minutes of added time already played, due to injuries and cramps, some of the visiting supporters moved round and attacked one or more of the home crowd. This took some time to quell but by then the players and benches were rushing to the cage exit to join in. It looked like the game might be abandoned but after six minutes we restarted. Another 3 or 4 minutes of play took us to 2138hrs before the referee ended proceedings and I didn't wait around to see the aftermath!

The venue has a rather rundown clubhouse, but this seems to be well patronised and was selling hot food as well the usual bar drinks. The 3g cage is on the opposite side of the clubhouse to the main pitch. It has floodlights but no spectator facilities. In fact, supporters were prevented from entering the cage which, considering what happened tonight, was just as well. This was certainly an unusual end to a season.


codofthenorth
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May 23, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Auchinleck 2-0 Pollok....Adm £6....Prog: No....Cuppa tea 80p
Secured from work early with the A82 busy this week for one reason or another,still got to Auchinleck early enough to chill for a while.
Should really have made the most of the time available and headed further south for the game at Moffat College.
A decent crowd on tonight as two of the Leagues top teams met, nothing riding on this one but pride.The Bot sored a goal in each half to get the points,the second a penalty.The Club shop was busy meeting orders for Club merchandise before the Junior Cup final at Hamilton.
The ground as tidy as ever, many of the kids in the ground didnt watch the game,they had a game of their own on the bank by the Main Stand.
Great scenes at the end as the League Champions trophy was presented,went on the pitch to take a few phots and to congratulate Mr Sloan on another success. A bit cool tonight but after two weeks out Bahrain that may be the reason.Cracking run back to Fleetwood,A70 and M74 barely a car to be seen.May nip back up here friday for a Amateur Cup final and watch a game Sat as well.Cant beat Scotland for football this time of year.



So Many Grounds....So little time!!


Chelsea Spud
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May 23, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Was also at this and agree with CotN observations. You must have been the chap I saw in club shop beforehand. (Bought a mug). Anyhow was good to catch up with Auchinleckian and thank you for showing me around the old trophies and football shirts and memorabilia, and for half time cuppa. The club shop is a Aladdins cave of programmes books mugs etc and worth a visit on its own. I stayed for quite a while afterwards nearly one of the last to leave this great ground. All the best to the future of this great club and thanks once again for the tour.


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prorege
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May 23, 2019, 10:20 AM

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West Juniors Championship
Larkhall Thistle v St Rochs, 0-2, H.T. 0-0, Att, c500, Admission £6, No paper, No refreshments
At Gasworks Park, Larkhall

This may have been a dead rubber end of season league fixture but in the pre-historic world of the West of Scotland it carried great significance. This match is “Rangers v Celtic” on a smaller scale. Larkhall is the most staunch of the staunch, and St Rochs represent a left-wing, anti-establishment, Irish- orientated culture.

The police had insisted on segregation. The Candy fans were on the far side and entered through a rarely used gate at that side. The home fans were on the covered terracing side. Everybody seemed to respect this with neutrals like myself able to move between the two areas. The arrangements also meant no catering on the night – it would have bene unfair to feed the home fans only, so with no outlet on the far side everybody had to go hungry. In reality it would not have been fair to segregate the ground and have different facilities in each area. Portaloos had been hired in for the away fans.

St Rochs were the better side and deserved their win – their first at Gasworks Park since 1984 and only the third in their history. Larkhall put a spirited fight and were infinitely better than earlier in the season. Indeed, if the referee hadn’t failed to show a stonewall red card to a St Rochs player midway through the second half then the result could have been different.

The 200 Candy fans were in party mood with quite a few in fancy dress. 3rd prize goes to Yasser Arafat and his massive Palestinian flag; Second prize (for bravery) goes to His Holiness the Pope with the Vatican flag; First prize goes to the chap dressed in full PIRA military fatigues complete with black beret and balaclava. Perhaps it is just as well segregation was in place.

The home fans – or rather the off duty Rangers fans – could only respond with their usual sectarian chants – no originality at all from them.

Gasworks Park is probably now the best old-skool Junior ground in Scotland. When others have undergone some upgrades, Gasworks Park has had none.

I suspect programmes are a thing of the past. They used to be very regular issuers but I didn’t see the bloke that did them at this game. They haven’t issued much this season and with various committee changes I think he may have moved on.

Got a tweet later in the evening from a mate who had travelled by train reporting some anti-social behaviour from the locals who were attempting to intercept the St Rochs supporters bus as it left town. “Much blue lights and sirens” he reported.

Excellent turn out of enthusiasts from East and West, and indeed a few from England, who all seemed to enjoy the entertainment on a fine sunny evening.


paulh66
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May 23, 2019, 11:28 AM

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West Juniors Championship
Larkhall Thistle v St Rochs, 0-2, H.T. 0-0, Att, c500, Admission £6, No paper, No refreshments

I suspect programmes are a thing of the past. They used to be very regular issuers but I didn’t see the bloke that did them at this game. They haven’t issued much this season and with various committee changes I think he may have moved on.


Although they didn't issue last Saturday either (I didn't enquire why) they gave me the distinct impression that, more often than not, they do issue. I was offered a programme from the previous game but declined, and also saw a tweet of a hopper who visited there last month with a programme in hand.


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leohoenig
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May 23, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Swiss Super League
FC Thun 1-2 FC Basel
Admission: Comp. Attendance: 5,151. Programme: Free


And so to Thun. This is the only top-level game this two-week tour, so clearly one of the highlights of the trip. Thun itself is indeed a highlight. It is a remarkably compact city with a historic castle close to the centre and pleasant areas by the riverside. There is a natural island in the middle of the river, which is mainly a shopping area, with the older town to one side of the waterway, closer to the castle. With a lake (loch if anyone Scottish is reading) nearby, and mountains in the near distance in many directions, this is also a good centre for touring

The Arena Thun was opened in 2011 as a new stadium for FC Thun Berner Oberland. The stadium is now known as the Stockhorn Arena after sponsorship from the company that runs the cable car service up to Stockhorn. Before moving there, FC Thun had a problem – there old stadium was considered no longer up to Swiss League standards and the local population had voted against funding a new stadium. [In Switzerland, such decisions are often decided by a local referendum]. Hence, they were happy to take the option presented of a private company building the stadium, and am out of town shopping centre next to it. The result is two bland concrete and steel constructions facing each other across a broad walkway. The way to tell them apart is that the shopping centre is bigger than the football stadium.

This is, of course a bit unfair as from inside, the stadium is everything it needs to be, with room for 10,000 to have good viewing lines to the pitch. It is a single tier all the way around with the hospitality suites above the stand on the West side.

On a warm night, the wide concourse outside is being used for a number of franchised food and drink options, with some seating. Considering that the offerings inside are in the most utilitarian surroundings, with the base of the concrete steps above you, this is a better option and many home fans appeared to delay entering the ground until the final fifteen minutes. The Basel fans were had already been there is numbers and singing away well before this.

As the game was important, FC Thun may be disappointed that the ground was little more than half full. Midweek games in Switzerland, as in England do tend to suffer from a drop in attendance and I cannot help but wonder whether making this a premium priced game worked against the club. Most tickets are CHF8 (£6) more expensive for this match, than for those not involving either Basel or Young Boys. That means a seat behind the goal would cost CHF40 (£30) and along the sides at least CHF52 (£40). Fortunately for me, I managed to obtain accreditation.

This also allowed me to get some insight on how things are here in Switzerland. FC Thun, a middle ranking top division club had a budget of CHF 6.8 million (about £5.2 million). This compares to UEFA figures that show the average wage bill for Swiss clubs to be €15.6 million (£13.8 million). My feeling is that with the exception of European money, there will not be a great difference between income and expenditure levels in the top level. Thun may be a little lower as they are not quite attracting the support that other clubs have.

It needs to be understood that the club figure given to me would be current season, whereas the most recent figures published by UEFA would be two years old. In terms of income, Swiss clubs still rely on individual abilities to attract money. Looking at UEFA figures for the league as a whole, roughly equal amounts (29/31%) are generated from match day income and sponsorship/commercial streams. The TV deal in Switzerland is not good, and only brings in 6% of the league’s income, while 17% comes from UEFA itself. The remaining 17% is down as other income, which can be a variety of sources depending on each countries’ accounting practices. When the figure is large, it is likely to include direct funding from ownership, (when low, direct funding is generally included in the sponsorship/commercial sections). Overall, the average income of Swiss top division clubs was around €24 million

Into this mix comes the UEFA funding. Using the current year figures as a guide, Young Boys entered the Champions League in the final play-off, won this and then finished bottom of their group with four points. This earned at least €19 million. FC Basel, second place in the league played and lost in the second qualifying round of the Champions League, and the fourth qualifying round of the Europa League, which earns them €960,000. As Cup winners, FC Zurich had direct entry to the Europa League group stage. They picked up ten points and lost to Napoli in the first knock out game. This is worth €5.8 million. Sankt Gallen and Luzern entered the Europa League in the second and third qualifying rounds, and lost first time out will have picked up €260,000 and €280,000 respectively. Some of these figures will be boosted from market pools

I think this makes the point. In a league showing average income per club of €23.2 million, Young Boys which already has the highest profile (with FC Basel) and so can pick up the most in Commercial and match day income, receives an additional €19 million from UEFA.

Just the differences in match day and commercial income puts Young Boys and Basel way ahead of the rest in ability to finance the team. The UEFA money means Young Boys do not have just an edge, but a precipice between them and the rest.

For FC Thun, the main chance came at the weekend when they played FC Basel in the Swiss Cup Final. Winning that would have put them directly into the Europa League group stage, and even without the successes of Zurich last season, they would make around €3 million. With the cup going to Basel, (who have already secured the same Champions League qualifying berth they had last time), it is league placings that decide the Europa League places.

The middle of the league is very tight. At the start of the evening, Young Boys (as Champions) and Basel had confirmed Champions League places, Grasshoppers had confirmed relegation and Xamax Neuchatel looked certain to fill the play-off place. The other six were fighting for the three Europa League places, with only four points between them. FC Thun were in fourth, a point behind Lugano who were to only team outside the top two with a positive goal difference!

Before the game, there was a celebration of Nelson Ferreira, who had played most of his career at Thun and will retire at the end of the season. Thun started the game looking eager to wipe clean the memories of the cup defeat and hence get closer to securing their Europa League place.
For all their possession, and around a thousand corners during the game, (well, 11 anyway), Thun did not actually manage many clear chances. In the first half, FC Basel also could not create many chances, but those they did get appeared to be a little closer to breaking the deadlock.

Half time was reached at 0-0, the Basel fans having done most of the singing, and probably had a little more to sing about. The deadlock was broken just after the hour mark, with a move down the right wing ending with a shot from Basel’s Aldo Kalulu. Faivre in the Thun goal could only parry this out, into the path of Samuele Campo who did not miss this simple chance.
Thun appeared to have a chance when they levelled with 15 minutes to play. Again, the play was down the right wing, followed by a low cross. The first Thun player made to make a mighty strike at the ball, (which had happened a couple of times before, with the ball flying very high and wide), but he missed the ball completely. It ran to Moreno Constanzo, who took more time, controlling the ball before directing it just inside the post.

I think Thun were not sure whether to stick or twist. A point looked good but was not really enough, a late substitution was slow, but the team was still committing players forward. Two minutes before the added time board was due, a Thun attack broke down and Basel had three against two on the counter. The ball ended up with Kevin Bua, and although he allowed defenders to get goal side of him while turning, his shot evaded them and Basel had regained the lead.

Five minutes of injury time did not bring any further change, while results elsewhere meant Thun had dropped to 6th place, below the Europa League placings. Luzern are third (46 pts) after a 3-0 win over Zurich, (last week they had confirmation that the scoreline stood from when their game against Grasshoppers was abandoned, they won that 4-0). Lugano and St. Gallen (after a 4-1 win over the champions, Young Boys) on 45, Thun, Sion and Zurich on 43. Sion’s win came from a behind closed doors game at Grasshoppers following the incidents that resulted in the game against Luzern being abandoned.

At the end of the game, the Basel team celebrated in front of their fans, most of who appeared to be wearing T-shirts celebrating the cup win at the weekend. The Thun team paraded a giant team shirt around the field and were applauded generously by the home fans. Outside, as I waited for the shuttle bus, the mass of Basel fans appeared to be marching en masse back to the stadium, with police escort front and rear. I am guessing they had to walk all the way back to town, which was shown as over 30 minutes on my phone.

I was happier on the bus, which is free for match ticket holders or people staying in local hotels. At the station, there was also a heavy police presence, and even a water cannon hidden around the corner just in case of problems.

In the context of the match, this appeared a lot for supporters whose only disobedience during the game was to keep lighting flares despite requests not to. The requests were merely that, with a mention that their club would be fined for their indiscretions. No stewards or police even went close to the area to try and identify culprits. Considering that the fine after the Grasshoppers game was abandoned was only CHF 30,000 (£23,000), I don’t think anyone worries much about that for a flare or two.

Thun now need to win at Sion on Saturday, and hope that at least one of the trio above them loses. For Sion, exactly the same applies



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auchinleckian
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May 23, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Was also at this and agree with CotN observations. You must have been the chap I saw in club shop beforehand. (Bought a mug). Anyhow was good to catch up with Auchinleckian and thank you for showing me around the old trophies and football shirts and memorabilia, and for half time cuppa. The club shop is a Aladdins cave of programmes books mugs etc and worth a visit on its own. I stayed for quite a while afterwards nearly one of the last to leave this great ground. All the best to the future of this great club and thanks once again for the tour.


For an end of season game with nothing to play for but pride this was a surprisingly competitive game. It was also Talbot's ninth game in the last 24 days - all of them won with just the one goal conceded. That's20 wins and 1 draw from our last 21 league games. 18 points behind Hurlford at one stage due to our senior Scottish Cup commitments (and looking forward to this again next season again) we became champions last Wednesday when Rob Roy beat Hurlford and Talbot won 5-0 at Troon. From being 18 points behind, we are now 8 points clear at the top, and with two games remaining to Hurlford's none we can finish 14 points clear if we win them both.

Really good to meet up with Chelsea Spud for a good chinwag, and also Cod of the North - if it was you buying the mug?


codofthenorth
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Was also at this and agree with CotN observations. You must have been the chap I saw in club shop beforehand. (Bought a mug). Anyhow was good to catch up with Auchinleckian and thank you for showing me around the old trophies and football shirts and memorabilia, and for half time cuppa. The club shop is a Aladdins cave of programmes books mugs etc and worth a visit on its own. I stayed for quite a while afterwards nearly one of the last to leave this great ground. All the best to the future of this great club and thanks once again for the tour.


For an end of season game with nothing to play for but pride this was a surprisingly competitive game. It was also Talbot's ninth game in the last 24 days - all of them won with just the one goal conceded. That's20 wins and 1 draw from our last 21 league games. 18 points behind Hurlford at one stage due to our senior Scottish Cup commitments (and looking forward to this again next season again) we became champions last Wednesday when Rob Roy beat Hurlford and Talbot won 5-0 at Troon. From being 18 points behind, we are now 8 points clear at the top, and with two games remaining to Hurlford's none we can finish 14 points clear if we win them both.

Really good to meet up with Chelsea Spud for a good chinwag, and also Cod of the North - if it was you buying the mug?

Guilty as charged Auchinleckian…..Another mug to the collection. I've a load of Scottish programmes you can have for your memorabilia shop that I'll have in the boot the next time I'm passing. Good to fleeting meet you and Spud, didnt realise I was in the company of TK parish posters. Dont remember seeing your shop there on my recent visits but worth a look in. Enjoy Beith and the final of the Scottish Cup....always worth a visit to Auchinleck, never been there when theres been no bunting flying, great community feel to the place.



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lovin spoonful
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Plymouth & West Devon League (Sunday Division 1)
ACTIVATE 2nds 7-3 INTER PLYMOUTH

After my intended game at Jennycliff was awarded to Navy Inn Sunday after 2nd place Revelstoke couldn't raise a team, the only other option was this game.
Although played on a Wednesday, it was a true Sunday League effort.
Activate are located at Eggbuckland College in Plymouth and with fifteen minutes before the 6.30 kick off most of the players were ambling up across the fields to where the pitch was. Goalposts were carried up and placed on a pitch which wasn't marked out properly. The distance from the goal post to the six yard line was the same as from the six yard line to the eighteen yard line although from the corner it seemed ok. The pitch was on the field being used for sports day as an eight lane running track overlapped the pitch.
Players and the referee had a lackadaisical attitude and nothing was rushed. The nets were put up in a haphazard fashion which the referee like a teacher had to put right. I don't think he stepped up from walking to jogging in the whole game.
Two goals were scored before the two missing corner flags were put in place.
The pitch is open with good views of Plymouth but no furniture save from an all weather cricket wicket where players bags were dumped. No other hard standing.
The home side took the lead with a low shot after 95 seconds and were 2-0 up from a close range header after 9 minutes.
Bottom of the table Inter had all their players playing in different positions but whether Activate did is unclear, however their shooting was woeful.
An honest linesman awarded Inter a goal a minute after the break but Activate notched a third after 59 minutes from another close range header.
A three yard effort made it 4-1 after 68 and nine minutes later a 6 yard header made it 5-1.
A tap in made it 5-2 after 80 and another close range header turned the score to 6-2 after 84. A six yard shot made it 6-3 inside 60 seconds and a speculative effort from the half way line in the 91st minute made the score 7-3.
My quest for a goal average of 5 is a bit healthier but still need at least three from the remaining games (on top of the normal 5!)



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R.S.Cavendish
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Leo. A confession. I played at the old FC Thun way back in 1964. I was in goal for Kent Schools in a tournament, the details of which have been lost in the mists of time.


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SR Almancilense 0-1 FC Ferreiras
Algrave Cup Final
Estadio Algarve
Admission:free
Att.800ish

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