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hawkwind
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Talk of establishing a three-tier league structure.

This published on the Bert Kassies site

Among contentious questions:

40 teams directly qualified from previous season's European competition, 88 teams from domestic leagues;

League 1 group stage of 14 matches.


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Looks like a gruesome set up only which hopefully is not passed
Before that, we will have the three UEFA Competitions starting in 2021 - but the idea of large scale qualification from UEFA competitions, and the reduction in importance this creates for domestic football can only start in 2024



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The plans for 2024 are still a long way from being settled. My hope is that the leading clubs in the biggest leagues decided to veto the idea as the devaluation to their own domestic league will lead to a greater loss in revenue that the increased European income. No doubt the threat can be used (again) to increase the shares for the "Big Six" against those of the rest of the Premier League. Remember that there are plenty of us that can remember when teams such as Everton and Newcastle were members of the elite top group, while Spurs and Manchester City were not.

Before that, we have the introduction of the three tier European competition in 2021. UEFA have not officially stated how it works, but the access list https://kassiesa.net/...uefa-access-list.pdf is likely to be close to the true state. I will return to the implications of this later.

Meanwhile 2019-20 is the second year of the current three year cycle, with the 2018-19 season completed we know the state of play for the new season and the entry points for clubs in each competition.

England stay second in the five year table, which means they keep four places in the Champions League (group), two in the Europa League (group) and one Europa League (Second qual).

Scotland have risen from 26th to 20th. This makes no difference in the Champions League (still starting at 1Q), but saves the top ranked Europa League team (nominally cup winners) from one round of qualifying

Wales rise from 50th to 48th - which makes no difference to their status

Northern Ireland drop from 49th to 52nd, which is devastating. They will lose one Europa League place and the other two Europa League teams will start at the Preliminary round. This season, as Cup winners, Crusaders do not play in that round. In the Champions League, they will have to play in the preliminary round.

As the Champions League preliminaries are in Kosovo this year, and were in Gibraltar last time, it can be expected that either Andorra or San Marino stage them in 2020, but Northern Ireland can also try to hold them. Gibraltar are out of the equation as they no longer have to play at this round, having risen to 51st.

I wait for confirmation that N. Ireland lose a club in the Europa League; it occurs to me that the size of the Gibraltar League may mean that UEFA do not give it an extra place.



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From 2021, we get the new three divisions, Champions League, Europa League 1 and Europa League 2.

Each has a 32 team group structure, so there will be 16 more teams at group level. The number of entries into European football for each country does not change - and it is possible that any country, (except Liechtenstein) can have group representation in any of the three competitions.

Champions League remains much as per now. 32 teams at the group stage, 26 that do not have qualifying games. 15 of the 32 will be league champions (unchanged, figure includes the Champions League winners). Of these 11 do not have to qualify (again including the holders), while every other champion gets to compete in qualification for the last four slots.

The non champions path is also the same. There are 17 slots of which 15 are pre-determined, with three clubs each from countries 1-4, one from countries 5/6 and the Europa League holders. Should the Europa League holder already hold a place in the Champions League, then the third placed club in country 5 (2019 = Lyon, France) gets the place.

One team each from countries ranked from 5 to 15 compete for the final two non-champions places.

Europa League 1 is a lot different from Europa League 2020-21.
The number of pre-determined slots is reduced to 12, this is two each from countries 1-5, one from country 6 and the holders of Europa League 2. If the holder of Europa League 2 is qualified for this, or higher competition, then I am not sure who gets the place.

There are a guaranteed four places for League champions, which is the consolation for the four Champions League teams knocked out in the final round of qualifying.

There are also group places for the two non-champions knocked out of the play-off round of the Champions League, and for the four clubs who lose out in the third qualifying round.

This one requires double note. A non-Champion club which enters the Champions League and gets knocked out in the third qualifying round goes direct to the Europa League 1 group stage (four clubs), but a Champion knocked out at the same stage (six clubs) goes into a play-off for a place in either Europa League 1 or Europa League 2.

This does however mean that the number of League champions (includes Champions League holders) guaranteed to be at some level of group stage is up to 25. 15 in the Champions League (11 direct, 4 qualified), 4 Europa League 1 (losers in Champions League play off round) and six in either Europa League 1 or 2 (losers in Champions League 3Q, then dependent on Europa League Play-off). I will increase this number again as I drop down the levels!! The final number is 35.

The Europa League 1 has a shorter qualification period, starting at 3Q.
There will be eight match-ups in this round and they are separated into Champions and non-Champions streams. Five ties, ten teams are for the Champions knocked out from Champions League Q2, the other three ties are for three non-champion teams knocked out from Champions League Q2 and three teams finshing third place in countries 13-15.

The eight winners from Europa League 1, Q3, along with the six losers from Champions League Q3 (Champions path) and six third place teams (countries 7-12) are mixed together in the play off round to either make up the ten teams required to fill Europa League 1, with the ten losers entering Europa League 2. Eleven of the 20 teams required for these ties are League champions.



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Moving onto Europa League 2

No one pre-qualifies for the group stage - that bit is simple.

The make up of the group stage is
10 teams knocked out of Europa League 1, play-off stage which includes a minimum of one, and a maximum of ten league champions.

Five more league champions
Seventeen other teams that are not league champions

All twenty league champions knocked out in the preliminary or first qualifying round of the Champions League enter Europa League 2 at the second qualifying stage (without a try for Europa League 1).

After two rounds, they are joined at the final qualifying round stage by five league champion teams knocked out from 3Q or Europa League 1, This quintet were all knocked out of the Champions League at Q2 stage. The five winners of this round enter the group stage

The number of entries into European Competition per country and ranking is not changed from the current system. This means there is no need for a preliminary round, but otherwise similar to what we have now.

There will be one English entry to Europa League 2 - and they will start their quest in the final round of qualification. Based on current rankings, all three Scottish teams would start at 2Q, while Welsh and Northern Irish have to start one round earlier



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The plans for 2024 are still a long way from being settled. My hope is that the leading clubs in the biggest leagues decided to veto the idea as the devaluation to their own domestic league will lead to a greater loss in revenue that the increased European income. No doubt the threat can be used (again) to increase the shares for the "Big Six" against those of the rest of the Premier League. Remember that there are plenty of us that can remember when teams such as Everton and Newcastle were members of the elite top group, while Spurs and Manchester City were not.

Before that, we have the introduction of the three tier European competition in 2021. UEFA have not officially stated how it works, but the access list https://kassiesa.net/...uefa-access-list.pdf is likely to be close to the true state. I will return to the implications of this later.

Meanwhile 2019-20 is the second year of the current three year cycle, with the 2018-19 season completed we know the state of play for the new season and the entry points for clubs in each competition.

England stay second in the five year table, which means they keep four places in the Champions League (group), two in the Europa League (group) and one Europa League (Second qual).

Scotland have risen from 26th to 20th. This makes no difference in the Champions League (still starting at 1Q), but saves the top ranked Europa League team (nominally cup winners) from one round of qualifying

Wales rise from 50th to 48th - which makes no difference to their status

Northern Ireland drop from 49th to 52nd, which is devastating. They will lose one Europa League place and the other two Europa League teams will start at the Preliminary round. This season, as Cup winners, Crusaders do not play in that round. In the Champions League, they will have to play in the preliminary round.

As the Champions League preliminaries are in Kosovo this year, and were in Gibraltar last time, it can be expected that either Andorra or San Marino stage them in 2020, but Northern Ireland can also try to hold them. Gibraltar are out of the equation as they no longer have to play at this round, having risen to 51st.

I wait for confirmation that N. Ireland lose a club in the Europa League; it occurs to me that the size of the Gibraltar League may mean that UEFA do not give it an extra place.


Gibraltar is moving to a one league setup in 2019/20



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T P Johnson
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At their meeting in Baku UEFA decided that all countries 51 -55 will have 2 EL reps. At the moment 51 has 3 and 55 only 1. From that season all those 4 countries will have 2 plus the 1 in the CL .
Sorry this of course is from season 2021-22



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(This post was edited by T P Johnson on Jun 17, 2019, 1:37 PM)


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So that will in fact be in the new "EL2".
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/...thod5/crank2020.html

This is the ranking table, to which points earned in 2019/20 are added to form the table for qualification for the 2021/2 competition.

San Marino looks to be the country that will gain form this change, with the Faroes likely to miss out. Gibraltar's ranking having taken them up to the dizzy heights of 47th



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At their meeting in Baku UEFA decided that all countries 51 -55 will have 2 EL reps. At the moment 51 has 3 and 55 only 1. From that season all those 4 countries will have 2 plus the 1 in the CL .
Sorry this of course is from season 2021-22



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Liechtenstein only get one representative as well (national cup winners)l and they are ranked 31st in the current UEFA rankings



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At their meeting in Baku UEFA decided that all countries 51 -55 will have 2 EL reps. At the moment 51 has 3 and 55 only 1. From that season all those 4 countries will have 2 plus the 1 in the CL .
Sorry this of course is from season 2021-22



Tim Johnson


Liechtenstein only get one representative as well (national cup winners)l and they are ranked 31st in the current UEFA rankings


I do not think that is about to change, as of course, the seven clubs from the Principality all play in the Swiss pyramid.

They still manage 15 teams in the Cup

Of the seven, all except Vaduz entered their second string as well in 2018-19, while USV Eschen/Mauren and FC Balzers also entered their third XI.

In the 28 seasons since Liechtenstein started having European representation, Vaduz have been the team on 24 occasions. I saw the first leg of the Cup Winners Cup tie in 1995, when Vaduz were beaten 5-0 by Hradec Kralove (it ended 14-1 on aggregate).



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From 2021, we get the new three divisions, Champions League, Europa League 1 and Europa League 2.

Each has a 32 team group structure, so there will be 16 more teams at group level.


Reasonable idea to add Group Stage football for another 16 clubs but do you have any idea why UEFA have chosen to do it in this cumbersome way?

My biggest dislike of the current system is the small percentage of Group Stage places allocated to teams beginning in the Europa qualifying rounds - 13 of 140+.

Wouldn't increasing the Europa Group Stage to 64 clubs, allocating the 16 extra places to clubs setting out in the Europa qualifying rounds be more sensible?

A third competition could then be the 'European Plate' reserved for the 16 ECL non-qualifiers for the knock out stages post-Christmas.

Just a thought.

 
 


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