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ladderman
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So there's not much to sell, then....


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It makes no sense what they're even trying to do.


Nothing in football makes any sense.

When I was a little boy I had a board game called 'Wembley', some may remember it, one of the 3/4th div clubs was Gateshead. Although the name means little to me, there is obviously a long history to it, so it must mean something for a few supporters.

I've followed Leamington since I was a little boy, in the days when they were called Lockheed, later AP. When Automotive Products sold the ground, and effectively put the football club out of business, the same could be said of Leamington - no ground, no money, no assets and the team seemed destined to slide into oblivion ending their days struggling at the foot of the Midland Comb, in front of a few supporters. But they were kept going by a few dedicated people and have, metaphorically, risen from the ashes.

Although it means little to most people, it does for a few hundred fans, including me, and that's what matters, even though it doesn't make any sense.

I'm sure the name of Gateshead won't disappear just yet.


jefferson
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So there's not much to sell, then....


No, so why not just sell up to Dunphy who was willing to invest?

If you've got no assets, players, staff, nowhere to play and no fans putting in season ticket money, gate money or merchandise then there's no income there to even fund a groundshare let alone pay any staff. It'll cost a lot of money just to get a groundshare in place and to convince the league (or any league) there's the finances in place to even start the season let alone finish it.

You'd just cut your losses if you were these owners. What are they hanging on for to a club with no assets left?


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You'd just cut your losses if you were these owners. What are they hanging on for to a club with no assets left?

It's a cash business, that's advantageous to certain types. They won't be the ones picking up the bills once there's nothing left


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According to the Cronicle, the National League have given Gateshead until Wednesday to have a host of measures in place. https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/...wednesday-d-16296283


Magpie
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So if Gateshead are kicked out of the league what happens further down the pyramid?


frychip67
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May 20, 2019, 9:10 PM

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So if Gateshead are kicked out of the league what happens further down the pyramid?


Aldershot would be reinstated in the National League Premier.

Truro are first in line for a Step 2 reprieve. Basingstoke are first in line for a Step 3 reprieve.



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There'd be no reprieve at step 3. Any vacancy created at step 3 would be filled by the best non-promoted winner of the step 4 playoffs ('best' being determined by ppg).


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Heybridge Swifts would go up to the Isthmian Premier, requiring other movements, probably Bishop's Stortford to SLPC and Kings Langley back to SLPS. Perhaps this is why Ladderman has been very quiet lately...
I presume Step 4 would reprieve someone – Molesey, I think – and move one or two others around.


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So if Gateshead are kicked out of the league what happens further down the pyramid?


Aldershot would be reinstated in the National League Premier.

Truro are first in line for a Step 2 reprieve. Basingstoke are first in line for a Step 3 reprieve.


That's why the expulstion of Gateshead is being seen by the National League as a last resort. They don't want to reprieve Truro City.


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So if Gateshead are kicked out of the league what happens further down the pyramid?


Aldershot would be reinstated in the National League Premier.

Truro are first in line for a Step 2 reprieve. Basingstoke are first in line for a Step 3 reprieve.


That's why the expulstion of Gateshead is being seen by the National League as a last resort. They don't want to reprieve Truro City.


Why the Anti-Truro sentiment? Is it due to the ground issues?


ladderman
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There's not much to say.
We seem destined to be shunted around for the rest of eternity without any thought about what it does to our club.
What happens if Gateshead are just kicked into the NPL?


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What happens if Gateshead are just kicked into the NPL?


Aldershot and Truro as above, ILP and SLPS as they are and Grantham or Stafford to SLPC.


ladderman
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That seems fine to me :)

Re the comments about Truro, kicking out Gateshead just swaps one basket case club for another.


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Gateshead supporters are claiming that their takeover has been completed.

https://twitter.com/gatesheadfcsoul


MiddxSaint
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Gateshead FC saved by supporter-led takeover

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/more-sport/gateshead-fc-saved-by-supporter-led-takeover-after-dramatic-24-hours-brings-end-to-dr-ranjan-varghese-s-disastrous-spell-in-charge-1-9782692


jefferson
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Gateshead FC saved by supporter-led takeover

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/more-sport/gateshead-fc-saved-by-supporter-led-takeover-after-dramatic-24-hours-brings-end-to-dr-ranjan-varghese-s-disastrous-spell-in-charge-1-9782692


Excellent news, I found this baffling that there couldn't be an agreement sorted for the club as there was nothing in it for the owners.

Well done the supporters.


Haywain
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May 22, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Gateshead FC saved by supporter-led takeover

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/...-in-charge-1-9782692




Haywain - following the Hatters through thin and thin.


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Gateshead FC saved by supporter-led takeover

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/more-sport/gateshead-fc-saved-by-supporter-led-takeover-after-dramatic-24-hours-brings-end-to-dr-ranjan-varghese-s-disastrous-spell-in-charge-1-9782692


I’d say ‘saved’ might be stretching it a bit at present.

Does the club have players, a ground, or the money to finance the season ahead? And have the FA and National League sanctioned their continued participation at Step 1?


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It was as a direct result of reading the article that I posed the (albeit rhetorical) questions. Getting everything (league membership, finances, legals, ground, bonds, playing staff etc.) signed off and in place for 2019-20 is a big ask in a short space of time, as the piece eludes to.

Personally, I see it as an important step in securing safety, rather than being saved. That’s merely my opinion. Others will have a different view.

Hopefully they can pull it off and start next season, whatever level of the pyramid that might be.


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I really hope they can get everything sorted out quickly. At least the previous owners settled the HMRC debt in full before the sale went through (Ebbsfleet and Bury didn’t manage to pay their debts but managed to get their cases adjourned to a later date).
The fans group seem to have gone quiet now but probably understandable given the amount they’ll have to do before it can be said they’re ‘saved’.
I understand the local M.P. is helping and they’re having meetings today or tomorrow with Gateshead Council to secure the Gateshead International Stadium for next season.
They will then have to satisfy the F.A. and the National League that they can be included next season. This with only 1 contracted player and a very inexperienced manager.
I believe the fund raising (which is continuing) had reached £50,000 just before the sale went through, so presumably most of that has gone to the previous owners.
No idea if the new committee have any experience at all in running a club but it must be a daunting job recruiting a squad for next season from scratch with very little finance behind them.


Magpie
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Thomas Feaheny (@ThomasFeaheny) Tweeted:
According to Companies House Ranjan Varghese was appointed as a director of Gateshead, this is a day after being removed from the same role https://t.co/OeLSt6kqfJ https://twitter.com/ThomasFeaheny/status/1131659578091945984?s=17


(This post was edited by Magpie on May 23, 2019, 9:52 PM)


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Yes, strange but true: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/...29847/filing-history

Wonder if it's just a very temporary thing until the new owners appoint their own... a company has to have a director.


Magpie
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Yes, strange but true: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/...29847/filing-history

Wonder if it's just a very temporary thing until the new owners appoint their own... a company has to have a director.

You would hope so!!

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