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Why has the Government just appointed A minister for Food Supplies?
Wasn't that usually done during the war and when there was food rationing?



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Thought of the day.....

If brexiteers knew what they were voting for, Why are they still argueing?


Only arguing with Remainers and Brexit Denialists, not with each other.


Not with each other? lol

There are 4 different variations of Brexit they appear to want.
No deal, Canada, Norway and Chequers. Completely split and cant agree on anything.



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As a bit of fun, here’s a few for Remainers:

1. City Slackers - doesn’t really give a damn one way or the other but only cares that the markets dont like uncertainty and the impact it has on his / her share options

2. Passive Remainer - probably doesn’t like the EU but doesn’t like the idea that Brexit might take a bit of effort. Mostly concerned that it might impact the supply of feta and olives.

3. Scexiteer Schizophrenics - Standard phrase they use is ‘dragged out of the EU against our will’ and want use the EU vote as an excuse to leave the UK. They argue the loss of exports to the EU is a big factor - conveniently forgetting that they export 64% of their trade with rUK!

4. Lineker Luvvies - he’s got 100m twitter followers therefore his opinion is gospel. We agree with everything he says, everything.

5. Slog a Moggers - they like to paint everyone that voted for Brexit as lovers of the odious Rees-Mogg. If we can attach brexiteers to him, it makes them look foolish. Probably think they are clever by coming up with alternative names for him, such as Rees-Smug.

6. Irish Borderers - believe the British people should be denied their democratic right because of the Irish border. They argue the 2m people of Ulster are more important than the other 64m. Of course, this is really just a smoke screen to get their own wish to keep us in the EU.

7. Economy Bashers - the economy will collapse if we vote to leave - oh it didn’t, OK it will defiantly collapse when we do leave. Look Unilever has withdrawn from the U.K. oh, it hasn’t. Nevermind, it’s still going to collapse. We won’t get any trade deals with any other country.

8. Democracy deniers - these love to wheel out the phrase ‘democracy didn’t die in 2016’. Of course they conveniently forget we had a general election in 2017 in which parties supporting the EU lost seats overall.

9. Whatabouters - in a desperate bid to persuade people we should remain, they peddle all sorts of nonsense such as ‘we’ll run out of diabetics medicine’ or ‘the army will take to the streets.’

10. Holiday harmers - don’t really like the EU but worry they’ll have to queue longer at the airport for their one holiday a year. Keeps them away from the all-inclusive bar for an extra thirty minutes.


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As a bit of fun, here’s a few for Remainers:

1. City Slackers - doesn’t really give a damn one way or the other but only cares that the markets dont like uncertainty and the impact it has on his / her share options

2. Passive Remainer - probably doesn’t like the EU but doesn’t like the idea that Brexit might take a bit of effort. Mostly concerned that it might impact the supply of feta and olives.

3. Scexiteer Schizophrenics - Standard phrase they use is ‘dragged out of the EU against our will’ and want use the EU vote as an excuse to leave the UK. They argue the loss of exports to the EU is a big factor - conveniently forgetting that they export 64% of their trade with rUK!

4. Lineker Luvvies - he’s got 100m twitter followers therefore his opinion is gospel. We agree with everything he says, everything.

5. Slog a Moggers - they like to paint everyone that voted for Brexit as lovers of the odious Rees-Mogg. If we can attach brexiteers to him, it makes them look foolish. Probably think they are clever by coming up with alternative names for him, such as Rees-Smug.

6. Irish Borderers - believe the British people should be denied their democratic right because of the Irish border. They argue the 2m people of Ulster are more important than the other 64m. Of course, this is really just a smoke screen to get their own wish to keep us in the EU.

7. Economy Bashers - the economy will collapse if we vote to leave - oh it didn’t, OK it will defiantly collapse when we do leave. Look Unilever has withdrawn from the U.K. oh, it hasn’t. Nevermind, it’s still going to collapse. We won’t get any trade deals with any other country.

8. Democracy deniers - these love to wheel out the phrase ‘democracy didn’t die in 2016’. Of course they conveniently forget we had a general election in 2017 in which parties supporting the EU lost seats overall.

9. Whatabouters - in a desperate bid to persuade people we should remain, they peddle all sorts of nonsense such as ‘we’ll run out of diabetics medicine’ or ‘the army will take to the streets.’

10. Holiday harmers - don’t really like the EU but worry they’ll have to queue longer at the airport for their one holiday a year. Keeps them away from the all-inclusive bar for an extra thirty minutes.



I think you've been very kind to them, fair play to you.

What a difference between your humourous efforts and the Remainers vitriolic efforts.
I realise that their acid wit is their only comfort but you've proven it doesn't have to be that way.

You could have had a category for the millenials praying for their grand parents to die to snaffle their assets

Or the Snowflakes who want the words foreigner, immigrant or continental struck from the dictionary as anyone who uses those words must be a racist and must be severely punished and have their lips sewn together

Or the Shiny New Socialists with their litte red song books full of songs like 'Oh, Jeremy Corbyn' and 'Oh, Jeremy Corbyn' and that other socialist classic ' Oh, Jeremy Corbyn' who want eve
ry Brexiteer sent to a Momentum re-education gulag and then put to work picking fruit or to work on a trawler.

Or the Media Luvvies who, despite their £400-900,000 a year contracts worry 'We'll all Suffer, We'll all feel the pinch' if Brexit goes Bad! Even though they have never met or spoken to anyone who doesn't live in London or work at Media City, Salford or is a politician, a celebrity or a millionaire .

But you didn't...good for you!


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As a bit of fun, here’s a few for Remainers:

1. City Slackers - doesn’t really give a damn one way or the other but only cares that the markets dont like uncertainty and the impact it has on his / her share options

2. Passive Remainer - probably doesn’t like the EU but doesn’t like the idea that Brexit might take a bit of effort. Mostly concerned that it might impact the supply of feta and olives.

3. Scexiteer Schizophrenics - Standard phrase they use is ‘dragged out of the EU against our will’ and want use the EU vote as an excuse to leave the UK. They argue the loss of exports to the EU is a big factor - conveniently forgetting that they export 64% of their trade with rUK!

4. Lineker Luvvies - he’s got 100m twitter followers therefore his opinion is gospel. We agree with everything he says, everything.

5. Slog a Moggers - they like to paint everyone that voted for Brexit as lovers of the odious Rees-Mogg. If we can attach brexiteers to him, it makes them look foolish. Probably think they are clever by coming up with alternative names for him, such as Rees-Smug.

6. Irish Borderers - believe the British people should be denied their democratic right because of the Irish border. They argue the 2m people of Ulster are more important than the other 64m. Of course, this is really just a smoke screen to get their own wish to keep us in the EU.

7. Economy Bashers - the economy will collapse if we vote to leave - oh it didn’t, OK it will defiantly collapse when we do leave. Look Unilever has withdrawn from the U.K. oh, it hasn’t. Nevermind, it’s still going to collapse. We won’t get any trade deals with any other country.

8. Democracy deniers - these love to wheel out the phrase ‘democracy didn’t die in 2016’. Of course they conveniently forget we had a general election in 2017 in which parties supporting the EU lost seats overall.

9. Whatabouters - in a desperate bid to persuade people we should remain, they peddle all sorts of nonsense such as ‘we’ll run out of diabetics medicine’ or ‘the army will take to the streets.’

10. Holiday harmers - don’t really like the EU but worry they’ll have to queue longer at the airport for their one holiday a year. Keeps them away from the all-inclusive bar for an extra thirty minutes.


Unlike some Brexit supporters on this thread I have a sense of humour.Not sure what category i'd come under. Probably something along lines if wanting to maintain my rights of working and being able to travel in 27 Eu countries and considering what the younger generation wanted who 79% under 25 Voted remain. If the above represent the remainers then for what reasons should they have voted brexit to make their lives better?

Think Point 4 is your only valid point Btw which I found funny.

So the benefits of brexit are still going to be

1. To get a blue passport

2. To possibly be able to please some English Fisherman (not scottish BTW) who are likely see their market diminish by having fewer customers

3. To annoy Gary Lineker

Point 3 made by you has already been discredited many times

Point 6 would offend many Northern Ireland people as why shouldnt we look after the interests of 2 million Northen Irelanders where the majority wanted to remain in the EU.

We looked after 2000 Falkland Islanders 36 years ago when it would have been cheaper to give them all 2 million quid each fly them over to the uk and set them up on a remote scottish island but we chose not to do that

Nice effort BTWLaugh



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Following Simon Coveneys, the Irish Foreign Minister, comments earlier today it looks increasingly likely that a deal of some sort will be arrived at. I'm sure when he made his comments to Sky News he had one eye on the upcoming Euro elections due in May next year.
Continuing Brexit negotiations after the May 2019 European elections would make things very interesting.

French President Emmanuel Macron’s party is now only three percentage points ahead of Marine Le Pen’s eurosceptic one in national polls. Paris Match magazine quoted an unnamed source from the French government who emphasised the coming EU elections threatened the end of the EU: “I have a feeling that the European elections will be unlike any other, because people are aware that Europe could die.”

It’d be a bit embarrassing for the UK Remainers negotiating Brexit if they have nobody from the EU to negotiate with next year. Or if they’re sitting opposite genuinely eurosceptic negotiators on the EU side. Can you imagine UK Remainers and EU eurosceptics negotiating Brexit!

Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini and Hungarian President Viktor Orbán openly met to make that happen recently. The Visegrad group and Austria have also joined forces to push for euroscepticism at the EU. The Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in Germany has only one seat in the European Parliament, but that number will probably surge in May.

The surge of euroscepticism at the national level should be outdone at the European level, because people are more likely to vote eurosceptic for the EU than populists at their national election.

The trouble for Europe’s eurosceptic MEPs has been that they have no banner to unite under in the European Parliament. They’re spread out among the various parties. Donald Trump’s ex campaign manager Steve Bannon is looking to unite them under one banner – pun avoided.

The aim of the game for all these eurosceptics will be to influence the European Commission. Precisely the body that UK eurosceptics take so much issue with.

It’s going to be an extraordinary 2019. Unless an arrangement is arrived at.


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Better to focus on how matters currently stand rather than as how we'd like them to be.

And I can't see the resurgence of the far right in Europe being something that we'd welcome.

But it seems as though there's encouraging noises over the UK & EU cobbling a deal together. No doubt the arguments, over whether it was better for us to stay in the EU or leave, will go on for years.


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No doubt the arguments, over whether it was better for us to stay in the EU or leave, will go on for years.


At least 50 minimumLaugh



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No doubt the arguments, over whether it was better for us to stay in the EU or leave, will go on for years.


At least 50 minimumLaugh


One thing is for sure.
If the arguments go on for half a century there will not be many who have contributed to this discussion that will still be with us!

And it's the one year anniversary of the thread today. Doubtless much to the chagrin of the mods Wink


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No doubt the arguments, over whether it was better for us to stay in the EU or leave, will go on for years.


At least 50 minimumLaugh


One thing is for sure.
If the arguments go on for half a century there will not be many who have contributed to this discussion that will still be with us!

And it's the one year anniversary of the thread today. Doubtless much to the chagrin of the mods Wink


Whilst we are all falling out a deal was agreed weeks ago.

No doubt in my mind May and the EU have fully completed their negotiations and will wait until the last possible moment to reveal the deal


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Whilst we are all falling out a deal was agreed weeks ago.

No doubt in my mind May and the EU have fully completed their negotiations and will wait until the last possible moment to reveal the deal


Not according to Dominic Raab who forwent his Sunday lunch in an attempt to break the Irish border impasse today.

The sub plots; David Davis et al, continue to provide entertaining intrigue thoughSly


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Whilst we are all falling out a deal was agreed weeks ago.

No doubt in my mind May and the EU have fully completed their negotiations and will wait until the last possible moment to reveal the deal


I think if it was just left to May and the EU a deal could have been worked out.

The trouble is there are the right-wing elements within the Conservative Party, and the DUP, neither of whom seen inclined to support any deal at all, particularly over the Irish border and May can't get any deal through the Commons without having both on board.


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When it comes down to it, each side can only negotiate so far when there are so many red lines:

1. UK won’t accept a customs union or border in the Irish Sea
2. EU won’t accept a dilution of the free movement principles (trade, people, services)

Therefore although both sides want to avoid a hard border in Ireland, neither side wants it enough against the red lines it sets.

This can only mean a hard border either with or without a deal.

Whether or not a deal with some sort of border can be agreed depends on whether the EU values the £50bn above the principle of no border, but not sure Ireland would agree to it, therefore no deal is likely.

I can’t see Theresa May being allowed to give enough leeway by her party to cave on the U.K. red lines.

Of course this current situation is (IMO) 90% the fault of the U.K. government which has been unclear on its trade deal for most of this time and also allowed the EU to dictate the negotiations - for example, trying to agree the Irish border issue before trade talks begin - the two things are inextricably linked and therefore it was a pointless excercise.

To be fair, Barnier has run rings around us, but of course the result is the deal on the table is not one we can accept.


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All we've seemed to hear from the DUP is that this isn't acceptable or that isn't acceptable.

Do they have any positive proposals for how the Irish border question should be resolved or are they just rejecting everybody else's ideas without having one of their own?


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On the subject of Ireland. Does anyone know if Irish citizens will have the same rights to live in the UK they had before both countries joined the EU, post Brexit?
Or is this still to be decided?
I believe there was complete freedom of movement between the two countries ( with the exception of suspected terrorists or alleged supporters of terrorism).



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All we've seemed to hear from the DUP is that this isn't acceptable or that isn't acceptable.

Do they have any positive proposals for how the Irish border question should be resolved or are they just rejecting everybody else's ideas without having one of their own?


They’ll never officially announce it but I’d take a guess at what they really want -
a) an enormous wall built along the border between Ireland and N. Ireland, possibly with a moat and an electrified fence behind it.
b) then no travel allowed between the U.K. and the E.U. except the deportation of Catholics over the wall into Ireland.
c) a multi-billion pound road bridge between N. Ireland and G.B.


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On the subject of Ireland. Does anyone know if Irish citizens will have the same rights to live in the UK they had before both countries joined the EU, post Brexit?
Or is this still to be decided?
I believe there was complete freedom of movement between the two countries ( with the exception of suspected terrorists or alleged supporters of terrorism).


Tbh that is the sort of relationship with Ireland we need to recreate post Brexit
My first wife was Irish and we travelled freely between Bristol and Dublin as could all Brits /Irish.
My father in law served in the British Army as did many Eire nationals and eventually settled in England.
My first job after my apprenticeship was working with a gang of Southern Irish Shuttering Carpenters and groundworkers from Galway and Limerick who had settled in Horfield in Bristol, home to a large Irish community.
The Irush are the salt of the Earth and should be free to travel throughout the British Isles without any restictions, checks or barriers.
We used to have a special relationship with Ireland and should recreate that again.

Both countries were the better for that.

I don't think the EU truly understands our unique relationship.


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On the subject of Ireland. Does anyone know if Irish citizens will have the same rights to live in the UK they had before both countries joined the EU, post Brexit?
Or is this still to be decided?
I believe there was complete freedom of movement between the two countries ( with the exception of suspected terrorists or alleged supporters of terrorism).


Tbh that is the sort of relationship with Ireland we need to recreate post Brexit
My first wife was Irish and we travelled freely between Bristol and Dublin as could all Brits /Irish.
My father in law served in the British Army as did many Eire nationals and eventually settled in England.
My first job after my apprenticeship was working with a gang of Southern Irish Shuttering Carpenters and groundworkers from Galway and Limerick who had settled in Horfield in Bristol, home to a large Irish community.
The Irush are the salt of the Earth and should be free to travel throughout the British Isles without any restictions, checks or barriers.
We used to have a special relationship with Ireland and should recreate that again.

Both countries were the better for that.

I don't think the EU truly understands our unique relationship.


I don’t understand why you think people from one European country should be free to live and work here as they please, but not those from other EU countries.




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John Major's Michael Quinlan lecture is worth a read.
The Daily Mirror has published it in full.

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This raised a chuckle for me .....

Tim not nice but dim Brexit Voter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhtYYjV6ITs



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John Major's Michael Quinlan lecture is worth a read.
The Daily Mirror has published it in full.


John Major, lol............Really!!

Suddenly we listen to John Major? Naaaahhh!

I don't think so.

Another Establishment lackey who couldn't hack the responsibility that went with his office and has no understanding or doesn't care of how life really is for ordinary people.

Did nothing to improve the lot of ordinary people because they didn't register on his radar..........still don't, obviously.


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On the subject of Ireland. Does anyone know if Irish citizens will have the same rights to live in the UK they had before both countries joined the EU, post Brexit?
Or is this still to be decided?
I believe there was complete freedom of movement between the two countries ( with the exception of suspected terrorists or alleged supporters of terrorism).


Tbh that is the sort of relationship with Ireland we need to recreate post Brexit
My first wife was Irish and we travelled freely between Bristol and Dublin as could all Brits /Irish.
My father in law served in the British Army as did many Eire nationals and eventually settled in England.
My first job after my apprenticeship was working with a gang of Southern Irish Shuttering Carpenters and groundworkers from Galway and Limerick who had settled in Horfield in Bristol, home to a large Irish community.
The Irush are the salt of the Earth and should be free to travel throughout the British Isles without any restictions, checks or barriers.
We used to have a special relationship with Ireland and should recreate that again.

Both countries were the better for that.

I don't think the EU truly understands our unique relationship.


I don’t understand why you think people from one European country should be free to live and work here as they please, but not those from other EU countries.


I would say our relationship and history with Ireland makes that a perfectly reasonable and understandable scenario, especially as it is how it is now and how it was pre-EU.

Are you saying you want barriers put up to Irish nationals and all that goes with that?
Can you not see tht matters re: Ireland and yet matters not a jot re: the rest of Europe and that highlights why your question is ( deliberately) obtuse?
People from other European countries should be free to work and live here if it pleases them and if they have a skillset we require, a job offer and meet any other requirements set.
No problem with that whatsoever!


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John Major's Michael Quinlan lecture is worth a read.
The Daily Mirror has published it in full.


John Major, lol............Really!!

Suddenly we listen to John Major? Naaaahhh!

I don't think so.

Another Establishment lackey who couldn't hack the responsibility that went with his office and has no understanding or doesn't care of how life really is for ordinary people.

Did nothing to improve the lot of ordinary people because they didn't register on his radar..........still don't, obviously.


His own life suggests he does have an understanding of ordinary people, having been one himself.

Yet Brexiteers have no trouble sitting at the feet of of the charlatans Farage and Johnson and lapping up their every word.


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Re: [Yatesman] EU Withdrawal Negotiations [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Really have no desire to get involved with the emotional baggage around the entire EU negotiation argument, but feel it is reasonable to point out that

a) Intriguing that you choose not to take on Major's arguments, preferring instead character assassination.

b) Given his easily-researched personal history on Wiki, the claim about his personal background is easily refuted.

c) Your list of the advantages of being able to travel freely between the 'UK ' and Ireland is an excellent example of why freedom of movement is such a great thing for all 28 nations. To claim that somehow the Irish are more 'salt of the earth' and thus we should have a special relationship with that nation but no other we have had equally lengthy historical links with is unsustainable.

d) Some in Ireland might see the 'special relationship' with England/the rest of the UK in less rosy terms. They might refer back to Essex, Cromwell and also the events of a century ago where English/UK action partitioned their country. But even if not that, I think they might say...hang on, we have friction-free relationships with 26 other European countries. Why should we put that in jeopardy for friction-free relations with one?

Confusingly, your last sentence pretty much describes how most of the rest of the EU runs its 'freedom of movement' (for the sake of brevity) regulations. Delighted that you agree that such a plan causes you no problem

It has been the UK govt's unwillingness to do something similar that is, I believe at the heart of those who would have us Brexit see as a 'problem' with 'immigration' (again in quotes as I know such terms can have long and complex back stories)


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This raised a chuckle for me .....

Tim not nice but dim Brexit Voter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhtYYjV6ITs


I have never heard a Brexiteer give a credible answer to a question like 'How will Brexit benefit the UK?' They almost always come up with rubbish like 'We'll get our country back', 'We'll control our borders' or 'We can make our own laws' To be fair to Tim he didn't use any of these arguments. He just seemed to want to return to his happy childhood in the 1990's (all of them!). Of course we were members of the EU in the 1990's, a fact that seems to have escaped him.



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