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Swindon Addick
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There will be a lot of changes this season due to more clubs than usual (probably) going up to WSL this time. According to gossip at the playoff final this afternoon:

- FA have decided which applications for WSL and the new "Championship" (formerly WSL 2) will be accepted. Expectation is is will be Charlton plus 4 from about 14 others who have applied. Charlton's promotion depends on them having passed the minimum standard but they don't have to be one of the 5 best applications. We're expecting to see a new Manchester United team in one of the top two divisions.

- Clubs are being told tonight whether they have been successful and which division they'll be in.

- Announcement from the FA expected tomorrow morning (I heard 11 am suggested).

- The remainder of the current WPL will then sort itself out dependent on how many gaps there are to fill at the top level. There could well be some bonus promotions on offer, and/or some lateral transfers.



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Leagues confirmed as follows:

FA Women's Super League 2018-19:
Arsenal, Birmingham City Ladies, Brighton and Hove Albion Women, Bristol City Women, Chelsea FC Women, Everton Ladies FC, Liverpool Ladies FC, Manchester City Women, Reading FC Women, West Ham United Ladies, Yeovil Town Ladies

The FA Women's Championship 2018-19:
Aston Villa Ladies FC, Charlton Athletic Women, Doncaster Rovers Belles, Durham Women FC, Leicester City Women, Lewes FC Women, London Bees, Manchester United Women, Millwall Lionesses, Sheffield FC Ladies, Sheffield United Ladies, Tottenham Hotspur Ladies.


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No Sunderland AFC Ladies in the list though

"However, the creation of the new two tier Premier League structure has not been without controversy after Sunderland Ladies, who finished seventh in the top division last season, were denied a place in either of the two restructured leagues, despite applying to continue in the second tier.

Sunderland’s place in the Premier League has been given to West Ham, who along with Brighton, are the new arrivals into the 11 team elite group.

That means there will be no teams located north of Manchester in the Premier League next season, with just two, Durham Women and Doncaster Belles, in the Championship.

“Sunderland have been offered a place in tier 3 and we are waiting to hear back from them as to whether they will be accepting that offer,” said Katie Brazier, the FA’s Head of Women’s Leagues and Competitions.

“There are clubs who will be disappointed with the decisions that have been made and they have 14 days to appeal if they want to challenge it.

“Sunderland were given the first opportunity, as an existing WSL1 club to apply for a place last year, but they were one of three clubs who declined to do so, which meant they no longer had preferred bidder status.

“I think that was down to the ongoing uncertainty regarding the ownership of the club. They did subsequently apply in the open bidding process, but they were up against a number of other clubs who have a firm commitment, both in terms of investment and resources, to grow the women’s game. Unfortunately, there were stronger bids.” "

From https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...womens-super-league/

Find the part about Sunderland AFC Ladies down the page



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Swindon Addick
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If we assume that QPR get a reprieve due to Charlton winning the play-off, that leaves both top divisions of the WPL square - the southern division loses Charlton, West Ham & Lewes but gains Oxford and Watford, with QPR reprieved and Swindon still relegated, plus two promotions from tier 4. The northern division loses Leicester and gains Sunderland. An additional reprieve is needed in the Midland division of tier 4, as Sheffield United join West Ham in being promoted two steps at once.

The outcome will be particularly galling for Blackburn, who are leapfrogged by Sheffield United after losing a promotion playoff against CHarlton at ... Bramall Lane.



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Dazzla84
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No Sunderland AFC Ladies in the list though

"However, the creation of the new two tier Premier League structure has not been without controversy after Sunderland Ladies, who finished seventh in the top division last season, were denied a place in either of the two restructured leagues, despite applying to continue in the second tier.

Sunderland’s place in the Premier League has been given to West Ham, who along with Brighton, are the new arrivals into the 11 team elite group.

That means there will be no teams located north of Manchester in the Premier League next season, with just two, Durham Women and Doncaster Belles, in the Championship.

“Sunderland have been offered a place in tier 3 and we are waiting to hear back from them as to whether they will be accepting that offer,” said Katie Brazier, the FA’s Head of Women’s Leagues and Competitions.

“There are clubs who will be disappointed with the decisions that have been made and they have 14 days to appeal if they want to challenge it.

“Sunderland were given the first opportunity, as an existing WSL1 club to apply for a place last year, but they were one of three clubs who declined to do so, which meant they no longer had preferred bidder status.

“I think that was down to the ongoing uncertainty regarding the ownership of the club. They did subsequently apply in the open bidding process, but they were up against a number of other clubs who have a firm commitment, both in terms of investment and resources, to grow the women’s game. Unfortunately, there were stronger bids.” "

From https://www.telegraph.co.uk/...womens-super-league/

Find the part about Sunderland AFC Ladies down the page


So they didnt apply for professional status, fair enough but the championship is a semi-pro league, to kick them out of even that is pretty disgraceful.


TroubleAtMill
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If you're face doesn't fit the image of #womens football, you get shafted.

What's happening here will happen in the men's game within a few years.


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We should be grateful that Hashtag United don't have a women's team!



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jon b
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If you're face doesn't fit the image of #womens football, you get shafted.

What's happening here will happen in the men's game within a few years.


I really, really hope you're wrong.

But very much fear you're right.


Dazzla84
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If you're face doesn't fit the image of #womens football, you get shafted.

What's happening here will happen in the men's game within a few years.


I really, really hope you're wrong.

But very much fear you're right.


Thats my fear too.

The WSL really does look like its on course to mirror the mens game in terms of the "elite"

Theres already 4 of the "big six" in the WSL, with Man Utd and Tottenham in the league below


Tykeoldboy
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This is all done for the good of the women's game and to improve the playing standards of England players. Yeovil kept their WSL1 place despite only scoring 2 goals all season.

Reading between the lines, it is about branding of the teams involved, the big men's PL teams have women's teams. Don't be surprised if Manchester United Women don't get automatic promotion at the end of 2018/19 they are moved up to WSL1.


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And only two of those four stand a realistic chance of winning the league each season.


Dazzla84
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Sunderland have appealed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44337577


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Sheffield FC pull out of the Championship
http://sheffield.fawsl.com/...#J7PyeKS0UT7gJbU1.97


Dazzla84
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Sheffield FC pull out of the Championship
http://sheffield.fawsl.com/...#J7PyeKS0UT7gJbU1.97

Hmmm, that could give Sunderland the Championship reprieve


jon b
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Sheffield FC pull out of the Championship
http://sheffield.fawsl.com/...#J7PyeKS0UT7gJbU1.97


Very tough on Helen Mitchell and colleagues who gave their all over the years in battling to promotion through the various divisions by success on the pitch.

Sadly, at that level the financial costs of taking part are now substantial and the financial rewards limited.


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Does anyone know if they're continuing lower down? It doesnt say in that article.

The funding issue is tricky. The FA can't fund much beyond what they're already funding so money will have to come from clubs. That, however, leaves us with a franchise league with the big men's clubs featured and no prospect for smaller clubs to play or their way up.

It frustrates me on both sides. It's clearly an area in which women have been under represented but until the public decide in numbers that they want to watch women play football any professional players are relying on subsidy. I don't believe anyone is entitled to be paid for doing something unless there is sufficient demand for it. On the other hand, the organic growth of the game has been subverted by the big clubs' investments and the close system deployed by the FA.


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Does anyone know if they're continuing lower down? It doesnt say in that article.

The funding issue is tricky. The FA can't fund much beyond what they're already funding so money will have to come from clubs. That, however, leaves us with a franchise league with the big men's clubs featured and no prospect for smaller clubs to play or their way up.

It frustrates me on both sides. It's clearly an area in which women have been under represented but until the public decide in numbers that they want to watch women play football any professional players are relying on subsidy. I don't believe anyone is entitled to be paid for doing something unless there is sufficient demand for it. On the other hand, the organic growth of the game has been subverted by the big clubs' investments and the close system deployed by the FA.


I do believe that Sheffield Ladies FC are to continue at a lower level which fits into how they want the club to go, being a community club for girls/women's football


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Interview in Sheffield Star newspaper with Helen Mitchell re the withdrawal of Sheffield FC Ladies from the second tier.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/...f-the-club-1-9230170


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I have a lot of sympathy for Sheffield, who are a good, well-run club, and particularly after Charlton's own experience of having funding pulled. What must be particularly galling is that clubs had to submit business plans for the season, so they can't have been unaware of the costs. Oxford and Watford both considered things in advance and decided to drop down, which means they have a place in the National League while Sheffield have left it until after the AGM and may have to drop further unless the WSL are willing to reprieve Sunderland and do a straight swap.



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And speaking of the National League AGM, here are the new constitutions of the two tier 3 divisions. Make-up is as expected. As usual, the champions of the two divisions hold a 1-off playoff for the overall championship, and for promotion to tier 2 subject to an acceptable business plan.

National League North:

Blackburn Rovers
Bradford City
Derby County
Fylde
Guiseley Vixens
Huddersfield Town
Hull City (from D1 North)
Loughborough Foxes (from D1 Midland)
Middlesbrough
Nottingham Forest
Stoke City
Sunderland (from WSL 1)

National League South:

C & K Basildon
Cardiff City
Chichester City
Coventry United
Crystal Palace
Gillingham
MK Dons (from D1 South East)
Oxford United (from WSL 2)
Plymouth Argyle (from D1 South West)
Portsmouth
Queens Park Rangers (reprieved due to Charlton's promotion)
Watford (from WSL 2)



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Doncaster Belles have withdrawn from WSL2 and will drop down to tier 3. The Belles will be replaced by Crystal Palace


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Doncaster Belles have withdrawn from WSL2 and will drop down to tier 3. The Belles will be replaced by Crystal Palace


The FA have been working towards this for years, someone on the FA women's committee will be getting a bonus for getting it done!


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It is a sad day for Women's football when one of the most successful and oldest teams is forced to drop down the pyramid because of the way the FA wants the women's game to go.


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I have a lot of sympathy for Sheffield, who are a good, well-run club, and particularly after Charlton's own experience of having funding pulled. What must be particularly galling is that clubs had to submit business plans for the season, so they can't have been unaware of the costs. Oxford and Watford both considered things in advance and decided to drop down, which means they have a place in the National League while Sheffield have left it until after the AGM and may have to drop further unless the WSL are willing to reprieve Sunderland and do a straight swap.


Ive not heard much but as far as I know, Sunderland wont be let into the WSL championship and they'll run with 2 leagues of 11

 
 


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