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PaulC
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ďIf you lie down with dogs, you get fleasĒ. David Lammy got it in one.

When ths Tories compete for votes with the racist parties in the UK it is no surprise that the Windrush scandal has blown up in their faces.

Theresa May was Home Secretary when, in 2014, the Tories removed a key clause from 1999 legislation, which had provided longstanding Commonwealth residents with protection from enforced removal. The Tories didnít even announce the removal of the clause.

Now they have been found out and there has been vociferous criticism of them they are now having to do something rather than brazen it out as they had been doing.


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Never, ever, ever trust a Tory.


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Disgraceful. Glad it's come out now and that they are going to have to put things right.



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An absolute shower. Private's Progress.


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To me, it's the absolute ineptitude

Last week Rudd tries to tell us that fewer police has no effect on street crime. She tries to get us to believe that she hasn't had time to read one of her own department's papers on the subject.

Now apparently it's the fault of the civil servants that she hasn't been able to change some regulations going back to 2014.

In most organizations such dereliction of duty is a resigning or sacking matter. The bloke who was head of the parole board being a recent example.

But apparently not in the govt. It's enough to stand up and say sorry.

Irrespective of party rosette, how can you have respect for a govt minister won't take responsibility for failures she's ultimately responsible for?


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To me, it's the absolute ineptitude

Last week Rudd tries to tell us that fewer police has no effect on street crime. She tries to get us to believe that she hasn't had time to read one of her own department's papers on the subject.

Now apparently it's the fault of the civil servants that she hasn't been able to change some regulations going back to 2014.

In most organizations such dereliction of duty is a resigning or sacking matter. The bloke who was head of the parole board being a recent example.

But apparently not in the govt. It's enough to stand up and say sorry.

Irrespective of party rosette, how can you have respect for a govt minister won't take responsibility for failures she's ultimately responsible for?


PaulC
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Once more Corbyn got it right when the Tories, with May as Home Secretary, changed the immigration laws and caused the current injustices.




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Let's hope that, as well as apologies, there's prompt medical treatment for those who have been denied it, compensation for those who have lost jobs and been denied benefits, and assistance for those refused re-entry after visits to the Caribbean. Perhaps Paulette Wilson should be treated to one of the House of Commons meals such as she's cooked in the past.
Sadly I doubt that the Home Office is remotely capable of sorting this out in a fortnight (the Grenfell 'rehousing in three weeks' springs to mind), and a careful eye will need to be kept. Once this has been done there's surely a case for a root and branch reorganisation of the Home Office with changes of senior personnel and proper independent scrutiny. But I'm not holding my breath.
If people in the older generations are treated like this is it any wonder that some of their children and grandchildren feel alienated and disaffected?


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As pointed out, all on Theresa May's watch....

https://www.theguardian.com/...-deported-to-jamaica



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PaulC
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As pointed out, all on Theresa May's watch....

https://www.theguardian.com/...-deported-to-jamaica


Yes, the Government's advice to those it deports is unbelievable:

ďTry to be ĎJamaicaní Ė use local accents and dialectĒ.


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ďIf you lie down with dogs, you get fleasĒ. David Lammy got it in one.

When ths Tories compete for votes with the racist parties in the UK it is no surprise that the Windrush scandal has blown up in their faces.

Theresa May was Home Secretary when, in 2014, the Tories removed a key clause from 1999 legislation, which had provided longstanding Commonwealth residents with protection from enforced removal. The Tories didnít even announce the removal of the clause.

Now they have been found out and there has been vociferous criticism of them they are now having to do something rather than brazen it out as they had been doing.


Iím not sure anyone can defend this farce.

The best they can do is make it right (quickly and simply) for all concerned.


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Disgraceful. Glad it's come out now and that they are going to have to put things right.


Perhaps for the first time on a "political" thread, I think it's going to be close to, if not compltely, unanimous agreement on that point.


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Iím not sure anyone can defend this farce.


Surely this is what the Brexit supporters want - refuse entry to those without the 'right papers' and if any are already here "send them back".

And if anyone is concerned about why they do not have the papers "you know where the channel tunnel is."


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Iím not sure anyone can defend this farce.


Surely this is what the Brexit supporters want - refuse entry to those without the 'right papers' and if any are already here "send them back".

And if anyone is concerned about why they do not have the papers "you know where the channel tunnel is."


I think you may have misjudged the majority of Brexit supporters. Whatever you may read or glean from the media as far as most Brexiteers are concerned there is no support for treating people badly.

This is another case of inept government management within the Home Office. Bad decision making by both parties has led us to where we are.


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Iím not sure anyone can defend this farce.


Surely this is what the Brexit supporters want - refuse entry to those without the 'right papers' and if any are already here "send them back".

And if anyone is concerned about why they do not have the papers "you know where the channel tunnel is."


I think you may have misjudged the majority of Brexit supporters. Whatever you may read or glean from the media as far as most Brexiteers are concerned there is no support for treating people badly.

This is another case of inept government management within the Home Office. Bad decision making by both parties has led us to where we are.


It's just a smear campaign against Brexiters, as for this "you know the channel tunnel is" line wouldn't remain voters be saying just that to those who wanted to leave the EU if the vote had gone the other way?


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It's just a smear campaign against Brexiters, as for this "you know the channel tunnel is" line wouldn't remain voters be saying just that to those who wanted to leave the EU if the vote had gone the other way?


Errr... so you're saying that if the boot had been on the other foot, Remainers would have been inviting Brexiters in the UK to leave via the Channel Tunnel to go and live in....Europe?!

As with many things I think the Windrush scandal is more a Conservative Party issue rather than a Brexit one.



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It's just a smear campaign against Brexiters, as for this "you know the channel tunnel is" line wouldn't remain voters be saying just that to those who wanted to leave the EU if the vote had gone the other way?


Errr... so you're saying that if the boot had been on the other foot, Remainers would have been inviting Brexiters in the UK to leave via the Channel Tunnel to go and live in....Europe?!

As with many things I think the Windrush scandal is more a Conservative Party issue rather than a Brexit one.


Well ok maybe they would be saying you know where the airport is?


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Iím not sure anyone can defend this farce.


Surely this is what the Brexit supporters want - refuse entry to those without the 'right papers' and if any are already here "send them back".

And if anyone is concerned about why they do not have the papers "you know where the channel tunnel is."


Only a Remainer would think this is what Brexiteers would want......

And that's the nub of the problem. Remainers in Gov't trying to deliver for Leavers and getting it totally wrong.

Thankfully the number affected is quite small and the Gov't are falling over themselves to apologise and make amends.

It's quite ironic that it was the last Labour administration that set the wheels in motion for this debacle and created the 'hostile environment'
policy within the home office.

The Windrush folk are a totally different type of immigrant under a totally different immigration policy.

They were invited because we wanted them and needed them.

That's why they are welcomed, accepted and are well regarded

The current immigration system has been imposed on us and anyone from the EU can come here whether the country wants them, needs them and can accommodate them or cope with the numbers and whether they have a job offer or not.

On top of that there is an epidemic of illegal immigration that the Gov't failing to deal with.

On top of that there is the ridiculous situation whereby Asian British can marry complete strangers from their country of origin and bring them across..... There is enormous pressure on young Asians to do this.
That is crazy and is having an exponential effect of increasing the numbers of new immigrants from the Indian sub continent..

This leads to unhappy marriages, less opportunity for integration and social cohesion.

It's those 'other' types of immigration that angers and upsets people......not the West Indian immigrants of the Windrush generation from the 1950's until the 1970's


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And Nicola Sturgeon will want all English people living in Scotland to be returned to England.


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And Nicola Sturgeon will want all English people living in Scotland to be returned to England.


Probably, if it weren't for English money.

English folk in Scotland have a higher net worth than other EU immigrants.

You're right about one of the things you allude to there......Nationalists are, by default, exclusivists, which is , by default, racially prejudiced.

That's why I have no truck with Nationalists because when you peel back the top layer you find a racist.


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And Nicola Sturgeon will want all English people living in Scotland to be returned to England.


Probably, if it weren't for English money.

English folk in Scotland have a higher net worth than other EU immigrants.

You're right about one of the things you allude to there......Nationalists are, by default, exclusivists, which is , by default, racially prejudiced.

That's why I have no truck with Nationalists because when you peel back the top layer you find a racist.


What utter tripe. Scottish nationalism is civic nationalism. The nationality of those who choose to live in Scotland is a complete irelevance. The SNP is a pro-independence party - not an anti-immigrant party like UKIP.

Nor is it an anti-English party as the more dim English often claim. Whenever one of these numpties make such a claim an invitation to give a single example usually shuts them up. A party with many English-born members isnít likely to be anti-English.

Anyone who thinks there is the slightest similarity between the SNP which encourages immigration and wants more immigration, with English nationalist parties like UKIP which oppose immigration is off their rocker.


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I hate to sound like the bloody headmaster again but this is why this section of the forum gets such a bad press from the rest of the forum users. If you want it to remain open then you guys are really going to have to clean up your act.

Surely you can get your points across without calling the previous post "utter tripe"? Surely there is no need to call everyone that has a different viewpoint to your own "dim" and "numpties"?

Really... keep the threads civil and not only will they be more enjoyable to read but you will have a lot more contributions which will make them even more interesting.

Thanks


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And Nicola Sturgeon will want all English people living in Scotland to be returned to England.


Probably, if it weren't for English money.

English folk in Scotland have a higher net worth than other EU immigrants.

You're right about one of the things you allude to there......Nationalists are, by default, exclusivists, which is , by default, racially prejudiced.

That's why I have no truck with Nationalists because when you peel back the top layer you find a racist.


What utter tripe. Scottish nationalism is civic nationalism. The nationality of those who choose to live in Scotland is a complete irelevance. The SNP is a pro-independence party - not an anti-immigrant party like UKIP.

Nor is it an anti-English party as the more dim English often claim. Whenever one of these numpties make such a claim an invitation to give a single example usually shuts them up. A party with many English-born members isnít likely to be anti-English.

Anyone who thinks there is the slightest similarity between the SNP which encourages immigration and wants more immigration, with English nationalist parties like UKIP which oppose immigration is off their rocker.


As I understand it UKIP supports immigration controls.

I don't think it's anti-immigration just anti free movement of labour.

UKIP is/was a nationwide, not just English, political movement and has had councillors in England , Wales and Scotland........There is a clue in the name in case you missed it.

I accept there are SNP members who try their utmost to contain the nasty , exclusivist anti-English elements within it's ranks and I am the last person to stereotype ALL Nationalists with the same brush.

Some SNP members do have an Independence focus to their political beliefs. Many have a Nationalist agenda......hence the virulent anti-British rhetoric and reluctance to engage constructively with the UK parliament.

The SNP's desire for more immigration is so that Scotland can exploit these people to fund it's largesse.


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The SNP's desire for more immigration is so that Scotland can exploit these people to fund it's largesse.


And that's a bad thing?
You appear to be saying Scotland wishes to encourage immigration as it will cause the economy to grow? In turn, this allows the Scottish parliament to have a larger budget due to the increased tax take



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The SNP's desire for more immigration is so that Scotland can exploit these people to fund it's largesse.


And that's a bad thing?
You appear to be saying Scotland wishes to encourage immigration as it will cause the economy to grow? In turn, this allows the Scottish parliament to have a larger budget due to the increased tax take


If it's their only policy for growth, as it seems to be, then yes it's a bad thing.

The Scottish Gov't needs to stop looking for quick fix policies like unfettered immigration because this has unforeseen consequences such as pressure on services, finite resources, and puts downward pressure on wages and working conditions, not to mention the social cohesion impact mass immigration can have. It also rewards businesses and organisations for a lack of investment in their existing human resources.

As witnessed across England over the past decade.

Far better to use economic tools for growth such as lower taxes and de-regulation and relinquishing central Govt control by giving local authorities more powers over planning and economic strategy.

That's all supposing growth is even the most desirable goal at all . I wonder if efficiency is a better way to increase wealth and get value for any income generated.

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