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TroubleAtMill
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I think Hillsborough will have been demolished by then. Either rebuilt or a new ground for Wednesday.


I am very surprised that the Leppings Lane end at Hillsborough is still unchanged, other than seats having been added to the terracing. There is a memorial plaque to the dead outside the entrance to that end and it is possible that the families of the dead have been consulted and that they want that part of the ground to remain as it is. I can't think of any other reason why it hasn't been demolished and rebuilt.


Unchanged due to lack of money, simple as that, Wednesday have been out of the top division for nearly 20 years and nearly went bust in 2010.

There was a redevelopment plan linked to 2018 bid but it never happene as bid failed. https://youtu.be/dbjAYNAQYTM

Wednesday cannot currently afford to do more than slowly improve stadium internally, have to wait for the promised land of milk and honey for anything else.

West Stand needs demolishing, it's outdated, would need to go even without the disaster.
North Stand, famous cantaleaver needs vast internal work.
Kop needs lots of work also.
South Stand needs less / little done due to pre-Euro 96 upgrade.

Odds favour long term redevelopment of Hillsborough rather than a move, well under the current chairman / owner.


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In the next few years Brammall Lane is likely to exceed Hillsborough’s capacity as the have plans for a new main stand and Kop extension - aiming for over 40k.


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It’s also worth noting that England could host a World Cup with virtually no notice and if they had been allowed, could have hosted 2026 without any new grounds or major works.

If you assume all current new grounds, extensions and rebuilds proceed as discussed then they’d be following grounds with over 40,000 capacity (current capacity in brackets);

90,000 - Wembley
75,653 - Manchester United
62,062 - Tottenham Hotspur
61,000 - Manchester City (55,097)
60,260 - Arsenal
60,000 - Chelsea (41,798)
59,000 - Liverpool (54,074)
57,000 - West Ham United
52,338 - Newcastle United
50,000 - Everton (39,571)
48,707 - Sunderland
45,000 - Leicester City (32,312)
42,660 - Aston Villa
40,000 - Sheffield United (32,702)

That’s 14 grounds, Albeit 5 in London.


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In the next few years Brammall Lane is likely to exceed Hillsborough’s capacity as the have plans for a new main stand and Kop extension - aiming for over 40k.


With both Sheffield clubs it's down to money, and neither have it.

United's owner, McCabe is looking to get out so don't see any development happening any time soon.

Both clubs have / are looking at 40,000+ stadia, but doubt either will happen in the short to medium term.


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McCabe is selling his stake in the club to the Saudi prince


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In the next few years Brammall Lane is likely to exceed Hillsborough’s capacity as the have plans for a new main stand and Kop extension - aiming for over 40k.


With both Sheffield clubs it's down to money, and neither have it.

United's owner, McCabe is looking to get out so don't see any development happening any time soon.

Both clubs have / are looking at 40,000+ stadia, but doubt either will happen in the short to medium term.


Plans for the new mainstand are advanced and submitted for planning permission.


TroubleAtMill
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Do Sheffield United or McCabe own the ground?


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Do Sheffield United or McCabe own the ground?


No idea, but link to the plans below

https://www.sufc.co.uk/news/2017/december/south-stand-plans/


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Derby’s Pride Park Stadium has had long term plans, to expand the stadium up to 44k. They’ve held U21 internationals & St George’s Park is on the doorstep. Whilst Derby are kicking around in the championship, there’s zero chance that they’ll expand.


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Derby’s Pride Park Stadium has had long term plans, to expand the stadium up to 44k. They’ve held U21 internationals & St George’s Park is on the doorstep. Whilst Derby are kicking around in the championship, there’s zero chance that they’ll expand.


I only included relatively realistic improvements in the list, clearly Derby, as a small football club, won’t be in the Premier League any time soon and certainly won’t need a bigger ground :)

However, it’s possible wolves will continue to rebuild Molineux when they’ve established themselves in the PL.


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Derby’s Pride Park Stadium has had long term plans, to expand the stadium up to 44k. They’ve held U21 internationals & St George’s Park is on the doorstep. Whilst Derby are kicking around in the championship, there’s zero chance that they’ll expand.


I only included relatively realistic improvements in the list, clearly Derby, as a small football club, won’t be in the Premier League any time soon and certainly won’t need a bigger ground :)

However, it’s possible wolves will continue to rebuild Molineux when they’ve established themselves in the PL.



Leicester City will soon be back where they belong, whenever the sugar Daddy gets boredWink
As for including Sheffield Utd, I’m sure you were joking?


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We often hear of grand plans of extension when clubs are on the up, rarely do they come to fruition. Wolves had made such claims in the past but the financial position they find themselves in these days may well see Molyneux become the biggest stadium in the midlands.


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Hull City had plans to increase the capacity to 40k (linked to England's failed WC bid) but that will no longer happen. Bristol City keep talking about increasing Ashton gate to 40k, could happen if they can get into the PL and stay a few seasons, but unlikely.

Of the stadiums with the capacity to host WC matches
5 are in London
2 in Manchester
2 in Liverpool
3 in North-East (Newcastle, Sunderland & Middlesbrough)

There are 3 stadiums in the East Mids with at least 30k capacity (or increased to that) Leicester, Derby, Nottm Forest

This compacts the WC into certain parts of England leaving a large part of the country WC free. Southampton could be a host (30k+) and possible Leeds with major redevelopment and also Villa Park, also with major redevelopment.

That means 8 cities or areas, so 8 stadiums available for use. I don't think FIFA would be happy if London used 5 stadiums. A WC bid needs to have 10 to 12 stadiums so England looks to be a bit short of that target.


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There are 3 stadiums in the East Mids with at least 30k capacity (or increased to that) Leicester, Derby, Nottm Forest

Plus Stadium MK, which only misses the East Midlands by a whisker.


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Reading, B&HA, Stoke & Norwich could all be expanded & added to any list!


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That means 8 cities or areas, so 8 stadiums available for use. I don't think FIFA would be happy if London used 5 stadiums. A WC bid needs to have 10 to 12 stadiums so England looks to be a bit short of that target.


Qatar 2022 will have 8 stadiums in 5 cities (4 in Doha).

Given that the number of teams increases in 2026, i’d have Thought 12 stadium should do it. Might get away with 4 in London given the size and spread, so something like;

Wembley
New Chelsea
New Tottenham
London stadium
Old Trafford
Etihad Stadium
Anfield
St James Park
Stadium of Light
Villa Park
An East Midlands ground (Leicester probably)
A Yorkshire team

That’s a reasonable spread.


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It would probably impress FIFA if Twickenham (82,000 capacity) could be added to the list. To avoid upsetting the local residents, it would only need to stage a quarter-final and semi-final.


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I would prefer the South American (Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay) bid to hot in 2030 with the final in Montevideo. It would be perfect if the whole tournament could mirror that of the first WC in 1930 with all matches being played in Montevideo, there are enough stadiums, but just one with a capacity over 50k and one other over 40k, so that isn't going to happen.


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I think one of Southampton, Bristol, Brighton and Portsmouth should be picked. It seems a very northern/ London WC with that list.

I'd pick:
Wembley
New Chelsea
New Tottenham
Old Trafford
Anfield
St. James Park
Stadium of Light
Villa Park
3 of Hillsborough/ Bramall Lane/ Elland Road/ Nottingham/ Derby/ Leicester/ Etihad Stadium
1 of Southampton, Portsmouth, Brighton or Bristol


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What's the point of discussing it, we won't win the bid, even if we're the only bidder! Tongue

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