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broodleyhoo
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As someone pointed out on another thread, it's a fine part of a footy game - and one of the NL joys - to be able to have a civilized pint whilst watching.

To me, the joy of a half time pie'n'peas is up there with the pint.

I hold strongly that a pie has its contents safely confined inside a pastry top and base.

However, my dear wife - a Sheffield lass - maintains that you can call something a pie if it merely has a pastry top.

The ongoing heated discussions as to what constitutes a "pie" has caused ructions in the 'hoo household.

My Hull - based mate tells me that a concoction with just a pastry top is called a 'topper', where he comes from and my further argument is that if one-sided pastry can produce a pie, then surely things like jam tarts and should be called pies too?

But where does that leave the traditional open-topped panto custard pie?


So I throw it open to the wider judgement of folk on here.

Is my midlanders demand that a pie have a pastry top and bottom correct, or is my other half's insistence that a top is sufficient true?


justAndy
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Pastry on Top, Bottom and sides, or it is not a pie


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Pastry on Top, Bottom and sides, or it is not a pie


Contents fully enclosed by pastry or it's not a pie, or if you come from Cornwall a pasty. Pastry just on the bottom is a tart or flan (if you're posh) and pastry just on top is ?150 in a Michelin restaurant.


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The thing with pies only having a pastry top is most prevalent in restaurant and pub chains, where a "pie" is a ceramic dish with an inch of filling and dry puff pastry plonked on the top. To me a pie is fully encased in pastry. A tart can be a number of things. A Topper is a comic which ceased production in the 1970's.


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Pie:




Leyther_Matt
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If you can't eat it with your hands then it's not a pie.

(Somebody should really come up with an alternative name for the cottage & shepherd's variety)


broodleyhoo
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Still have a couple of copies and an annual somewhere

Entirely agree with your disdain re the ceramic dish "pies"


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Darren Lovell
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A pie with only a pastry top is a stew with a pastry lid.IT IS NOT A PIE! Cool

A pie has pastry top, bottom and sides. Anything else is not a pie. As far as I'm concerned there is absolutely no room for manoeuvre on this irrefutable factWink



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Beef onion pie for me



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Karen Browne
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A pie is a baked dish which is usually made of a pastry dough casing that covers or completely contains a filling of various sweet or savoury ingredients.

Pies are defined by their crusts. A filled pie (also single-crust or bottom-crust), has pastry lining the baking dish, and the filling is placed on top of the pastry but left open. A top-crust pie has the filling in the bottom of the dish and is covered with a pastry or other covering before baking. A two-crust pie has the filling completely enclosed in the pastry shell. Shortcrust pastry is a typical kind of pastry used for pie crusts, but many things can be used, including baking powder biscuits, mashed potatoes, and crumbs.



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garethwrexy
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Also like pukka piesSmile



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Steak pies are good



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Steak pies are good


Dracula brand Stake pies.

What about a Beef Wellington? .


Ronsdog
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A pie is a baked dish which is usually made of a pastry dough casing that covers or completely contains a filling of various sweet or savoury ingredients.

Pies are defined by their crusts. A filled pie (also single-crust or bottom-crust), has pastry lining the baking dish, and the filling is placed on top of the pastry but left open. A top-crust pie has the filling in the bottom of the dish and is covered with a pastry or other covering before baking. A two-crust pie has the filling completely enclosed in the pastry shell. Shortcrust pastry is a typical kind of pastry used for pie crusts, but many things can be used, including baking powder biscuits, mashed potatoes, and crumbs.


Where would the Cornish Pasty fit into that list of descriptions then Karen?


broodleyhoo
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Thanks for that Karen.

I'd never thought a pie could be thought of as just a pastry base. That would bring things like quiche into pie territory, when I'd argue if they had sweet fillings, they'd be tarts (no sniggering at the back, there!) and if they had savoury fillings they'd be flans.

I think a pie certainly has to have a pastry top - it's what's on the base that was the original point at issue.


broodleyhoo
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100% with you on that one.

Pukka pies great value - esp when at 1 each in local supermarket. Freezer stock-up time!


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Thanks for that Karen.

I'd never thought a pie could be thought of as just a pastry base. That would bring things like quiche into pie territory, when I'd argue if they had sweet fillings, they'd be tarts (no sniggering at the back, there!) and if they had savoury fillings they'd be flans.

I think a pie certainly has to have a pastry top - it's what's on the base that was the original point at issue.


Lemon Meringue Pie ?.


broodleyhoo
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Yes, I think when we get into sweet confections the idea breaks down - the panto 'custard pie ' being another example.

So to try to get things back to the main course...a proper savoury main course pie needs pastry top and bottom.

That's the policy in my manifesto and I'm sticking to it!


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That's a steak



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