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Tykeoldboy
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Many European leagues have "B" sides in their national leagues, Spain comes to mind, and UEFA hasn't stopped Spanish clubs from competing in the CL or EL. There are restrictions to these "B" sides which means they can't play in the nationas top division or qualify for Europe, but the WFA could stop any reserve/academy side from qualifying for Europe. This would still strengthen the WPL and give TNS some decent opposition.



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"did the FAW ever approach UEFA with a properly thought through plan for southern and northern championships with the top [insert number here] in each playing off to decide a national champion? "

The answer is yes and they were told by UEFA it was a non starter.


And I suppose when you think of the distance that clubs in Russia have to travel for League matches you can understand why.


T P Johnson
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There is of course no promotion when you are at the top league of the pyramid. You represent your country in UEFA competitions.


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GSB
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Right down to parks level, no division at the summit of any structure can have credibility if it includes reserve teams.

Need a few points late in the season and the first team is playing dead rubbers? First team has a blank weekend? Strengthen the reserves, take points off teams who'd probably otherwise have beaten you, distort the table for the whole season and maybe help one side win the championship or see another relegated.


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Right down to parks level, no division at the summit of any structure can have credibility if it includes reserve teams.

Need a few points late in the season and the first team is playing dead rubbers? First team has a blank weekend? Strengthen the reserves, take points off teams who'd probably otherwise have beaten you, distort the table for the whole season and maybe help one side win the championship or see another relegated.


Completely agree with you.

I see only two ways that a Welsh Premier League can have real credibility;

1. Persuade Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham & Newport to leave the English system and join the Welsh League.

2. Overlay a franchise system, like the rugby regions. This requires massive funding and to make it interesting you'd have to throw money at big name players along the lines of China / USA to get the interest up.

Neither of these has any chance of happening.


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Some might argue that a Welsh Premier League game where 90% of the players are Welsh is much more true to itself than an English Premier League match where 90% are not English.

Credibility can be measured in a number of different ways.


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Some might argue that a Welsh Premier League game where 90% of the players are Welsh is much more true to itself than an English Premier League match where 90% are not English.

Credibility can be measured in a number of different ways.


That's a very slippery slope. And are 90 per cent of the players Welsh? I wouldn't mind betting there are twice as many Merseysiders as players from the capital.


007Dale
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Some might argue that a Welsh Premier League game where 90% of the players are Welsh is much more true to itself than an English Premier League match where 90% are not English.

Credibility can be measured in a number of different ways.


Quite ironic viewpoint, when the dominant force in Welsh Domestic football actually play in England.


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Both fair points. All I'm saying is that credibility is subjective.

The average match in the English Premiership is between two sides with hardly an Englishman between them on the pitch. Both clubs are likely to be owned either by a Far Eastern multinational or by shady businessmen from the US. The ground on which the match is played has been named after a Middle Eastern airline, and the kick-off time set to please armchair spectators somewhere else in the world. Ticket prices mean that many of the people who live in the shadow of the stadium can't afford to go. How credible is that as an English Premier League game?

The Welsh Premier League has its faults, and there have been few people on this forum more critical of aspects of it over the years than me! But to say it has no credibility is going too far.


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I watch quite a bit of the WPL on S4C and enjoy it. The way the latest crop of 3G pitches are performing is shifting my views on that.

To the extent it has a credibility problem, that's a rod it has made for its own back over the years - e.g. with the misrepresentation of gate figures. People think "What have they got to hide?" and the answer can only be "the fact levels of public interest are not as high as they'd like you to think".

And the kudos of being a top-flight league comes along with the question "Yes, but how many national championships often reprieve a club in a relegation place because no-one wants to go up?"


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There does not appear to be a promotion problem in North Wales. In South Wales football is run for the committee and players only. Most clubs have no interest in attracting supporters. You can tell this from how bad most clubs facilities are. They would prefer paying players to win the Welsh League.
Another problem is the South Wales media thanks to a certain Paul Abbandonato who is very anti the league and has been since its inception and who is head of sports at Media Wales.
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The point being made is that the WPL is a joke league. 12 clubs is a ridiculous number. The attendances drop year on year. Paul Abb is right to ignore it as it serves no purpose. the crowd figures are always inflated as Prestatyn will tell you from there time in the WPL. no wonder clubs from the south don't want to join. Its only Barry who want to get back.


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It sounds as if the debate about taking it to sixteen clubs will go on

http://welsh-premier.com/...ss-for-wpl-expansion


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A good crowd outside the top tier today. The attendance was 1247 at the Caernarfon Town v Porthmadog game.



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The point being made is that the WPL is a joke league. 12 clubs is a ridiculous number. The attendances drop year on year. Paul Abb is right to ignore it as it serves no purpose. the crowd figures are always inflated as Prestatyn will tell you from there time in the WPL. no wonder clubs from the south don't want to join. Its only Barry who want to get back.

So what would you do to improve this 'joke league'? What would Prestatyn tell us about inflated crowd numbers? There is an obvious reason why clubs from South Wales have little interest in joining the WPL and it has nothing to do with the supposed state of it.

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