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robert1988
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Firstly you cannot call the other competitors sore losers, because when the referendum didn't go your way, you protested on the streets on London asking for another, so its not different. Do you think the Olympics should do re matches because it was questionable that Team GB won a lot of medals? No.
The Lottery and Sky have heavily funded minority sports in this country. However I think the money should be spent elsewhere, because no one actually cares about sports, who cares about medals, not me. The only decent sports are football, darts and F1. Everyone I know hates playing sports. the money from the Lottery should be spent on the HS2 project, and North wales coast line electrification.


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However I think the money should be spent elsewhere, because no one actually cares about sports, who cares about medals, not me.


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I was against the Lottery when it began because I saw it as a way of taxing the poor (who wanted a win to improve their circumstances) as opposed to the wealthy or even just comfortably off who looked at the odds and said "no thank you".

On the other hand I have spent most of my sports loving life cringing in embarrassment as the country (or was that just the media) went mad celebrating a lone gold medal win at an Olympics. There was an echo of that this time round with the over the top reaction to Peaty's gold in swimming. In the past we stayed boringly amateur whilst competing against the professionals of the Soviet Bloc and the US College system. It was embarrassing for a sports loving country to do so pathetically every four years.

Now it's different. We've developed our own version of a medal factory and it's pleasing to be able see us doing so well. It's good for national morale and it makes us look good in the international community and I believe that's important for trade. The British can run a good Olympics (see London vs Rio) and they can create medal winning systems. What else can they do?

I would prefer all this to be paid for out of taxes levied on the whole community but if it was paid out of regular taxes it would soon be cut by governments and we'd be back where we were during most of my life - no hopers.


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Firstly you cannot call the other competitors sore losers, because when the referendum didn't go your way, you protested on the streets on London asking for another, so its not different. Do you think the Olympics should do re matches because it was questionable that Team GB won a lot of medals? No.
The Lottery and Sky have heavily funded minority sports in this country. However I think the money should be spent elsewhere, because no one actually cares about sports, who cares about medals, not me. The only decent sports are football, darts and F1. Everyone I know hates playing sports. the money from the Lottery should be spent on the HS2 project, and North wales coast line electrification.

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Here you go pick another topic we are giving too much money to.
FFS Darts & F1. GMFS.

''Everyone I know hates playing sports'' , I appreciate you don't drive around in F1 cars but I would have thought you may have played and enjoyed an odd game of darts, or do you have no friends to play with ?


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Everyone I know hates playing sports. the money from the Lottery should be spent on the HS2 project, and North wales coast line electrification.


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Maybe it's where you live in the country and your attitude to excerise and sport. Most people in my road take regular exercise and many take part in sport. My next door neighbours are in there late 70's they ride bikes the husband still coaches rowing and his wife still swims. Their children who live neaby are about the same age as me and do the same. I know lots of people in the 50's who still play sports. I walk nearly everywhere and would still play the likes of squash if it were not for a couple of injuries to my leg and eye that would probably make it foolish to do so. I've not got a bike at the moment but for many years I did a lot of cycling. I still do a small amout of running and have areceny got a treadmill.


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Firstly you cannot call the other competitors sore losers, because when the referendum didn't go your way, you protested on the streets on London asking for another, so its not different. Do you think the Olympics should do re matches because it was questionable that Team GB won a lot of medals? No.
The Lottery and Sky have heavily funded minority sports in this country. However I think the money should be spent elsewhere, because no one actually cares about sports, who cares about medals, not me. The only decent sports are football, darts and F1. Everyone I know hates playing sports. the money from the Lottery should be spent on the HS2 project, and North wales coast line electrification.


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Have you been employed by the forum to provoke heated debate Sly



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It was under consideration, but as we cannot pay minimum wage, Robert does it on a voluntary basis.

I do get fed up with the BBC hyping the British sportsmen and hardly given a breath to the gold medal winners, (if, for example Britain gets silver or bronze) unless the winner is world famous superstar (9 gold minimum).

However, the current situation is surely to be preferred to the commentators going on about the spirited performance from an athlete who comes in sixth

The lottery can be considered as a regressive, if voluntary tax, but at least some of its support comes because of the way the money is distributed. It has to go to projects that are popular, with the government directly funding projects such as HS2. Imagine the opposition groups to HS2 fighting an anti-lottery campaign. It would dent the income significantly.

What next, lottery support for Hinkley Point, Trident or just to keep the emergency room at your local hospital open?

Meanwhile, I must check my ticket



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What next, lottery support for Hinkley Point, Trident or just to keep the emergency room at your local hospital open?


We've already got The Health Lottery which, while not quite as direct as funding hospitals covers 'health-related good causes' which presumably could/would/should* be government-funded.

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Not sure it is actually a Tax on the poor, I have certainly seen people who collect benefit money from my local Post Office in the Co-op then before leaving the shop buy numerous scratch cards, packets of cigarettes and alcohol then proceed straight to the Weatherspoons a 100 yards away. Think that is more a problem with the person(s) than the lottery.

I don't do the Lottery, Smoke or Drink that is my choice it's not hard to make, in many cases people just need stronger will power.


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Yes, It's a voluntary tax.

So people have the choice whether to partake or not.
I have never done the Lottery, one reason was early on, when a Churchill descendant (who was rich enough already) was paid £12M from lottery proceeds for some documents of his grandfather. It might have been nice if he'd donated them to the nation anyway. Add to that their sh*t adverts....

Whichever cause the Lottery people decide to support will be popular with some people and not with others. Must be quite a hard job being one of the decision makers.

For me, the Olympics seem as good a cause as many others (should increase participation in sport, good for morale, etc.) for those participants who can't get sponsorship or pay for it themselves, although some more 'charitable' causes might be better (everyone has a different opinion on what those are, and you could argue that they should be paid for out of general taxes anyway). I'm not greatly in favour of HS2 (cost v benefits) and the governments already taken a lot of (direct) taxes for that anyway.

The problem is that a lot of people who partake don't have much money but believe that a win on the Lottery, or betting, or whatever, is their only change of improving their situation. Social and employment conditions are such that this 'million to one chance' is becoming ever more popular (witness X-factor, etc.). Sign of a sick society.



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Not sure it is actually a Tax on the poor


I think of it more as a tax on stupidity.


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A key principle of the Lottery good causes money is that it must not replace spending which is a statutory duty. It is therefore a neat way of getting money into sports, arts, heritage and charities while avoiding the tensions that always existed around Government spending on these causes.

Playing the Lottery is voluntary, so if you don't play it you can't really complain about how Lottery money gets distributed.

On a separate point, the medals table suggests a very strong correlation between national wealth and performance. It's not a level playing field. The Paralympics will be even more tilted.


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I must admit to not being particularly interested in the Olympics, only watch it now and then.

However, I am pleased that TeamGB are doing so well. How would we be fairing if the Russians hadn't decided that 'Dope Is Best', and they hadn't been almost completely excluded from these games ?


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However, I am pleased that TeamGB are doing so well. How would we be fairing if the Russians hadn't decided that 'Dope Is Best', and they hadn't been almost completely excluded from these games ?


Still 282 Russians at Rio 2016. They've only really been excluded by 3 or 4 sports.


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I must admit to not being particularly interested in the Olympics, only watch it now and then.

However, I am pleased that TeamGB are doing so well. How would we be fairing if the Russians hadn't decided that 'Dope Is Best', and they hadn't been almost completely excluded from these games ?

You've just reminded me of something from Spitting Image re. the 1984 LA Olympics, which the Eastern Bloc boycotted.

Their Olympic Report went something like ... The Americans came first, second and third. The British finished 35th, which isn't bad considering the opposition they would have faced.

Times have changed



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Basically agree that lottery money has funded Medals, especially in Cycling and Rowing. On the other hand you have only to go round the country to see where Lottery funded projects have transformed Non League football in this country hence a permanent boost to the local environment. Should the money be concentrated on these permanent local developments than sponsoring someone to win a medal once every 4 years?



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Not sure it is actually a Tax on the poor


I think of it more as a tax on stupidity.


I disagree that it's a tax on the poor or a tax on the stupid.

It's more like a tax on the insanely optimistic.

I confess to buying an occasional lottery ticket and have absolutely no issues with spending an occasional £2 thus.

I guess I'm an optimist.

Even though it is possible to quantify how much each medal has cost to produce , what isn't quantifiable is the massive lift the nation gets from Olympic success and how that translates in to positivity and respect from the rest of the World.

We can be proud of Team GB's achievements, unless you are a sour faced old killjoy, a Scottish Nationalist ...or both rolled in to one.


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Basically agree that lottery money has funded Medals, especially in Cycling and Rowing. On the other hand you have only to go round the country to see where Lottery funded projects have transformed Non League football in this country hence a permanent boost to the local environment. Should the money be concentrated on these permanent local developments than sponsoring someone to win a medal once every 4 years?


Athletes don't just compete every 4 years... they have other meetings too.


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...no one actually cares about sports,


That's a very sweeping, and incorrect, statement. A sizeable proportion of the population care very much about sport. All my friends like at least one sport and most of them like more than one. Many still take part in at least one sport at least occasionally and judging by the number of lycra clad cyclists I see on the roads locally, especially on a Sunday, it appears that our success in that particular sport has led to an upsurge in participation.

The same can be said of gymnastics. A coach we know said there's been a huge increase in membership of her club by young kids since the success of our team in 2012. Surely if our success is leading to kids, and indeed the general public at large, playing more sport and becoming fitter that's a good thing isn't it?


The only decent sports are football, darts and F1.


In your opinion.

Quite frankly I'm not the slightest bit interested in darts or F1. Neither am I interested in golf, show jumping or gymnastics. Others are however and I'd rather people were interested in sports that I personally don't like than none at all.




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 unless you are a sour faced old killjoy, a Scottish Nationalist ...or both rolled in to one.

Aren't you describing a Scottish Presbyterian there ?


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Not sure it is actually a Tax on the poor


I think of it more as a tax on stupidity.


It irritates that some on here view a voluntary wager, ie £2 lottery ticket, as a tax. It's not.
Paying tax, ie theft, is mandatory. No choice. No escape and no chance of winning anything.Tongue


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Not sure it is actually a Tax on the poor


I think of it more as a tax on stupidity.


It irritates that some on here view a voluntary wager, ie £2 lottery ticket, as a tax. It's not.
Paying tax, ie theft, is mandatory. No choice.


There is nothing mandatory in indirect taxation. You are free to consume or not to consume goods and services on which indirect taxes are levied. If you are addicted to smoking then tobacco duties are a tax on that addiction. If you are unaware of the odds against you in buying lottery tickets and you buy them week in, week out, along with all those scratch cards, then it's a fair comment to say that the Lottery is a tax on stupidity.


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Paying tax, ie theft, is mandatory.


Theft?

How would you pay for such things as national defence?


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The purchase of a lottery ticket is still a bet whatever the odds or however you wish to dress it up.

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