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For those of you football fans who also like trains etc. :)
I have read somewhere that National Rail will publish what lines it intends to electrify in CP6 in July 2017 (CP6 means control period, a period of 5 years for spending a certain amount of money on the railways, CP6 is April 2019-March 2024).
With the Midland mainline and the Trans Pennine mainline electrification delayed well into the next spending period, I think electrification in CP6 would be limited to only the Tier 1 routes. In March this year a task force split the northern lines into 3 tiers, depending on business case and how many diesels it would replace. Also the Ordsall chord might be finished in this period too.
The pacer trains are due to be scrapped in 2020, not because of safety concerns, but because of the disability discrimination act. The Valley lines in south Wales either needed newer diesels or electrification. The latter option chosen.
Only 2 electrification projects are currently running on time, the chase line and Bromsgrove line.
Assuming HS2 is built on time, then the North Wales coast line will have to be electrified, the welsh Government are putting forward good plans for that, it would cost 800m. Also assuming Tier 1 plans are done in CP6 then full electric trains can run from Holyhead to Manchester, either via Warrington or Northwich or even Crewe. Then onto Bradford and Hull via the Calder dale line. Halton Curve is not mentioned but it should be electrified to fill the gap, along with the curve of the WCML at Greenbank and the line through Middlewich with the re opening of the station there.
Someone once asked me how many railway lines or miles of track could you electrify for the same money as HS2.


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Think they need to get a grip of the electrification of the line from London to Bristol and South Wales first before they even think about anything else. All that is happening there is costs going up and parts of the project being delayed or dropped.


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Think they need to get a grip of the electrification of the line from London to Bristol and South Wales first before they even think about anything else. All that is happening there is costs going up and parts of the project being delayed or dropped.



Does this go anywhere near Oxford by any chance ?


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Someone once asked me how many railway lines or miles of track could you electrify for the same money as HS2.

But HS2, like HS1, will serve a common purpose as opposed to decreasing the journey time from
Barry to Barry Island by two minutes.




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Someone once asked me how many railway lines or miles of track could you electrify for the same money as HS2.

But HS2, like HS1, will serve a common purpose as opposed to decreasing the journey time from
Barry to Barry Island by two minutes.
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Bit too complicated for NOIQ so here you are Robert ''And your reply Robert was ?''.




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Bit too complicated for NOIQ so here you are Robert ''And your reply Robert was ?''.My reply was that you can electrify quite a lot of lines, however, this depends on infrastructure. you can have 10 miles of track that need no work done, and another 10 miles that need 5 bridges replaced and track doubling etc.



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Think they need to get a grip of the electrification of the line from London to Bristol and South Wales first before they even think about anything else. All that is happening there is costs going up and parts of the project being delayed or dropped.



Does this go anywhere near Oxford by any chance ?==============================================================================Yes, part of the electric spine project, Southampton to Nuneaton and Sheffield.This includes the East-West rail project and the electrification of the midland mainline and parts of the Chiltern, In my view the whole of the Chiltern line from Marylebone to Kidderminster should be electrified. The Chiltern and Midland Mainline are both capable of being upgraded to avoid the need for HS2.



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Think they need to get a grip of the electrification of the line from London to Bristol and South Wales first before they even think about anything else. All that is happening there is costs going up and parts of the project being delayed or dropped.



Does this go anywhere near Oxford by any chance ?


Yes and no as in a later post it was meant to be part of a spine. At one point it was suggested it would come off at Didcot and go to Brum. Then it was Didcot to Oxford with a extra platform to the south of the station. First the new platform was dropped now the electrification has been put on hold. The station has been earmarked to be rebuilt or moved for years but nothing happens. Even the new line to Marylebone has not reached Oxford due to various issues meaning it stops at Kidlington. In theory the east west route should also be coming.

It's all totally useless for where I live as the station is the otherside of Oxford and the time it takes to get there, the cost of public transport, parking and the actual fares are so high it's a non starter as far as I am concerned. As I've said before timewise and moneywise if I wanted to travel by train I would drive to Swindon, Risborough or Leamington before boarding one. In doing so I cut many fares in more than half even using the split ticketing method.


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No you are almost right.
all the electrification projects that were on hold are now back underway with a delayed date, but Oxford was not put on hold. Bedford to Sheffield and the Trans Pennine mainline was put on hold.
Also the new service goes from Marylebone to a new station at Oxford Parkway.
The GWML Electrification to Oxford should be completed by December 2016, the electrification will then carry on to Nuneaton via Banbury, and the new East West rail line to Bedford.
Oxford to Oxford Parkway is due for completion soon.
The Chester to Wrexham doubling is over running due to cable problems, it should be operational by now, delayed till 2016.
Halton Curve is due to open in 2018,
I mentioned Middlewich in a previous post, I've never been there, does anyone who has think it would be good to re open the line from Sandbach to Northwich to regular passenger use, with the middlewich station re opening.


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There appears to be no movement on the bit from Didcot to Oxford locals involved with the railway think it will be put back. Nothing has been done at Oxford station for either the electrification or the link to parkway. The planning was only past a month or two ago for the platforms for the latter and nothing has happened. The bit Parkway could be years away as objection after objection are being raised. The station can't cope at the moment nor can the surrounding area which is currently being redesigned at the moment. There is also the thing of moving the station to the Oxpens. Locally there is actually far more support for more local lines and network using the line to Morris Cowley aka BMW and putting in local stops at Park & Rides if only to cut down on the traffic problems in and around the city. The current location of the station and the new Parkway one is of no use to the population east of the Cherwell. A Parkway station at Redbridge would also solve many problems.


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Think they need to get a grip of the electrification of the line from London to Bristol and South Wales first before they even think about anything else. All that is happening there is costs going up and parts of the project being delayed or dropped.


There's plenty of work going on around Yate and Chipping Sodbury at the moment. The line runs to the South of the built up area and there are temporary compounds all along the A432 with Kier being the main contractors. Bridges are being raised or replaced and other enabling works are ongoing. I know people ( a couple of brickies) who are being taken on by Kiers and their subbies and being paid ridiculously high wages.
If you go on to the network rail website there is some great timelapse footage of the replacement of the Wapley footbridge in South Yate and the lowering of the track through the Box tunnel near Chipping Sodbury.
I don't know how to do links but this is the web address : www.networkrail.co.uk/great-western-route-modernisation/south-gloucestershire/


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Overhead line gantries have been put up all around Cholsey an the Goring Gap area. Locals have said they have ruined the local surrounding views. Also near Tilehurst, some overhead wired have been installed.
Also the line from Glasgow to Edinburgh has some Overhead line equipment installed. Does anyone exactly what line are being upgraded in the EGIP programme, is the Inverness line being electrified too?
The East West rail line looks really good as it connects the GWML at Oxford with the Chiltern line, WCML, MML and ECML, and possibly Cambridge too. Parts of this projects come under the Evergreen 3 Chiltern project, which involve the new curve linking Bicester Village to the Chiltern line. Bicester Town name change to Bicester Village and the opening of Oxford Parkway and the redoubling of Islip station.
Would be interesting to see which way would be quicker or cheaper between Oxford and London when the whole project is done.


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That sketch of a redeveloped Queen Street has to be a joke. It makes the 1960s Birmingham New Street look stylish.

What a pity British Railways failed to go through with its 1950s plans to divert Queen Street HL services in to a redeveloped Buchanan Street station. That really was a missed opportunity.


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Would be interesting to see which way would be quicker or cheaper between Oxford and London when the whole project is done.


Think in theory Paddington is going to be 6 minutes quicker but from a footballing point of view Marylebone is better due to it's closeness to Baker Street. For those of us on the east side of Oxford driving to Risborough, Haddenham or Goring is still the quickest and cheapest options of going to London by train. Though most around here use the two coach services and get off at Hillingdon or Notting Hill Gate unless they want to go south of the river.

Totally as an aside Hanborough on the Cotswold Line has far higher usage than it used to do and the car park has had to be extended a couple of times. It's quite noticeable that many of the cars parked there are from Gloucestershire it appears folk from east of Cheltenham drive to Hanborough to go to London and stations in between rather than going Cheltenham, Swindon London


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Isn't there proposals for a new station at Worcester Parkway, that could be good for changing trains as it sits on two lines.
Does anyone know if East West rail is a new TOC or different TOCs just using the line once it's opened? Also it is due to open before the whole line to Bedford is electrified so they need to invest in bi mode trains and take the engine out once completed.


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Think stage one is Oxford to Milton Keynes via Bletchley with a reopening of Winslow station and a extention from Aylesbury Parkway to Verney Junction?. All being run by Chiltern. Also talk of them doing a Oxford to Rugby service. No mention in these parts of electrification past the south side of Oxford station and there is very little movement on that.


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The GWML to Oxford should be electric by next December, we shall have to wait and see, I don't know if any masts are up around Didcot Parkway.
Once the masts are up, then it does not take long to put the wires up, like 1.5km per day or something like that.


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There is work going on just west of Didcot station past where the line goes off to Oxford, the off line stuff - power plant?. The same is happening where Wantage Road station used to be, another station that needs to be reintroduced!. Think gantries have got to between Cholsey and Didcot. There has already been a threat of legal by residents in the Grandpont area of Oxford they say there should be no overnight and weekend work and all work should be 9 to 5 Monday to Friday. Like the Oxford to Oxford Parkway section there will objection after objection about noise and speed.


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Nice new trains coming soon though, class 800, 801 and 387. Plus 319s which are being spread about around the country.
I am not sure if Cross Country Trains are keeping their HST sets or replacing them.


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New trains certainly, but expensive and with niceness still to be demonstrated, plus as you say the 319s which might disappoint some. Cascades often aren't popular, for example the good folk of Mortimer and Bramley became quite exercised about the two prototype 150s when they were sent there to help relieve FGW's stock shortage. Second hand trains from the Midlands, what on earth is the world coming to, etc, etc.
The electrification tactics appear to be get to Swindon at all costs, use the bi-mode from there and hope that takes the heat out of it. Strikes me as somewhat optimistic, even if it all works perfectly from the start.
Given that the MML has always come out with a better cost benefit than the Western it's a bit galling for the East Midlands and South Yorkshire folk to it to be pushed further and further back. Problem I suspect is that it's too far from Knutsford to be in the Northern Powerhouse proper.
Meanwhile HS2 rolls on. Celebratory Crewe area groundhop in 2027 perhaps?


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Given that the MML has always come out with a better cost benefit than the Western it's a bit galling for the East Midlands and South Yorkshire folk to it to be pushed further and further back.


It's not electrification we need here but more carriages (and with more legroom). East Midland Trains told me only last month that "there is no current view to obtaining further rolling stock during the EMT franchise."

We'll take half-a-dozen of FGW's clapped-out HSTs right now.


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The class 319's that have been given to Northern are welcome. Despite being the same age as the 142 pacers, the 319s are built with better quality.
I presume EMT are on a no growth franchise.
I am noticing a lot more doubled up trains in my area. When I go to Northwich it is always a doubled up train.
Technically, cascaded trains are not second hand, they are still owned by the leasing company.
I do not know what new diesel trains the new Northern franchise will get, hopefully none and instead continue to electrify lines and invest in Electric trains.
Trans Pennine are also going to have to get new electrics for the Trans Pennine electrification, this then means you have spare class 185s to give to northern.

Another option is if the Cardiff Valley lines are converted to the Cardiff Metro then there are spare diesels available, the down side is most of them are pacers which are being withdrawn by the DFT.


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That sketch of a redeveloped Queen Street has to be a joke. It makes the 1960s Birmingham New Street look stylish.

What a pity British Railways failed to go through with its 1950s plans to divert Queen Street HL services in to a redeveloped Buchanan Street station. That really was a missed opportunity.


This page has the plan for the proposed redevelopment: http://www.hipkiss.org/.../maps.pl?cat=glasgow

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