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Mr. T
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Highlights of New Zealand v. England on ITV at 10:40 tonight. What they'll show after 10:50 is anybody's guess.


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Makes the Scotland v England game tonight an even bigger "must win" game for Morgan & his boys. If they don't absolutely hammer us (a part-time team coached by former England all-rounder Paul Collingwood) even bigger questions will be asked about the Limited Over philosophy of English cricket.



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Well that showed them whose boss (on this Island anyway)Tongue



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Scotland's inability to bowl the best sides out is always going to be a problem at this level. Their batting has certainly improved in the last couple of years though and it would be nice if they could get a few chances at this level, though the top level cartel has managed to cut the World Cup to 10 teams next time round. Here's hoping that Ireland, a damned good one day side, can make it to the quarters to give the arrogant Test playing nations a bloody nose. Bear in mind that comes from an Englishman.


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Moeen Ali becomes the first English-born cricketer to score a World Cup century for England since Graham Gooch in 1987.

"Majid 'aq. What sort of name is that? Is eeeee Scottish?"
Geoff Boycott.


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ChrisLUFC
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What a game between Ireland and the UAE today. Probably the best game of the World Cup so far. This makes another mockery of the decision to reduce the number of teams in the 2019 World Cup. How are sides such as Afghanistan (what a story by the way) and the UAE (scored just short of 300 in both innings so far) ever going to improve when they aren't coming up against the best, or even having the incentive in some cases?


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The petition below is trying to get the decision reversed re the cutting of associated nations at the 2019 World Cup in England.


https://www.change.org/p/international-cricket-council-reverse-the-decision-to-reduce-the-2019-world-cup-to-ten-teams


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Signed. It's a dreadful idea (though given England's performances so far it might be the only way we qualify).

ICC are supposed to be encouraging a wider global spread of the game, not pulling up the drawbridge to suit their three wealthy members. How are sides like Afghanistan and Ireland to progress if there is no forward path? Look at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...ed-to-our-sport.html

It's a worrying trend. Last week the Union premiership clubs were talking of abolishing promotion and relegation.

Yes, structure IS important in promoting quality at a national level. The Irish RFU model has worked really well. They seem to have taken the clubs with them into the new structure, so the clubs are happy/proud to provide players to the provincial and national sides. And with a big increase in participation at all levels of the game. Financed by good negotiations at ERB/Six Nations/Pro12 level.

It's a real kick in the teeth that AFG/IRE/UAE can compete and provide upsets/competitiveness at the cricket world cup, only to reduce the associate teams in the next one.

Why not four groups of four?

Seed eight of the ten test countries (I'd have said BanglaDesh and Zimbabwe but might have to include England!)
Two unseeded test countries
Plus six associates (UAE/AFG/NED/CAN/USA/IRE/SCO). ICC claim they want to spread the game to China etc...

But maybe there's no money in it for the big three.

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AndyE
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Four groups of four would mean that each team had only three games, and the ICC doesn't consider that to be enough. That's basically because it might only need one unexpected result for one of its big three to fail to reach the quarters. (Suppose one of the groups is Australia, India, Ireland, and Burkina Faso. If Ireland flukes a win over India and every other game goes as expected, India are out.)

Twelve or fourteen teams in two groups is the right size, but they need to be the right twelve or fourteen. The ICC's big problem was that it awarded test match status to Bangladesh and Zimbabwe even though they're not good enough, and it would be difficult for it to revoke that status. One day cricket is a different beast, and in fairness to Bangladesh they're a reasonable team in the 50 over format; depending on what happens in the World Cup, they could move above West Indies to #8 in the rankings. Zimbabwe, on the other hand, could move below Ireland.

The way I would do it would be for only four countries to be given automatic World Cup slots - but the ICC won't do this, because England wouldn't be one of the four. (On the current one day rankings, Australia, India, South Africa are the top three, and either New Zealand or Sri Lanka will be #4 depending which does better in the World Cup.)

As for participation in non-test-match nations, the ICC does have a problem here. Indian and Pakistani communities start cricket teams wherever they find themselves in the world, but cricket cannot be sustainable in a country unless the locals start playing it. They didn't much in Kenya, and cricket in Kenya has pretty much died even though they were World Cup semi-finalists three tournaments ago.

They don't in Canada, the UAE, or the USA - cricket in these countries is 90+% South Asian. At present Afghanistan, Denmark, Ireland, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, and Scotland are pretty much the only non-test countries where very many locals play cricket, and those are probably the countries the ICC ought to concentrate on.


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Difficult to get the balance right on the best format required. The 4 x 4 groups was tried in 2007 and as you say that exactly happened as India lost to Bangladesh in the group stages and went home after just 3 games. Also a 6 to 7 week tournament in my view is just far too long.


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Eoin Morgan must regret abandoning his own country for a mercenary career with England.


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A bit harsh. It was his only route into Test cricket, one taken by other Irishmen as well as Scots and the Welsh.


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Did you have something to say, Jon?


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I think he might have taken the result very badly.


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Apparently not Cool

Must have been censored by the ghost in the machine Tongue

I was just musing on whether Alastair Cook's huge grin will have to be surgically removed.


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Well that was a shock, after almost six weeks of mind-numbing tedium enlivened only by the exploits of the Associate nations (who, obviously, the ICC now want to bar from future World Cups) there has been an exciting finish to a meaningful match.

Of course it was rather less surprising that South Africa were knocked out by a South African playing for another country.


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South Africa's best bowler on the night wasn't South African!

The only associate who made any lasting impression was Ireland & if they hadn't been a bit naughty and claimed a catch that clearly wasn't to beat Zimbabwe they'd have been eliminated earlier.

Not sure we'll remember much of what UAE, Scotland & Afghanistan did to be fair.



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As soon as a pathetic England got knocked out, the World Cup became hugely enjoyable.

The standards of play set by the semi-finalists shows how far behind the England team now are.

The whole English cricket calendar needs a shake-up. Michael Atherton's concept of eight regional sides is spot on.


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Ireland are as good as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, but eleven nations with elite status would be an awkward number. Eight would work, but India would never allow Bangladesh to be "relegated" so it would have to be twelve.

The UAE has the money, Scotland and the Netherlands have the infrastructure and the tradition of cricket, and Afghanistan has the potential in the remote event that the country ever becomes stable. But none is good enough on the field at present, so organising world level cricket is going to be awkward for a while to come.


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I tend to agree, but there's no way that it will ever happen. The way the ECB is set up, the counties would have to vote in favour of any such proposal. I doubt that any of the eighteen would do so, let alone the majority that would be required. Hampshire is the least unlikely since its "members" are actually seaon ticket holders and can't vote at the AGM, but at seventeen of the counties a bunch of 80 year old men would have to agree to any change - and they just won't.

Worse, the ECB has less interest than ever in league cricket and won't spend any money on it. The number of Premier Leagues has been allowed to increase again this year with Hertfordshire making 27, and on current plans it will be 31 in three years' time (Yorkshire planning a split from two to four, maybe a new one based on Manchester although this is controversial, and Dorset looking for Premier status). The figure should actually be eight.


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20/1 with William Hills for the Aussies to win this year's Ashes 5-0


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India would never allow Bangladesh to be "relegated" so it would have to be twelve.

The only reason India ever wanted Bangladesh to have Full Member status was to rely on their vote. Now that the big three have taken over the voting system India's interest in them will die completely. They have never had the slightest interest in playing them. In the fourteen years since Bangladesh attained Full Membership they have granted them seven test matches, 22 ODIs (of which four have been in World Cups and not one in India) and just two T20s (both in World T20s). India's commitment to growing the game worldwide is non-existent.


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The whole English cricket calendar needs a shake-up. Michael Atherton's concept of eight regional sides is spot on.


Yep! Combine Yorkshire and Lancashire for starters.

(Lights blue touchpaper and retires...)


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Paul Downton has been sacked – and so has his post. James Whittaker appears vulnerable but Peter Moores seems safe for now.

http://www.theguardian.com/...naging-director-post

Michael Vaughan and Andrew Strauss are being talked up for roles in a new management structure.

 
 


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