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Feversham Lens
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In two minds about posting on this, not least because it's a rapidly developing story. But, with York City Knights RLFC's first pre-season friendly scheduled for tomorrow, it seems silly not to.

In a nutshell, York City Knights RLFC is effectively homeless. City of York Council (key player in the proposed 'community stadium' to be shared by York City FC and York City Knights RLFC) and York City FC (who were to have offered York City Knights RLFC a temporary home at Bootham Crescent for the 2015 season) are now refusing to deal with York City Knights RLFC whilst John Guildford remains in place as its chairman and majority shareholder. I'll not go into the reasons: there's way too much 'well, he said that ...' and 'OK, but she said this ...' to arrive at an accurate conclusion. York City Knights RLFC cannot return to City of York Council-owned Huntington Stadium, its home since 1989, because the club's lease has expired and won't be renewed. Huntington Stadium is to be flattened, and the 'community stadium' (I use inverted commas advisedly: the scheme appears to be all about corporate cash rather than community benefits) erected in its place. And Bootham Crescent is no longer an option. Guildford seems adamant he will not step down. Impasse.

York City Knights RLFC's first pre-season game, tomorrow afternoon, against Hull FC, has been switched to the Keepmoat Stadium, Doncaster.

Where the club plays in the long term - if, indeed, the club has any future - remains to be seen.


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It is a real shame to see this happening. Many York fans were feeling extremely positive about the next few years. I understand that the move to the more centrally located Bootham crescent and subsequent move to the new ground was drawing lots of lapsed supporters out of hiding. Now I suspect they will all slump back into their chairs for the next decade. Hard to side with either party here. On the one hand, the council does seem to greatly favour the football club, and just about all the money raised from the ground (commercial and hospitality) was going to go to the football, even when raised at the rugby matches. On the other hand, the city knights chairman does seem to be a rather acquired taste, with many of the clubs fans put out by his antics. Mind, the council surely can't demand an independent club remove its chairman because they don't like him before talks resume.


Sadly, this just continues a catalogue of disasters with the whole scheme. My father works in environmental consultancy, and the company he works for did some of the work at the site. At the beginning, the plans were put on show to the public, and a farmer noticed that he would lose a field. This wasn't a big thing though, as it was 'set aside' (the scheme that pays farmers not to farm). He twigged that if he were to use the field with a cheap crop, he would be due much more compensation. So he went away and ploughed the field. Now this is York, a city with a long history, so unsurprisingly he turned up some pottery. He declared what he had found to the council, who now had to get the site excavated before any work could be done. The local archaeologists came in and excavated, making many interesting finds. However, when they finished one of two things should have happened. Either the builders move in to start work, or you put it back as it was. They left it, assuming the work would quickly start, which it didn't. This meant they left the field bare. The soil was clay based, doesn't drain well, and they had left lots of little excavation pits in it. It was pointed out this could be a problem. Next to the site was a stream known to contain newts. If the pits filled with water in summer, the newts might move in. Nothing was done, no newt fencing put up or anything, and a few years later there was a wet summer. Low and behold, as predicted the newts moved in, including some great crested newts. This was a serious problem. If it had been common newts the scheme could have proceeded (which it was finally ready to do so), but as an endangered species, each individual great crested has protection under the law, and the killing of any individual leads to a jail term. It was suggested that the work on the site continue around, but it just so happened that this field was needed as the main access point for the whole site. This put the scheme in serious doubt. Fortunately they decided to delay the scheme long enough to allow for a thorough job of removing as many newts as possible, rather than the alternative of cancelling the scheme. And all because the local version of time team dug some holes in a field.


Feversham Lens
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Some hope for a positive outcome: John Guildford, majority shareholder in York City Knights RLFC, is prepared to step down as club chairman. Voting in an online poll conducted by the York Press is three to one in favour of him quitting.

A club statement issued today reads:

"Following on-going disagreements over the future of the Knights and the location at which the Knights will play while the York Community Stadium is constructed, alongside calls from both City of York Council and York City Football Club for Mr Guildford to stand down, on top of their action in embargoing him from any future discussions and meetings, the Knights chair believes standing down will enable bodies on the Knights side to begin discussing the project again and agree a deal for the immediate/long-term future. Mr Guildford will be meeting shareholders to agree a new way forward for the club, and has said that in light of the council and football club stating that a deal will only be put forward again if he stands down, he has been left with no choice but to look for a new chair that can help secure a future for the Knights. Mr Guildford would like to assure fans that he will only leave the club in the safest hands and has nothing but the good intentions of the club at heart with such actions. Further updates will be provided as and when we have more to report."


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This is a brilliant story. Is there any more to add to it?


Feversham Lens
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Overall situation remains unchanged but York's daily newspaper reports today that a 78-year-old rugby league fan is refusing to pay his council tax. It seems he expressed his concerns about the impasse to the leader of City of York Council, who said he shared them but was unable to discuss the matter. The old guy is prepared to go to prison.

For those who like to watch rugby league at unusual venues, York's pre-season friendly with Featherstone on Sunday is being played at Pontefract RUFC. I'm guessing the game isn't at Fev's Post Office Road because of problems with the pitch there.


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Four new directors have joined the York City Knights board. They are to "work alongside" controversial chairman John Guildford. City of York Council recently stated its unwillingness to deal with Guildford in talks over the proposed community stadium to be shared with York City FC. Guildford has signed an agreement not to interfere with the talks (assuming they resume). At present, with Guildford persona non grata with both the local authority and the football club, the Knights are homeless. The new directors, three of whom are York-born, will take control of the rugby league club's negotiations over the community stadium. This latest development could result in the Knights, after all, playing at City's Bootham Crescent ground during the forthcoming rugby league season.

York's rearranged pre-season friendly with Castleford on Sunday (1/2) has been scrapped, despite York RUFC being prepared to stage it at their Clifton Park ground.


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Feversham Lens
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Latest is that York RL have staged a training session at Clifton Park, home of York RU. Both parties were very positive about the experience, and it will be repeated. York Sports Club, which owns the Clifton Park ground, is prepared to let the RL club's reserve team play there. In principle, YSC is not opposed to York RL having senior fixtures at the venue. YSC is talking about hosting early season first team games at Clifton Park - assuming the impasse outlined earlier in this thread continues. Biggest stumbling block is Clifton Park falling well short of the standards required by the RFL of Championship One venues. If York RL were to spend 2015 at the ground, a stand (meccano-style, presumably) with 500 seats would have to be erected, the site would need enclosing and turnstiles put in. It all depends, I guess, how desperate the RL club becomes as the season draws nearer.


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Latest is that York RL have staged a training session at Clifton Park, home of York RU. Both parties were very positive about the experience, and it will be repeated. York Sports Club, which owns the Clifton Park ground, is prepared to let the RL club's reserve team play there. In principle, YSC is not opposed to York RL having senior fixtures at the venue. YSC is talking about hosting early season first team games at Clifton Park - assuming the impasse outlined earlier in this thread continues. Biggest stumbling block is Clifton Park falling well short of the standards required by the RFL of Championship One venues. If York RL were to spend 2015 at the ground, a stand (meccano-style, presumably) with 500 seats would have to be erected, the site would need enclosing and turnstiles put in. It all depends, I guess, how desperate the RL club becomes as the season draws nearer.


Is York RUFC a worse ground than Oldham RLFC?



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Feversham Lens
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That's an interesting one. The pitch and nearly new clubhouse at Clifton Park are excellent. Both way ahead of anything at Whitebank Stadium, Oldham. Problem is, Clifton Park has one small stand and no permanent seats. There are a few benches on a handful of steps of terracing in the stand. No hardstanding to speak of, either, and the south side abuts a cricket square. Clifton Park lacks turnstiles and the ground is not fully enclosed. Whether it could cope even with York RL's lowest crowds - about 500 - is debatable. The RFL would need to bend its rules somewhat to give Clifton Park a clean bill of health. Should York RL's crowds rise - very likely, if they return to the city centre - it would make Clifton Park's shortcomings even more apparent. Nonetheless, Clifton Park is a lovely enclosure, albeit for the crowds of 100-150 the RU club attracts. Incidentally, it does have floodlights.

Clifton Park


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They were quite happy to bend their rules last season for Sheffield, particularly with regard to the minimum requirements for seats.

I have little knowledge of club cricket in Yorkshire with regards to how often they play on Sundays, but I suspect the biggest problem with playing at Clifton Park could be clashes with cricket matches. They could play Friday nights I suppose, but I doubt the cricketers would be too keen on the possibility of having their outfield churned up just before any weekend games.


Feversham Lens
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York City Knights RLFC and City of York Council are talking to each other again. The online version of the York Press quotes the RFL's Ralph Rimmer as claiming "all parties are keen to find a solution". Nothing, it would appear, has been ruled in or out, which means the RL club could be invited back as an active participant in the community stadium project and may, after all, end up playing its 2015 home fixtures at Bootham Crescent, home of York City FC. Sounds as though Rimmer has done his bit by knocking a few (bone) heads together.


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York's 'A' (or reserve) team will play its 2015 home fixtures at Clifton Park, home to York RUFC. This season, the five-team reserve competition in which York feature is age unrestricted.

Clifton Park dates for rugby league as follows (all Thursdays, 8pm kick-off):

April 9 v Sheffield; April 30 v Featherstone; May 21 v Dewsbury; June 4 v Leigh; June 18 v Keighley; July 16 v Leigh; Aug 6 v Dewsbury.

Still no word on where York's first team will play in 2015.


Feversham Lens
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York's new board are to meet with Tim Atkins, community stadium project manager, on Wednesday (February 25th). Atkins addressed a get-together of York supporters last Thursday (February 19th), and appeared most impressed by their passion for rugby league and enthusiasm for the community stadium. Likely scenario? York, after all, to play their 2015 home fixtures at Bootham Crescent and return to the new stadium project fold.


Feversham Lens
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Well, this story never stops giving. Latest twist is JM Packaging Ltd, which owns 75 per cent of York City FC, looking to take over York City Knights RLFC. Jason McGill, City chairman and owner of JM Packaging Ltd, says the RL club would still have its own board of directors but finance would be made available to enable it to "flourish in future years". I imagine, by now, McGill is painfully aware there's no money in lower division (or Conference) football. Presumably, he knows the same applies to the semi-professional arm of rugby league. Perhaps McGill's pockets are bottomless.


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RFL website is saying that these games will be at York St John's University Andrew. Does that ground have floodlights?



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Feversham Lens
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I've just rung York, Ian. Apparently, both Clifton Park (York RUFC) and the York St John's University ground meet the RFL's requirements (eg floodlights, spectator accommodation) for staging reserve team matches. The city's daily newspaper reported last week that Clifton Park would be the venue for all York's A team fixtures in 2015. Chap I spoke to at the club said, although it hadn't been officially announced as the venue, Clifton Park (he suspects) will be staging the club's reserve games this season.


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Feversham Lens
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The RFL has given homeless York RL special dispensation to stage at Clifton Park - the York RU ground - their iPro Sport League Cup quarter-final with Newcastle. The tie will be played on March 15th (3pm kick-off).

http://www.yorkcityknights.co.uk/News/Article/38883


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In a fresh twist (as the cliche goes), York RLFC's new board of directors has pulled out of talks over the proposed community stadium, to be shared with York City FC. They could not reach an agreement about matchday arrangements with the project's leader, City of York Council. It appears the deal offered originally to - and rejected by - former club chairman John Guildford has been changed. With the season proper looming, and no agreement in place for a suitable venue in York at which to play first team games, the future is starting to look bleak for the club.

More here:

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/sport/yorkcityknights/11880275.BREAKING__York_City_Knights_future_thrown_back_into_turmoil_as_new_board_withdraw_from_stadium_talks_with_council/


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Feversham Lens
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Still no word, either from the club or the city's daily newspaper, as to where York City Knights will play their home matches this season.

Concerned supporters have started an online petition, seeking assistance from the RFL in removing club owner John Guildford, in most eyes the villain of the piece. The petition has attracted more than a thousand signatories.


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York City Knights' first home game of the League One season, against Coventry Bears on April 26th (3pm), will be played at Clifton Park, home of York RUFC. The RFL must be bending its rules (again) because the ground does not meet the minimum requirements for hosting this standard of rugby league. Clifton Park staged York's iPro Sport Cup tie with Newcastle Thunder last month.

Meanwhile, the complete shambles York RLFC has become limps on. Latest revelations:

1 One of four directors brought in recently to negotiate a deal to play at the proposed community stadium (sharing with York City FC) has stepped down. Gary Dickenson claims the (allegedly revised) terms offered by City of York Council would leave York RLFC losing money.

2 York RLFC, it seems, still want to share Bootham Crescent this season but no agreement has been reached with York City FC.

3 JM Packaging, York City FC owners, says talks aimed at securing a takeover of the RL club have failed to bear fruit.


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You have to wonder how long it will be before Mr Guildford is forced to step aside. Some of his comments in recent weeks about the disabled supporters of the club have been utterly sickening.


Feversham Lens
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Not sure who is going to do the forcing, Outlaw. Guildford's the majority shareholder. Has the habitually gutless RFL the stomach for it?

Maybe the only solution is for the club's few remaining supporters to boycott home games, precipitating a financial collapse.

Then, perhaps, a new club could be set up (hardly unheard of in the uncertain world of professional rugby league), with the aim of taking defunct York City Knights' place in League One. Where a new club would play, though, is anyone's guess.


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Am contemplating a trip for York v South Wales Scorpions on Friday May 22 - is there any update on where they're playing? On their website, the news said the first game was at Clifton Park, but the matches & results has that at Huntington, but the next one just as 'York' and subsequent games at Bootham Crescent....



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Last new football ground (957) Kingsway Park Ashland Rovers 2-0 Underwood Villa
With FC United: 135
On the agenda:
22/10 Rocester v NKF Burbage
27/10 Floriana v Senglea Athletic


Feversham Lens
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No idea, is the quick answer. Everyone, not least the RFL, is in the dark about York's intentions. Unless the RFL plans on kicking York out of the comp, I suspect the match will be at Clifton Park, assuming York RUFC do not raise an objection. The whole saga is a complete farce - with no satisfactory ending in sight.


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Thanks Feversham Lens - if I am going, will give the club a call first!



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Last new football ground (957) Kingsway Park Ashland Rovers 2-0 Underwood Villa
With FC United: 135
On the agenda:
22/10 Rocester v NKF Burbage
27/10 Floriana v Senglea Athletic

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