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I'm not sure what most peoples opinions on a Team GB Football Squad is, I like the idea, but to get each FA singing off the same hymn is seeming to be impossible and it looks likely it is going to be an England team to represent us in football, at the end of the day, I do not mind this, if that is the final decision, then fair enough, I will accept that, but other Home Nations players should be allowed and welcomed into the setup if they so wish, 2 names mentioned already is Craig Gordon and Gareth Bale, I don't think either of them will be adding Poland or Ukraine to there 2012 travel plans, especially Bale

At the end of the day would it be fair for the FAW to say no to Gareth Bale with further sanctions if he did play for GB, same with Craig Gordon and the SFA, not in my opinion.

Looking through some newsfeeds on my phone I came across a couple of links

http://news.sky.com/...Olympic_Football_Row

Gordon Taylor is trying to resolve the issue with the different FA's and according to the FAW President this is no longer about Wales' individual membership of FIFA, it is now about Wales wanting there own Olympic Team, I am not really sure what they would need to do for that, but I guess Full Independence from Great Britain is the starting point, same with Scotland and Northern Ireland, I would imagine.

Another link I found from a recent Daily Mail article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1365625/NICK-HARRIS-Gareth-Bales-Olympics-dream-boosted-legal-fight.html


It seems as if two Female Scottish are prepared to take legal action, which if they won, would also help the case for the likes of Gareth Bale and Craig Gordon, I have always maintained I would like to see a GB Team playing football at the Olympics, with the mutts nuts of young British players, I really do not understand peoples problems with Team GB Football.

If the Germans could put together a combined team in 1956, 1960, 1964

http://en.wikipedia.org/...fied_Team_of_Germany

I'm not sure about the Koreans, but the transition period after the Berlin Wall came down, The Eastern European Former Soviet Nations combined in both the Winter and Summer Olympics in that year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Team

If that lot can figure out a compromise then The FA, SFA, IFA, FAW can sort something out

I really do not see a problem with a Combined Team getting together every 4 years, in the same way the Lions do it in Rugby, and while the Olympics are here, I would have the GB Team playing at Different National Stadiums, Wembley, Hampden Park and The Millennium Stadium, although I am not sure on the state of Windsor Park, as I ain't been to Belfast for about 2.5 years now.

I am probably in a minority with my view on things, what does others think



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I'm quite undecided on the issue. As I understand it, the problem that is mentioned most often is that fielding a combined side would be a threat to the footballing independence of the home nations. I don't know how true this really is, but if I were asked to make the decision myself with that in mind I don't think I'd consider it worth the risk.

The other issue for me is the football tournament in general. I have a somewhat 'traditional' view that the Olympic tournament should be the pinnacle in any sport. When football has so many more important tournaments going on I think it should make way for something which needs the exposure more.


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I'm quite undecided on the issue. As I understand it, the problem that is mentioned most often is that fielding a combined side would be a threat to the footballing independence of the home nations. I don't know how true this really is, but if I were asked to make the decision myself with that in mind I don't think I'd consider it worth the risk.

The other issue for me is the football tournament in general. I have a somewhat 'traditional' view that the Olympic tournament should be the pinnacle in any sport. When football has so many more important tournaments going on I think it should make way for something which needs the exposure more.

Do you mean take Football off the Olympics, I mean wasn't the Olympics Football Tournament the catalyst to the World Cup.

As for Home Nations Footballing Independece, didn't Sepp Blatter once say that would not be threatened, saying that, this is Sepp Blatter we are talking about, I would not trust that man as far as I could spit, as for what the Sky News report said, it is not about a combined team anymore, it is about Wales wanting there own Olympic Team, I'm still quite fond of the idea, but your right in saying it is not worth the risk



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The response of the UK FAs which are not the English FA are perfectly understandable.

Many national FAs, particularly those from former British colonies are keen to see UK representation reduced to one team rather than four.

A combined UK team for the Olympics gives them ammunition for advancing their case.

It's no big deal for England. Because of England's population you would expect on average 9 or 10 of a UK 11 to be English. Internationals will undoubtedly be played at Wembley.

England has very little to lose. The rest of the UK has plenty to lose.


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What I mean is, I don't think the Olympics needs football, and I don't think football needs the Olympics. We have a World Cup, and we also have myriad youth tournaments. If it were a tournament involving amateur players or even semi-pro (say, England 'C' equivalent) I'd be interested because there doesn't exist a FIFA equivalent at that level, but I just don't think iti has a niche.

As for the threat to independence, I don't really believe there is one but no, I wouldn't take much notice of what Blatter says. I just can't see who would have that much incentive to want the home nations merged. The history that grew up around them is something that I think the footballing world appreciates, however mercenary some of the people in it may seem, and I don't think anything more than a tiny handful of football people around the world would really want to do away with that all for reduce their potential rivals by 3 (when 2 of the 4 pretty well never qualify for major tournos, and 1 usually doesn't*).

* the less said about the final 1 of the 4 the better... Crazy


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The response of the UK FAs which are not the English FA are perfectly understandable.

Many national FAs, particularly those from former British colonies are keen to see UK representation reduced to one team rather than four.

A combined UK team for the Olympics gives them ammunition for advancing their case.

It's no big deal for England. Because of England's population you would expect on average 9 or 10 of a UK 11 to be English. Internationals will undoubtedly be played at Wembley.

England has very little to lose. The rest of the UK has plenty to lose.


I just don't think this is the case. I know it gets reported but I've only ever seen (very) infrequent suggestions by individuals, which seem to go away pretty quickly. I haven't seen any indication of sustained campaign. Why would former colonies want that?


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The other three home nations have no objection to England representing the UK in the Olympics. Why can't it be left at that? There is nothing in it for the other three home nations. Why should they run the risk of antagonising those FAs who would like to see a diminution of UK power in world football? After all, it is hard to justify the UK FAs having 4 of the 8 seats on the International Board.


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There is the traditionalist in me that doesn't want it, but there is also a part of me wanting something else for a change, it is one of those arguments never get anywhere and go round in circles without finding a solution, like I have already stated, I would be happy to watch it every 4 years, but then there is the problem of keeping 3 other sets of supporters happy, and a United Kingdom Team based at Wembley would not go down very well with our friends in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland...

After 2012, I still maintain, I don't and won't have a problem with it, but I wouldn't ever want it at the expense of the other FA's.

We are damned if we do, damned if we don't.

How does the International Board work anyway, never done much research on it, if the UK has 50% of the votes in decision making, does anybody have a deciding vote, or is it simply if the UK don't agree with things, then our Home Nations can veto it



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How does the International Board work anyway, never done much research on it, if the UK has 50% of the votes in decision making, does anybody have a deciding vote, or is it simply if the UK don't agree with things, then our Home Nations can veto it


From Wiki-
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IFAB is made up of representatives from each of the United Kingdom's pioneering football associations—England's Football Association (The FA), the Scottish Football Association (SFA), the Football Association of Wales (FAW) and Northern Ireland's Irish Football Association (IFA)—and Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), the international governing body for football. Each UK association has one vote and FIFA has four. IFAB deliberations must be approved by three-quarters of the vote, which translates to at least six votes. Thus, FIFA's approval is necessary for any IFAB decision, but FIFA alone cannot change the Laws of the Game—they need to be agreed by at least two of the UK members. There is also a quorum requirement that at least four of the five member associations, one of which must be FIFA, have to be present for a meeting to proceed.
The Board meets twice a year, once to decide on possible changes to the rules governing the game of Football and once to deliberate on its internal affairs. The first meeting is called the Annual General Meeting (AGM) and the second is the Annual Business Meeting (ABM). Four weeks before the AGM, the member associations must send their written proposals to the secretary of the host association. FIFA then prints a list of suggestions that are distributed to all other associations for examination. The AGM is held either in February or March and the ABM is held between September and October.[2]
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Thanks dottirofhod, so they are the body that effectively write the international rule book then



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Tickets go on sale from tomorrow until 26 April.

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The other three home nations have no objection to England representing the UK in the Olympics. Why can't it be left at that? There is nothing in it for the other three home nations. Why should they run the risk of antagonising those FAs who would like to see a diminution of UK power in world football? After all, it is hard to justify the UK FAs having 4 of the 8 seats on the International Board.


I can't believe this is still the case - it's ridiculous*. As far as I understand, IFAB answers to FIFA who also hold the other 4 seats. Why isn't it just absorbed into FIFA? It would make more sense for the six continental confedrations to have seats.

* the one saving grace is that when people moan about the game being run by foreigners I can still point out that half those making the rules are British :)


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A lesson from cross-country history

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The other three home nations have no objection to England representing the UK in the Olympics. Why can't it be left at that? There is nothing in it for the other three home nations. Why should they run the risk of antagonising those FAs who would like to see a diminution of UK power in world football? After all, it is hard to justify the UK FAs having 4 of the 8 seats on the International Board.


I can't believe this is still the case - it's ridiculous*. As far as I understand, IFAB answers to FIFA who also hold the other 4 seats. Why isn't it just absorbed into FIFA? It would make more sense for the six continental confedrations to have seats.

* the one saving grace is that when people moan about the game being run by foreigners I can still point out that half those making the rules are British :)



You could look at it the other way round, if there were not 4 British seats on it what other laws would have been changed by now.

Would we even have an 11 a-side games with two 45 minute periods.


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The other three home nations have no objection to England representing the UK in the Olympics. Why can't it be left at that? There is nothing in it for the other three home nations. Why should they run the risk of antagonising those FAs who would like to see a diminution of UK power in world football? After all, it is hard to justify the UK FAs having 4 of the 8 seats on the International Board.


I can't believe this is still the case - it's ridiculous*. As far as I understand, IFAB answers to FIFA who also hold the other 4 seats. Why isn't it just absorbed into FIFA? It would make more sense for the six continental confedrations to have seats.

* the one saving grace is that when people moan about the game being run by foreigners I can still point out that half those making the rules are British :)



You could look at it the other way round, if there were not 4 British seats on it what other laws would have been changed by now.

Would we even have an 11 a-side games with two 45 minute periods.



If you recall the build up to USA '94, you will remember that the US football association tried to table a motion to move from two halves to four quarters. US advertisers were unhappy at the prospect of having a whole 45 minute period without the chance to flog their goods.
FIFA set up a committee to investigate. Not sure if they've reported back yet.


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The other three home nations have no objection to England representing the UK in the Olympics. Why can't it be left at that? There is nothing in it for the other three home nations. Why should they run the risk of antagonising those FAs who would like to see a diminution of UK power in world football? After all, it is hard to justify the UK FAs having 4 of the 8 seats on the International Board.


I can't believe this is still the case - it's ridiculous*. As far as I understand, IFAB answers to FIFA who also hold the other 4 seats. Why isn't it just absorbed into FIFA? It would make more sense for the six continental confedrations to have seats.

* the one saving grace is that when people moan about the game being run by foreigners I can still point out that half those making the rules are British :)



You could look at it the other way round, if there were not 4 British seats on it what other laws would have been changed by now.

Would we even have an 11 a-side games with two 45 minute periods.


You could, but I think you'd be taking a paranoid view. I think the UK is more like the US in its views on sponsorship and generally 'promoting' the game than most countries.


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Apparently Blackpool manager Ian Holloway has made it clear that none of his players will be taking part in the Olympic football tournament........................would they have been otherwise I wonder?


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Apparently Blackpool manager Ian Holloway has made it clear that none of his players will be taking part in the Olympic football tournament........................would they have been otherwise I wonder?


Does that mean he has asked them and they have said they won't take part, or that he won't allow it? I don't suppose he has any say if they choose to but I sympathise. The clubs pay the wages and while it is reasonable to expect the players to be allowed to play for their countries for meaningful (go on, someone pull me up on that! ;) ) tournaments, the Olympics is one I can imagine is a hard pill to swallow.


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meaningless, how so cope, the olympics is one of the biggest events in history.

how would it not benefit the others, it would give young players a crack at an international level tournament



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meaningless, how so cope, the olympics is one of the biggest events in history.

how would it not benefit the others, it would give young players a crack at an international level tournament


meaningless because the football tournament is just one more youth tournament. These are already provided by FIFA and continental confederations.

I'm not sure what the benefiting others bit is about although the point about a crack at international level tournament should be covered by above.

My problem with the Olympics is, as I say, it simply repeats what's already there. Fair enough to have one more football tournament but to ask clubs to release players for it is unreasonable.


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So basically your saying because UEFA/FIFA organise Youth Tourneys that renders the Olympics Football Tournament as not needed, as for Home Nations do they always qualify for Underage Tourneys.

basically then it would be better to either go back to the spirit of the olympics and make it semi pro or amateur, which would probably not appeal or simply scrap it



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That's basically it. I think that the tournament in its current form is just one more youth tournament. As there are a series of them at different age groups run by FIFA it would be silly to cancel those in favour of the olympic tournament which, after all is barely a youth tournament anyway (the Arsenal 1st team average age is often about 23 so having a under-23 age group seems, to me, a bit pointless. Reminds me of there being an under-27 competition in cricket a while back...) so if one or t'other must go it would be the olympics in my view.

If it were to be returned to amateur status (or something like it) then I would be more interested, as that isn't covered by any other tournaments. The UEFA Regions Cup covers Europe, but only Europe. I like that competition as it is amateur footballers from all over Europe pitting themselves against one another and I'd love to see an olympic tournament run on those lines.

As for whether the home nations qualify, does that make a difference? Surely the merit of the tournament is not affected by that. Of course, as they all enter the Regions Cup it would be interesting to see a home nations tournament at that level, perhaps with Eire in as well. But then, knowing how much the NLS Cup eats into the SAL schedule already, I can't imagine when it would be played.


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We're only entering a team because it's in our own backyard, we don't normally bother so why now and harrass other nations and make an issue of it? Will we be entering a team in the following Olympics?



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There is and always has been a simple solution to the problem of having a GB team in the Olympics, which those in power have always missed, simply because of the "we want to retain our individual national identity argument". Retain national identity by all means but simply have a four team tournament, England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland with the winners representing GB. Or am i just making things too simple for the powers that be.

 
 


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