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Despite Germany winning 4-1, I bet they will not be happy that they in theory conceded two goals in a matter of minutes. Everyone has to accept that Lampard's was a goal, I know it did not count, but it was a goal. When was the last time Germany conceded two goals in such a sort space of time. Also where was their marking for the first goal they just let Upson jump and head the ball in.


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Add to that both Defoe (who was wrongly flagged offside) and Lampard (again in the second half) hit the crossbar.

Had it been 2-2 at half time as it should have been who knows how it might have turned out?

I don't think the Germans should be getting too carried away with todays result.


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Was the ball really behind the line?? Tongue



Ok - we're lucker. When England makes the 2-2, then it will an other game..


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It was a pretty poor piece of officiating from whatever angle the lino saw it and I think it's fair to say that had it got to 2-2 Germany would have been rattled. However, I don't think England can claim too much injustice at the result because of it. If your reaction to not having a clear goal awarded is to lose 1-4 then you're not up to much in the first place.

As for the England team I don't know what the problem is but it seems to be there whichever players play and whoever the manager is. This mysterious inability to play properly in final tournaments. I don't think the press help much and listening Lawrenson last night describing fans' gruelling journeys, having spent their life savings to get to South Africa I haven't changed my opinion. I thought Rooney had no right to complain after the Algeria game that the fans booed, as they have paid a fair whack to see their team and that team are handsomely rewarded to put up with a bit of booing. But Lawro went too far, especially when he made a meal out of them having to change their plans after England came 2nd, not 1st in their group. The idea that any fan has a right to expect their team to win a group is ridiculous and it shows up how patronising the attitude is to the likes of the USA, who are not a bad team.


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The Dutch don't seem to have the best defence in the world either.


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FIFA really need to get their act together and have two extra linesmen, one behind each goal, in future tournaments.

Revenge for 1966? Maybe, but it's occasionally alleged that Hurst's shot spun over the line, before coming down on the line itself. Perhaps it's about time someone did a computer reconstruction to find out if this theory is correct...


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FIFA really need to get their act together and have two extra linesmen, one behind each goal, in future tournaments.

Revenge for 1966? Maybe, but it's occasionally alleged that Hurst's shot spun over the line, before coming down on the line itself. Perhaps it's about time someone did a computer reconstruction to find out if this theory is correct...


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FIFA really need to get their act together and have two extra linesmen, one behind each goal, in future tournaments.

Revenge for 1966? Maybe, but it's occasionally alleged that Hurst's shot spun over the line, before coming down on the line itself. Perhaps it's about time someone did a computer reconstruction to find out if this theory is correct...

This has been done, I believe. In Germany a computer simulation proved the ball had not crossed the line.
A similiar English simulation proved it was definitely a goal.
Maybe the fact that the 'Russian' linesman (actually Azerbaijani) lost many of his family in German labour camps may have slightly influenced his decision!
If the late Alan Ball had just stuck the rebound into the net and not appealed for a goal instead, the whole debate could have been avoided and Geoff Hurst would not be the only player to have a World Cup Final hat-trick.



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There were reserve officials sat twiddling their thumbs just in case one of the officials picked up an injury and couldn't continue.

I don't think we'll ever know for sure whether Geoff Hurst's shot crossed the line.


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There were reserve officials sat twiddling their thumbs just in case one of the officials picked up an injury and couldn't continue.

I don't think we'll ever know for sure whether Geoff Hurst's shot crossed the line.



Oh, I think we do know


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FIFA really need to get their act together and have two extra linesmen, one behind each goal, in future tournaments.

Revenge for 1966? Maybe, but it's occasionally alleged that Hurst's shot spun over the line, before coming down on the line itself. Perhaps it's about time someone did a computer reconstruction to find out if this theory is correct...

This has been done, I believe. In Germany a computer simulation proved the ball had not crossed the line.
A similiar English simulation proved it was definitely a goal.
Maybe the fact that the 'Russian' linesman (actually Azerbaijani) lost many of his family in German labour camps may have slightly influenced his decision!
If the late Alan Ball had just stuck the rebound into the net and not appealed for a goal instead, the whole debate could have been avoided and Geoff Hurst would not be the only player to have a World Cup Final hat-trick.


Or even Mike's brother, Roger Hunt who just appealed instead of sticking the ball in the net.


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FIFA really need to get their act together and have two extra linesmen, one behind each goal, in future tournaments.


I think the 5 officials idea is a complete waste of time myself. I haven't seen any indication in the Europa League that it improved things and, if it were employed in domestic games, how many officials will be pushed up to add that tiny bit of improvement to Premier/Football League games taking officials away from non-league games?


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FIFA really need to get their act together and have two extra linesmen, one behind each goal, in future tournaments.


I think the 5 officials idea is a complete waste of time myself. I haven't seen any indication in the Europa League that it improved things and, if it were employed in domestic games, how many officials will be pushed up to add that tiny bit of improvement to Premier/Football League games taking officials away from non-league games?


I think the goalkeepers quite like having someone to chat to when the action is at the other end of the field. Personally I think an extensive trial of microchipped balls would be a good idea (by extensive meaning over a league campaign in several countries, not just the finals of the under 17 World Cup).


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FIFA really need to get their act together and have two extra linesmen, one behind each goal, in future tournaments.


I think the 5 officials idea is a complete waste of time myself. I haven't seen any indication in the Europa League that it improved things and, if it were employed in domestic games, how many officials will be pushed up to add that tiny bit of improvement to Premier/Football League games taking officials away from non-league games?


I think the goalkeepers quite like having someone to chat to when the action is at the other end of the field. Personally I think an extensive trial of microchipped balls would be a good idea (by extensive meaning over a league campaign in several countries, not just the finals of the under 17 World Cup).

I can think of other microchipped balls. We could microchip the England players so they have the balls to turn up when they play a decent side. Crazy



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Ballack injury a blessing in disguise, says Lothar Matthaus.

If only it had been Terry and/or Lampard injured in the FA Cup Final, not Ballack, eh. Wink



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Why, so Upson could have got England eliminated even earlier?



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According to Matthaus:
"I don't mean that in a spiteful way, but Ballack was arguably holding up a number of players who've now blossomed.

Each of them has taken on a little more responsibility. Germany are playing with far more pace."
However, given Capello's mindset coming into the World Cup Finals, he might have tried to bring Sol Campbell out of retirement, and tried harder to get Paul Scholes to make a comeback, if Terry or Lampard had been unavailable through injury.

My comment wasn't directed at Terry or Lampard in particular - it could have been any other senior player in the England side - just that Terry and Lampard were in the same Chelsea side that played in the FA Cup Final as Ballack.

The loss of a senior player can be an opportunity to bring through younger players. In the case of Capello, he stuck with senior players who weren't fully fit on other experienced players who hadn't previously proven themselves against top opposition. Having a great game against Belarus, Kazakhstan or Andorra doesn't count for much.

The conduct (whether alleged or undisputed) of some of these senior players should force Capello to change his approach, now that he's been given a second chance.



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... given Capello's mindset coming into the World Cup Finals, he might have ... tried harder to get Paul Scholes to make a comeback .....

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Not that far off the mark then.



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Trusted sources...
A highly-placed source...
The source close to Capello...

Too much source and not enough meat in that little ditty from the Mirror comic for my liking.



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There were reserve officials sat twiddling their thumbs just in case one of the officials picked up an injury and couldn't continue.

I don't think we'll ever know for sure whether Geoff Hurst's shot crossed the line.



Oh, I think we do know


We do now - on tonight's Monday Night Football 1966 special, Sky proved it crossed the line: http://www.skysports.com/...r-the-mnf-microscope

After a 50 year wait, no harm in digging up a six year old thread to put the issue to rest! Though some may remain sceptical....
Wink


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