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The Wikipedia page for Coventry City notes that the original wording for their club song made reference to opposition known as the Oysters. Can anyone tell me who this was? I presume it's a club which has since changed its nickname.

On a related note, I occasionally set questions for a pub quiz, and thought that a round featuring 'former nicknames' might be an idea. Any suggestions? The ones I'm aware of are:

Sunderland - were Rokerites, now Black Cats

Palace - were Glaziers, now Eagles

I also have a vague recollection that Leeds may have once been the Peacocks and Brighton the Dophins but I can find no evidence for the latter so maybe I dreamt it...


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Reading were the 'Biscuitmen' now the 'Royals'.



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Cheltenham were the 'Rubies', now the 'Robins'



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Banbury used to be known as The Gay Puritans. For some reason they dropped the middle word......


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Banbury used to be known as The Gay Puritans. For some reason they dropped the middle word......


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Re: [sandhurstbee] Clubs who have changed nickname or Reply Privately

Wrexham switched from the Robins to the Red Dragons a few years ago.


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It is always difficult to know if a club has Officially dropped a nickname or is it just not used anymore. West Ham were known as The Irons or Ironsiders not heard them called that in years, Bradford City were the City Gents and Manchester City were known as The Citizens. Presumably Leicester City are no longer known as The Filberts.



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I've often wondered about nicknames - should clubs be choosing them themselves?
Camberley's used to always be plain old 'Town' or 'Reds' but I thought that was boring so I started using Krooners in the 1980's which has now stuck.
The thing is - other people (well, the nice ones) call us Cambo. They call the town Cambo. It annoys me no end but, if that's what people call us, is that not our nickname? But then, if we did it that way, half the teams inthe country would have the nickname 'scum'.

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I have known the Alex as The Robins , The Railwaymen and now The Alex .
Attempt at nicknames 2008/2009 http://www.pubquizhelp.com/sport/names.html Certainly not definitive .



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It is always difficult to know if a club has Officially dropped a nickname or is it just not used anymore. West Ham were known as The Irons or Ironsiders not heard them called that in years, Bradford City were the City Gents and Manchester City were known as The Citizens. Presumably Leicester City are no longer known as The Filberts.

I'm sure "Come on you Irons" is still heard on the terraces(?) at Upton Park, although the fact that iron, or iron hoof to be more accurate, means something completely different in cockney rhyming slang may have caused its demise!


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Tottenham Hotspur - used to be 'The Lillywhites', have always been known as 'The Spurs', and in the last 30 years or so have been known to themselves as well as supporters of other clubs as 'The Yids' due to our large Jewish following. Indeed, the club programme always wishes our foreskinless followers a happy new year on the appointed day in the Hebrew calendar.



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I think the Irons is still pretty common for West Ham, at least I hear it quite a lot.

The Lillywhites thing I don't think was ever an alternative nickname, but like calling Arsenal the Reds. I know people who sometimes use it although it's always in a jokey way, as though it is suggesting they are pure and perfect, never shouted at them from the terrace (this being the area just in front of the bar - as opposed to the stand, which is a well positioned table nearer the back of the pub).

Speaking of colours, I have always felt that clubs who used just a colour for their nickname just don't really have one. I would allow Coventry as the Sky Blues (although I think it's a bit of a limp effort) but in my 1988-89 sticker album both Forest and Liverpool were listed as 'the Reds'. It even acknowledged Forest as previously having been called 'Forest'! I'd say " 'pool" for Liverpool.

Anyway, my view on who chooses them is that the club has no more say than anyone else as they are supposed to be a colloquialism. In baseball these days every franchise has an official nickname, for new teams often voted for by fans. But up to the 1930s the club was just called 'Boston' or 'New York' and it was the sportswriters who mostly chose the names, just by using them in their articles.

ps. on a different note - and sorry to veer of course for a moment, it is said that 'New York is winning' while 'the Yankees are winning' which makes it all fairly easy. Now, I'm fairly sure most football fans in this country would say 'Arsenal are winning' but technically I suppose it should be 'Arsenal is winning' if you're asking your English teacher. I consider that I am speaking about the 11 players who are winning, but some would say it is the team, which is singular, that I am talking about.


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Oxford United changed from the U's to the Dons in the early 1970's, it was very shorted lived and soon changed back to the U's, though some newspapers refer to them as the Bulls.


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want the robins nickname back it would get rid of wrex the dragon ! thats one dragon i dont mind being slayed Smile



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weren't Coventry also known as the Singers or the Citizens at one time?

locally, Leigh Ramblers of the EOL are now The Rams but were once The Shrimpers.

Consistant newspaper reports from a century ago kept refering to Brentford as The Wasps rather than The Bees


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weren't Coventry also known as the Singers or the Citizens at one time?

locally, Leigh Ramblers of the EOL are now The Rams but were once The Shrimpers.

Consistant newspaper reports from a century ago kept refering to Brentford as The Wasps rather than The Bees


Never heard that one before, don`t recall it mentioned in Bees History Books. About 1960 there was a suggestion to change the Nickname and `The Budgies` came out on top as an alternative though thankfully most people opted to retain The Bees nickname.



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Researching Southend United extensively pre-1920, the Bees were always referred to as the Wasps in match previews, reports and when doing a short history of the opposition.

Here is one example, a match report from 1908.

Wednesday, February 19th, 1908
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Southend United 0 Brentford 0

The game with Brentford, on Wednesday, was voted by those who saw it to have been one of the best contests seen at Roots Hall this season. The “wasps” brought down their first Southern League team; the clubs being represented as follows:
Southend: Cotton; Thomson and Molyneux; Emery, Owen and Axcell; Harrod, Barrett, Little, Watkins, and Routs.
Brentford: Williams; Watson and Clark; Jay, Hamilton and McAllister; Brown, Parsonage, Bowman, Corbett, and Underwood.
Despite the heavy going, the pace opened at a cracker; both ends being visited in quick succession. For Southend Harrod and Routs swung in centres with splendid accuracy, but the yellow and blacks’ defence was in tip-top form. Little, Watkins, and Barrett all fired in hot shots, but Williams gave a fine display between the sticks. Both elevens showed good combination, and Underwood was exceedingly prominent for the visitors. He careered down the wing time after time, and Cotton again demonstrated what a capable goalkeeper he is by saving from Bowman and Corbett. The interval brought a welcome cessation of hostilities to the players.
The second half was equally well fought out, and despite valiant sorties on the two citadels, the defences came out of the ordeal with flying colours. For some time the United pressed, but Williams was ever on the alert. Harrod was a thorn in the side of the Brentford defenders, and he dropped in lovely centres time after time, while Routs was little behind him. About half way through the second moiety, Underwood nipped in a lovely centre, but Corbett, with only Cotton to beat, and standing about eight yards from goal, shot woefully wide. Thankful for this escape, the Blues retaliated, and a centre from Routs seemed likely to provide the much needed goal. Little received the ball within a few feet of him, but he somehow got the ball entangled between his feet, and only managed to get in a tame shot, which Williams easily saved. Towards the close, Brentford did more of the attacking, but the final solo arrived with the copy-book unblotted.
The Blues defence, as usual, was stronger than the attack, although at times the old war horse, Molyneux, was outpaced. What he lacked in this, however, he made up in judgment. Axcell signalled his re-appearance by a fine display, while Owen was in one of his most versatile moods, and Emery, although having a hot wing to hold, did his work very well. Harrod has quite justified the promise he already gave, and on Wednesday’s form he seems to have filled the long-felt need of an outside right. Barrett was not in good form, being slow, while Little, in the centre, was extremely clever, but at times overdid it. He is not a really good shot, and at the close of Wednesday’s game he was evidently fagged. Watkins was not seen to advantage, but the strain of so much play makes any delinquencies excusable. Routs again lent colour to the theory that that he is an outside left and not an outside right, and his centres and those of Harrod were quite a feature of the game.
Williams, in goal, is one of the best players in the South, while Watson and Clark are a reliable pair of backs; they are also very sturdy, being far too heavy for the Southend forwards. The halves were not a brilliant line; McAllister being the pick. Underwood was the most prominent forward, and his centres were always dangerous. He was, however, starved in the second half. Bowman I saw play for Aston Villa some six seasons ago, and after leaving the Claret and Blues, he went to Blackburn Rovers, leaving them for Brentford. He is a smart pivot; being quick with his head and feet, smart to perceive an opening, and a fairly good shot. Brown and Parsonage combined well together.


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weren't Coventry also known as the Singers or the Citizens at one time?


Coventry City *were* Singers FC at one time.


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Thanks for the replies.

No enlightenment on the identity of the 'Oysters' as yet though...


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Colchester United were the Oysters


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slough were the wasps but changed there nickname to the rebels when they joined the corinthian league in the mid 1940s


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The Lillywhites thing I don't think was ever an alternative nickname

It certainly was among older supporters who could sometimes be heard shouting 'come on you lillywhites' from the terraces when I was a kid. I haven't heard it shouted since the '80's though.



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Colchester United were the Oysters



Ah. Thanks for this.

Although a bit of internet research suggests that in fact it was the older, amateur Colchester Town who were the Oysters. Shame they weren't the team to survive in the town - a more interesting kit as well as nickname.

http://en.wikipedia.org/.../Colchester_Town_F.C.


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Weren't Colchester Town one of the teams that joined to form Colchester United ?

Up the road Ipswich sort of adopted the Tractor Boys tag that was applied rather derogatorily by others when they promoted to the Prem in 2000 - its not used as much now - and they call Norwich the Budgies when taking the proverbial


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Weren't Colchester Town one of the teams that joined to form Colchester United ?

Up the road Ipswich sort of adopted the Tractor Boys tag that was applied rather derogatorily by others when they promoted to the Prem in 2000 - its not used as much now - and they call Norwich the Budgies when taking the proverbial


I thought Colchester Town folded (1936-ish) and Colchester United formed to take their place???


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Weren't Colchester Town one of the teams that joined to form Colchester United ?

Up the road Ipswich sort of adopted the Tractor Boys tag that was applied rather derogatorily by others when they promoted to the Prem in 2000 - its not used as much now - and they call Norwich the Budgies when taking the proverbial


I thought Colchester Town folded (1936-ish) and Colchester United formed to take their place???


They did fold and United are a separate entity.


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Croydon FC were always known as the 'Blues', but started calling themselves the 'Trams' when the Tramlink was built through the Croydon area at the start of the century.



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Croydon FC were always known as the 'Blues', but started calling themselves the 'Trams' when the Tramlink was built through the Croydon area at the start of the century.



And, I think, as a bit of a pop at the Rams.

I note that Egahm fans now refer to the team as the Sarnies, which I think is guite good.

For a (very) short period last year it looked as though Sutton United might change from the U's to the Gambians, after an error in a BBC report. As U's is a very bprong nickname, I think it would be a good thing.

Finally on the Coventry/Oysters issue, is the suggestion that someone completed the form for Colchester then forgot to update it when they did Coventry? It would certainly reflect the level of accuracy we've come to expect from Wiki!


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It does seem unlikely that Jimmy Hill would have written the words for the Sky Blue version of the Eton Boating Song in 1962 and included a reference to a team that had folded thirty odd years previously.


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Researching Southend United extensively pre-1920, the Bees were always referred to as the Wasps in match previews, reports and when doing a short history of the opposition.

Here is one example, a match report from 1908.

Wednesday, February 19th, 1908
United League
Southend United 0 Brentford 0

The game with Brentford, on Wednesday, was voted by those who saw it to have been one of the best contests seen at Roots Hall this season. The “wasps” brought down their first Southern League team; the clubs being represented as follows:


Reading through the Brentford History book 1889-2008 The first reference of a Nick name came in 1892 when they were refered to as `The Bonny Boys. In 1900/01 a local scribe described them as The busy Bees of Brentford. Reference to the Bees was made in 1902/03 and a report in a local paper in 1906/07 said The Bees have excellent away support, so it certainly seems that they were known locally as The Bees at that time. I have seen no reference to them being known as The Wasps and suspect maybe that it was just your local Reporter who came up with the name for some reason. Unfortunately Graham Haynes who co wrote the book is no longer with us but I will certainly ask the other Co Writer Dave Twydell if he ever came across the Reference in all of his research. I would be interested to know if any other clubs referred to Brentford as The Wasps when they played them.



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Up until around 1959 Watford were known as the Brewers or the Blues as Vicarage Road was owned by Benskins. I think there was a competition in the Watford Observer asking what colours and nickname was wanted and the Hornets were born.

Also until 1920ish Frome Town were known as the Scarlet Runners before changing to the Robins.


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Swindon Town were and still should be, The Railwaymen.

Bristol Rovers were at one time, The Black Arabs. A great nickname but not for this day and age I guess.


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Swindon Town were and still should be, The Railwaymen.

Bristol Rovers were at one time, The Black Arabs. A great nickname but not for this day and age I guess.


That come up on The Football League show last week.



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Obviously there are a lot of rugby league changes such as Wigan Warriors who were previously the Riversiders. Mind you, 'Warriors' is part of the clubs official title nowadays. Does anyone know if they are still known as the Riversiders as well? I think Warrington are still known as the Wire (or 'the Wires', if you listen to half the news presenters ever to have had reason to refer to them...).


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Swindon Town were and still should be, The Railwaymen.

Bristol Rovers were at one time, The Black Arabs. A great nickname but not for this day and age I guess.


That come up on The Football League show last week.


According to same hapless show Bristol Rovers groundshared for many years at Twerton Park, but the clueless cretins proceeded to show The Recreation Ground.

Actually thought that PhilofTeamBath may have picked up on that one.


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Oxford United changed from the U's to the Dons in the early 1970's, it was very shorted lived and soon changed back to the U's, though some newspapers refer to them as the Bulls.



We're referred to a lot as the Yellows too.


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Obviously there are a lot of rugby league changes such as Wigan Warriors who were previously the Riversiders. Mind you, 'Warriors' is part of the clubs official title nowadays. Does anyone know if they are still known as the Riversiders as well? I think Warrington are still known as the Wire (or 'the Wires', if you listen to half the news presenters ever to have had reason to refer to them...).

Salford City Reds are known as The Car Thieves locally.



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Obviously there are a lot of rugby league changes such as Wigan Warriors who were previously the Riversiders. Mind you, 'Warriors' is part of the clubs official title nowadays. Does anyone know if they are still known as the Riversiders as well? I think Warrington are still known as the Wire (or 'the Wires', if you listen to half the news presenters ever to have had reason to refer to them...).

No reason why Wigan shouldn't still be referred to as the Riversiders. A river (of sorts; not sure what it's called) runs round the back of their new stadium in the same way the Douglas flowed behind the old main stand at Central Park.

Some rugby league nicknames were rendered out of date by changes to industry. For example, Whitehaven were the Colliers - at least until 1985, when the last pit (Haig) in the town shut. Older Huddersfield fans still call their team 'Fartown', despite not playing in the suburb of that name any more, but Halifax can never again be referred to as 'Thrum Hallers'. More's the pity.



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Swindon Town were and still should be, The Railwaymen.

Bristol Rovers were at one time, The Black Arabs. A great nickname but not for this day and age I guess.


That come up on The Football League show last week.


According to same hapless show Bristol Rovers groundshared for many years at Twerton Park, but the clueless cretins proceeded to show The Recreation Ground.

Actually thought that PhilofTeamBath [I like that] may have picked up on that one.


The Black Arabs was the original name of Bristol Rovers, not the nickname. However, during my lifetime their nickname has evolved from the Pirates to the Gasheads, a reference to the local gasworks when they were at Eastville, which on dull and dark days produced a smog that sort of settled around the ground.


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Sunderland at some point have been known to be called the Rokerites, Mackems, before being Black Cats, I don't think they had an official nickname, Black Cats has been around as a nickname for years, but the club made it official in about 2006, they may also have been known as The Teachers at some point as they were formed by school teachers, not 100% certain on that

Hartlepool United were known as Pools as a nickname, and now it seems Monkey Hangers are used in an unofficial manner



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Swindon Town were and still should be, The Railwaymen.

Bristol Rovers were at one time, The Black Arabs. A great nickname but not for this day and age I guess.


That come up on The Football League show last week.


According to same hapless show Bristol Rovers groundshared for many years at Twerton Park, but the clueless cretins proceeded to show The Recreation Ground.

Actually thought that PhilofTeamBath [I like that] may have picked up on that one.


The Black Arabs was the original name of Bristol Rovers, not the nickname. However, during my lifetime their nickname has evolved from the Pirates to the Gasheads, a reference to the local gasworks when they were at Eastville, which on dull and dark days produced a smog that sort of settled around the ground. Rovers were known, from their formation in the autumn of 1883 until the summer of 1884, as Black Arabs. As early as 1887, there are records of the club, by then known as Eastville Rovers, being nicknamed the Purdown Poachers, after the hillside on which the club oiriginally played. Through the early 1920s, the nickname was The Lilywhites, presumably as the club kit during their first decade in the Football League from 1920 was Preston's white shirts and navy shorts. The ubiquitous quartered shirt was introduced in 1931 and with it came the nickname The Pirates, which is still with us, partly a reflection also of Bristol's rich sea-faring tradition. Equally, the term "Gashead" is very popular nowadays, as per the reply above. Around 1979, Trevor Francis was quoted as saying Eastville was the worst ground he had played on, because of the smell of gas; around that time, there were references to "Gas", meaning Rovers, whilst the first anecdotal evidence of the word "Gashead" stems from the 1980-81 season. Certainly the song"Proud to be a Gashead" was sung at the first "home" game at Twerton Park, Bath in 1986, though perhaps never before. In recent years, the term has appeard in sources as diverse as the Planning Inspectorate Journal and Harper Collins' Dictionary.



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Wigan Athletic's nickname is boring old "LATICS", I've often thought we could have been called "The Piermen" however it probably would end up as "The Pie Men" Tongue

ps ..... The thugby are indeed known as The Warriors & you are quite correct about them being called the Riversiders and yes the same brown sludge does flow near the new stadium.





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It is always difficult to know if a club has Officially dropped a nickname or is it just not used anymore. West Ham were known as The Irons or Ironsiders not heard them called that in years, Bradford City were the City Gents and Manchester City were known as The Citizens. Presumably Leicester City are no longer known as The Filberts.

West Ham still chant "Come on you Irons", don't they? And I'm pretty sure Bradford's mascot is still a 'City Gent'.


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It is always difficult to know if a club has Officially dropped a nickname or is it just not used anymore. West Ham were known as The Irons or Ironsiders not heard them called that in years, Bradford City were the City Gents and Manchester City were known as The Citizens. Presumably Leicester City are no longer known as The Filberts.

West Ham still chant "Come on you Irons", don't they? And I'm pretty sure Bradford's mascot is still a 'City Gent'.


It certainly is - Lenny the Gent is a legend in the West Riding. I've not seen them much over the last few years, and it's been a bit of a shock to see how old he's looking nowadays. Lost a lot of weight, too - doesn't brandish a massive pie from his briefcase any more.


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Manchester United were the 'Red Devils' now they are 'the Scum' or the 'Cheating Scum'!



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