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kirby knitters
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Nov 2, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Re: [steve walker] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Minor issues that seem to sort themselves out. OK not great at the time but is it worth changing things? If the majority who offer an opinion disagree then fine but leave it until the summer as others have said when things are less hectic.


buncranaboy
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Nov 2, 2019, 10:58 PM

Posts: 18020
Location: South Birmingham
Team(s): Barnstoneworth United; Bostock Stanley

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Obviously I cannot enforce that.

You may want to re-register under your current forum name for the sake of continuinity between both forums but that's up to you. I can't see why anyone would not want to.


Some years ago, another non-league forum changed its policy and made everyone re-register and post under their real name. I was perfectly happy to comply with this, and from that point onwards, I started posting on that forum under my real name. If someone refuses to make their real name public, it may suggest that they have something to hide.


Which forum was that and what happened to it ?

I'm easy either way on the revamp so long as the archive is still accessible and can still be searched.


buncranaboy
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Nov 2, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Maintain the status quo.


Whatever you want.


ictoan
First Team Regular


Nov 2, 2019, 11:56 PM

Posts: 1209
Location: By the Sea, Sussex
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Re: [steve walker] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Steve, whoever you decide, I trust you enough that there will not be the same result as happened to the Nomad Forum when it was changed.



There 'Ant no place like Sussex, until you goes above, 'Cause Sussex will be Sussex and Sussex wunt be druv.

The North begins at Gatwick.


Chris1963
Man City Transfer Target!

Nov 3, 2019, 1:28 AM

Posts: 7067
Location: North London
Team(s): Oxford United / Groundhopper

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Obviously I cannot enforce that.

You may want to re-register under your current forum name for the sake of continuinity between both forums but that's up to you. I can't see why anyone would not want to.


Some years ago, another non-league forum changed its policy and made everyone re-register and post under their real name. I was perfectly happy to comply with this, and from that point onwards, I started posting on that forum under my real name. If someone refuses to make their real name public, it may suggest that they have something to hide.


Which forum was that and what happened to it ?


I wish I could tell you the name of that forum but all I can remember is that it was in 2004 or thereabouts.


Chris1963
Man City Transfer Target!

Nov 3, 2019, 1:29 AM

Posts: 7067
Location: North London
Team(s): Oxford United / Groundhopper

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so that I can get some feedback on what is a really major change to this forum
Thanks... Steve


Good that you have thrown it out to debate, Steve.
Personally I think you know what is best for forum.


As Steve is obviously a very good friend of yours, I'm sure he will go along with whatever you suggest.


dottirofhod
Man City Transfer Target!


Nov 3, 2019, 1:34 AM

Posts: 13870
Location: The North. 'Ich hassen lehm kopfs'
Team(s): Crewe Alex and obviously England.(Unlike a lot on here)

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Maintain the status quo.


Whatever you want.



Whatever happens I aint complaining.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 127 / 107 / 20 / 5 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 07 / 12 / 2019 . Belgium top 5 tiers 0-0-0-(0-1-0)-(0-1-1-2) / Holland top 4 tiers - 0-0-0-(0-0) / Lux top 2 tiers 0 -2. England top 10 tiers - 0. Now blogging at https://eccentricity.video.blog/



thowdreds
Youth Team Star

Nov 3, 2019, 8:40 AM

Posts: 305
Location: Southampton
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Re: [dottirofhod] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

I haven't had any great problems and am not particularly tech savvy so happy to go along with those who understand these things better than me.


grandad
Youth Team Regular

Nov 3, 2019, 2:12 PM

Posts: 189
Location: Cheltenham
Team(s): Slought Town, Cheltenham Pilgrims, Rhostyllen, Barmouth & Dyffryn

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Happy for an upgrade, but as others have suggested maybe in the off season.



Once a Rebel, Always a Rebel


Towlawtom
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Nov 3, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Maintain the status quo.


Whatever you want.


Happy to go along with What you're Proposing.



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !

(This post was edited by Towlawtom on Nov 3, 2019, 3:26 PM)


dottirofhod
Man City Transfer Target!


Nov 3, 2019, 3:42 PM

Posts: 13870
Location: The North. 'Ich hassen lehm kopfs'
Team(s): Crewe Alex and obviously England.(Unlike a lot on here)

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Maintain the status quo.


Whatever you want.


Happy to go along with What you're Proposing.


------------------------------------------------

Maybe adding on to post 32 may have been better but hey its Never too Late.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 127 / 107 / 20 / 5 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 07 / 12 / 2019 . Belgium top 5 tiers 0-0-0-(0-1-0)-(0-1-1-2) / Holland top 4 tiers - 0-0-0-(0-0) / Lux top 2 tiers 0 -2. England top 10 tiers - 0. Now blogging at https://eccentricity.video.blog/



steve walker
Administrator


Nov 3, 2019, 7:12 PM

Posts: 1852
Location: Staffordshire
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Steve, whoever you decide, I trust you enough that there will not be the same result as happened to the Nomad Forum when it was changed.



I don't think I ever visited there. What happened to the Nomad forum that was so bad? Genuine question as I wouldn't want to make the same mistakes.

It's a difficult one is this. If I want to preserve this forum for the next 10 or 20 years then my gut tells me we have to have a software change. My head tells me don't be so daft, it will cause disruption and maybe some angry forum users that won't re-register plus it's a hell of a lot of work/time to set up a new one that mirrors this as close as possible.

This software is 15 years old and will not be updated, there will come a point where we will have to move on at some point. It may aswell be now in my opinion it will take a few weeks anyway to get it right as I don't have a lot of time spare at the moment.

I understand the do it in the summer suggestion but to be honest the forum isn't much quieter in the summer due to all the restructuring and AGM shenanigans. Nothing is decided... still open to and hoping for more feedback from forum members. I'm certainly not going to go into this change without majority consent.

Steve


ictoan
First Team Regular


Nov 3, 2019, 8:09 PM

Posts: 1209
Location: By the Sea, Sussex
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Re: [steve walker] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Hi Steve
First things first. I was not a member of the Nomad Forum but read it at least once a day and often more. The following observations are therefore made on that basis.

During the close season, the "owner" of the site announced that he considered the existing format was out of date and he intended to relaunch with a different host. Unlike you he proceeded without any (to me) consultation with members.

The new format was totally different to the previous and in my opinion difficult to understand.

The only use made of the new forum was the match forecasting "competition" which lasted only a few weeks. Other regular contributors were notable by their absence for reasons I can speculate on.

In less than a month the Forum disappeared from the internet without any warning.

I believe the membership here will stay loyal as long as they understand and like the new format which in my opinion was not the case here in Sussex



There 'Ant no place like Sussex, until you goes above, 'Cause Sussex will be Sussex and Sussex wunt be druv.

The North begins at Gatwick.


steve walker
Administrator


Nov 3, 2019, 8:56 PM

Posts: 1852
Location: Staffordshire
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Re: [ictoan] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

I think that new forum software will be a learning curve for alll of us, me included. It's a bit scary to be honest. The easy option is to keep things as they are and I can still do that,
I would replicate all of the current forum categories on the new one so it should be pretty seamless but obviously there will be be problems... I don't know what they are until they arise but I'm prepared to go through that process if forum members are
Steve


multilevel
Reserve Team Sub

Nov 3, 2019, 8:58 PM

Posts: 428
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Team(s): King's Lynn Town

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Re: [ictoan] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

I think it would be good to update before something really major happens. If people cannot access the forum for a while then they will forget about it and not come back once the problem has been fixed. I guess that when we had a problem with "You are banned" messages, we might have lost some people permanently.

If the move to a new system happens while everything is working fine with the existing forum then everyone can see the messages about the new arrangements.

I understand the idea of changing in the quieter off-season but on the other hand, it may help to make the change while people are logging on regularly and have more chance to see messages about the move.


1973Swan
Youth Team Sub

Nov 4, 2019, 7:15 AM

Posts: 128
Location: Woking
Team(s): Walton & Hersham

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I'm not a tech whizz but I would think change it now before any big issues arise, that is if you have time.

Like others, I appreciate the time and effort that goes on behind the scenes of the forum (much like at a non-league club), so thank you Steve for all you do.


007Dale
First Team Star

Nov 4, 2019, 8:06 AM

Posts: 1826
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Re: [steve walker] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

Steve,

Thanks for all your hard work maintaining this excellent forum.

Id be supportive of moving to the new software sooner rather than later.

Perhaps a graduated move could work? Restructuring perhaps first so that we have continuity of conversation from this season into next, but those which relate heavily to the current season close and move in May?

Just a thought, im not an IT expert so might be impractical.


dudsey
Youth Team Star

Nov 4, 2019, 8:16 AM

Posts: 326
Location: Anywhere there`s a decent game in prospect..
Team(s): Non League, mainly Evo Stik and Ncel Football.

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For me, you have to go with the new software Steve. Nostalgia gets you nowhere in IT, you either keep up or get lost, with all the hidden risks associated - security, privacy and functionality all begin to lapse if you fail to upgrade eventually. I`ve just upgraded our whole school from Windows 7 to Windows 10 to great choruses of resistance from Staff but they`ve coped well with it, and many have commented they like a lot of the new features.


It`s a really good shout from `The Parish`to do it in the close season though!!



Nomadic Footie Fan in search of a decent game.


Andy D
Chelsea Transfer Target

Nov 4, 2019, 10:59 AM

Posts: 4492
Location: Cheshire/Dorset
Team(s): 1874 Northwich, Forfar Athletic, Castleford RLFC, Lancashire CCC,

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Nothing is decided... still open to and hoping for more feedback from forum members. I'm certainly not going to go into this change without majority consent.

Steve


I'm not sure you're going to get majority consent, mainly because most users won't express an opinion. All you can hope for is to give everyone the opportunity to comment and take the opinions of as many of the regular users as possible.

As for me, I'm happy for change. Even though I'm using Windows 10 I often get glitches, can't post clickable links, lose text half way through typing etc. So the sooner the better for me. Good luck!



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Rule 1 - There are no rules
Rule 2 - See rule 1.....



rebus
Youth Team Regular

Nov 4, 2019, 2:30 PM

Posts: 246
Location: North Walsham
Team(s): Wroxham

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Re: [Andy D] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

I don't post a great deal, but I do use the site every day for news, opinions etc.
It is clear that new software is needed, therefore I would say sooner rather than later.
I love this forum and would miss it greatly if the historical sections/threads were not archived and made readily accessible.


ChrisHFC
Junior Team Regular

Nov 4, 2019, 3:48 PM

Posts: 31
Location: Watford
Team(s): Hendon

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Re: [rebus] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

I use the site most days but so far I've rarely found the need to post.
As a former system software engineer (around 30 years ago, working on IBM mid-range systems), I'm well aware of the time it can take to maintain software for even the simple changes and the potential problems that can arise. For major changes, it takes a lot of planning beforehand and testing afterwards, not forgetting the installation time, and almost invariably something will get missed in the post-installation testing, no matter how tightly such testing is planned. There's also the point that it doesn't matter when a change or upgrade is scheduled, there are sure to be users who wiill be inconvenienced.

I'm also aware of how easy it can be to introduce an error or problem into software when trying to fix a different error/problem - I've done so myself, several times.

Once software starts to give the impression of getting 'flaky' and creating problems that are not easily reproducable by the maintenance personnel, it's often the time to replace it.
It's only fair to say that other software engineers may well have had a completely different experience to mine.
It seems to me that the current version appears to be introducing more problems for users, even if I don't see them all myself. For that reason, I'd prefer to have new forum software introduced sooner rather than later.



Chris Rogers
Hendon FC - unofficial historian


Haywain
Reserve Team Regular

Nov 4, 2019, 5:19 PM

Posts: 656
Location: Luton
Team(s): Luton Town

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Re: [ChrisHFC] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

I'm in favour of change - this is a world in which standing still is a slow death. As long as the new software is user friendly and improves the user experience then go for it (but please don't choose something that will quote a dozen posts in one reply by default!).



Haywain - following the Hatters through thin and thin.


Steveb
Chelsea Transfer Target

Nov 4, 2019, 8:50 PM

Posts: 4114
Location: Prestwich
Team(s): England, Leicester City, Bedfont & Feltham

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Re: [Haywain] This Forum Software [In reply to] Can't Post or Reply Privately

This is the only forum I contribute to, although I occasionally browse others, so it's hard to know what I'd make of new software. But like anything I guess it'd just be a case of getting used to it. As long as signing up was easy, and the existing threads continued in a broadly similar form, then I don't see a problem.

I don't know if it'd allow some new features to be introduced. I find trying to post photos difficult, but that might just be me as others manage it. It'd be good if people could 'like' posts (and 'dislike' them I suppose).

I'm happy to go with the majority, but clearly it's got to happen at some point and it's better not to wait until it's too late.




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paulh66
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Nov 4, 2019, 9:14 PM

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It'd be good if people could 'like' posts (and 'dislike' them I suppose).


Now there's a can of worms!
In a similar vein though, some forums have the functionality to let you report inappropriate posts to the admins via a single click of a button. Whether that makes posters' or admins' lives easier is probably open to debate but some must find it helpful, and I assume it's far more efficient than sending PMs.


dottirofhod
Man City Transfer Target!


Nov 4, 2019, 9:22 PM

Posts: 13870
Location: The North. 'Ich hassen lehm kopfs'
Team(s): Crewe Alex and obviously England.(Unlike a lot on here)

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A single click of a button, one of our brethren would have a field day.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 127 / 107 / 20 / 5 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 07 / 12 / 2019 . Belgium top 5 tiers 0-0-0-(0-1-0)-(0-1-1-2) / Holland top 4 tiers - 0-0-0-(0-0) / Lux top 2 tiers 0 -2. England top 10 tiers - 0. Now blogging at https://eccentricity.video.blog/


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