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Yatesman
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Great to see fracking , once described by Boris Johnson as “glorious news for humanity” has been stopped.
If only I could think of another idea he’s wholeheartedly backed that’s turned out to be disastrous and dangerous which should be stopped.

BTW I am off up to Sunderland later but there appears to be a total news blackout of theses riots that are happening. Anyone offer any advice on how to avoid these vigilante groups along the motorways. I'm thinking of taking the back roads or B roads and will keep a copy of the Daily express on the back seat just for back up.


It's a pity that what passes for humour amongst leftys is the total disregard and patronisation of the working class .

It's why Labour won't win the GE


Towlawtom
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I see ol Nigel Fromage has decided not to stand as a candidate

I suspect he doesn't want to go through another humiliation of being beaten by a bloke dressed as a dolphin.



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Yatesman
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I see ol Nigel Fromage has decided not to stand as a candidate

I suspect he doesn't want to go through another humiliation of being beaten by a bloke dressed as a dolphin.


It's like every time lefty's go personal and target individual politicians with sarcasm, hate, vitriol and disdain they've lost the political argument!


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Is everyone who disagrees with you automatically a lefty ?


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When everyone's to your left then you're too far to the right!


Yatesman
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Is everyone who disagrees with you automatically a lefty ?


I consider myself a lefty, just not a Corbyn Slut, but that wasn't the point.

I made the point that going personal as your main political argument doesn't come across particularly well.


Yatesman
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When everyone's to your left then you're too far to the right!


A true but entirely irrelevant point.


paulh66
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No, nail on head. You're just too consumed with your own ranting to notice. But do carry on.


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I don't think this thread is going anywhere other than into the gutter is it.

Yatesman and PaulH do you not see that you are ruining these threads? Take your personal grievances to PMs so that other people feel able to contribute without being ridiculed by you two

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I hardly ever post in these threads so not really "ruining" them. At all. Simply pointing out that repeated references to lefty this and lefty that doesn't really do anything for the discussion or for the credibility of the poster.

Carry on..


Yatesman
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I hardly ever post in these threads so not really "ruining" them. At all. Simply pointing out that repeated references to lefty this and lefty that doesn't really do anything for the discussion or for the credibility of the poster.

Carry on..


Well thank you for pointing it out to me but I don't you need you to point out anything.

The Lefty tag is obviously effective, it's your reaction that's the problem

Shall we add 'Lefty' to words like 'surrender' that are to be banned by Corbyn's New Order?

As I said, I'm a Lefty, just that I'm a Brexit Lefty , which apparantly and confusingly makes me an extreme Right Wing Lefty.

I'm still trying to work that one out.

Anyway, as a Lefty myself, if I see other Lefty's disparaging the working class as Paul C is wont to do, or personalising the attacks rather than rising above that sort of gutter politics because they are poisoned by their stance on Brexit ,then I will call that out.


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I hardly ever post in these threads so not really "ruining" them. At all. Simply pointing out that repeated references to lefty this and lefty that doesn't really do anything for the discussion or for the credibility of the poster.

Carry on..


Well thank you for pointing it out to me but I don't you need you to point out anything.

The Lefty tag is obviously effective, it's your reaction that's the problem

Shall we add 'Lefty' to words like 'surrender' that are to be banned by Corbyn's New Order?

As I said, I'm a Lefty, just that I'm a Brexit Lefty , which apparantly and confusingly makes me an extreme Right Wing Lefty.

I'm still trying to work that one out.

Anyway, as a Lefty myself, if I see other Lefty's disparaging the working class as Paul C is wont to do, or personalising the attacks rather than rising above that sort of gutter politics because they are poisoned by their stance on Brexit ,then I will call that out.



But UKIP & the Brexit Parties are just disillusioned anti EU Thatcherite Tories. Nigel Farage will even admit that and left the Tory Party because the Party moved closer to the EU. So pray tell me, where’s the Left of centre or Left Wing anti-EU Party?



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Yatesman
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I hardly ever post in these threads so not really "ruining" them. At all. Simply pointing out that repeated references to lefty this and lefty that doesn't really do anything for the discussion or for the credibility of the poster.

Carry on..


Well thank you for pointing it out to me but I don't you need you to point out anything.

The Lefty tag is obviously effective, it's your reaction that's the problem

Shall we add 'Lefty' to words like 'surrender' that are to be banned by Corbyn's New Order?

As I said, I'm a Lefty, just that I'm a Brexit Lefty , which apparantly and confusingly makes me an extreme Right Wing Lefty.

I'm still trying to work that one out.

Anyway, as a Lefty myself, if I see other Lefty's disparaging the working class as Paul C is wont to do, or personalising the attacks rather than rising above that sort of gutter politics because they are poisoned by their stance on Brexit ,then I will call that out.



But UKIP & the Brexit Parties are just disillusioned anti EU Thatcherite Tories. Nigel Farage will even admit that and left the Tory Party because the Party moved closer to the EU. So pray tell me, where’s the Left of centre or Left Wing anti-EU Party?


Exactly!

Where is the Lefty anti-EU Party??

That should have been Labour.

UKIP never attracted 17.4 million votes so where did those voters come from?

Brexit always was and still is a cross party phenomenom. Lefty's , Thatcherites, Nationalists, Marxists, Mainstream Conservatives and Grassroots Working Class Labourites.

The People know that. It's only vested political interests and politicians that want to deny the truth.

For example.

1 million Scots voted to Leave, many of them SNP voters . Not once does Sturgeon credit them with any sort of acknowledgement.


leohoenig
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Your calculation forgets that while support for Brexit was split over many parties, so was opposition to it.

There are many Conservative MPs in seats that voted against Brexit who are now committed to voting for it. (Anyone who follows the whips blindly).



With only a narrow majority, the government should have been heading for a very soft Brexit, but instead they kept drawing red lines in the sand. The current plan certainly crosses at least one of these, (the red line in the Irish sea).

While Labour supporters can continue to support Labour, as this will deliver a second referendum. Brexiteers will be able to re-affirm support for Brexit with a second referendum with the terms known (an idea put forward in the past by Jacob Rees-Mogg), Remainers should also accept this scenario.


There appears to be no party, right of centre for people with those tendancies, but who wish to go Remain in the EU. Brexit has always been about the split in the Conservative party, and it still is, but it has now been dogmatised in the same way as we keep hearing about in respect to Labour/Momentum and anti-Brexit supporters no longer appear welcome in the Conservatives.



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PaulC
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Move along there. Nothing to see here:

"Downing Street has effectively blocked the publication of a potentially explosive parliamentary report on the security threat that Russia poses to the UK until after the general election.

The 50-page document from the intelligence and security committee examines allegations that Kremlin-sponsored activity distorted the result of the 2016 EU referendum, but has to be cleared by No 10 before it can be released."


https://www.theguardian.com/...p;utm_medium=twitter


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jon b
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I'm struggling to work out why Farage is making such a song and dance about demanding a "clean break" no deal Brexit. Surely from the Brexiter point of view the crucial point is to get out of the EU?

Once we're out, the Trumpian line with treaties/deals they don't like, is to renounce them and start negotiating afresh. I'd have thought Johnson and Farage would have taken that line.

Johnson seems prepared to disregard Farage's offer of a no deal election pact. I suspect his view is that right wing supporters of Brexit will rally to the Tory party whilst left wing Brexit supporters will not return to supporting Labour but stick with the Brexit Party.

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Yatesman
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Move along there. Nothing to see here:

"Downing Street has effectively blocked the publication of a potentially explosive parliamentary report on the security threat that Russia poses to the UK until after the general election.

The 50-page document from the intelligence and security committee examines allegations that Kremlin-sponsored activity distorted the result of the 2016 EU referendum, but has to be cleared by No 10 before it can be released."


https://www.theguardian.com/...p;utm_medium=twitter



'Parliamentary' Report or 'Remainer' Report, LOL!?

Reds Under The Bed, LOL!

Committee Chairman Dominic Grieve, LOL!

I think the Gov't needs time to 'Scrutinise' this report.............Lots and lots of time ,LOL!


Yatesman
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I'm struggling to work out why Farage is making such a song and dance about demanding a "clean break" no deal Brexit. Surely from the Brexiter point of view the crucial point is to get out of the EU?

Once we're out, the Trumpian line with treaties/deals they don't like, is to renounce them and start negotiating afresh. I'd have thought Johnson and Farage would have taken that line.

Johnson seems prepared to disregard Farage's offer of a no deal election pact. I suspect his view is that right wing supporters of Brexit will rally to the Tory party whilst left wing Brexit supporters will not return to supporting Labour but stick with the Brexit Party.

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It's a difficult call.

But I think plenty of former Labour voters will go Tory at this election.

The biggest threat is a low turn out amongst Leave voters disillusioned with UK Democracy!


007Dale
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The polls released over the weekend seem to indicate support falling for Minor parties, including Brexit Party, with both Tories and Labour increasing slightly.

If we take the latest Opinium survey, which was for the Observer;
Tories 42% (+2%)
Labour 26% (+2%)
Lib Dem’s 16% (+1%)
Brexit 9% (-1%)
SNP 5% (-1%)
Green 2% (-1%)

Most of the other recent surveys show similar moves, some with Lib Dem’s going backwards as well.

Applying this to seats would broadly give:
Tories 422
Labour 139
SNP 44
Lib Dem’s 23

Conservative majority 194.

I suspect we’ll see support for the Labour Party increase over the coming weeks at the expense of minor parties, Tories will do well to hold a 40%+ share.


PaulC
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Tory lead over Labour slashed from 17 points to 7 points in just one week.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-opinion-polls-boris-johnsons-lead-over-jeremy-corbyn-narrows-in-latest-general-election-poll-a4278686.html

Time for more slurs and smears from the Tories.


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Tory lead over Labour slashed from 17 points to 7 points in just one week.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-opinion-polls-boris-johnsons-lead-over-jeremy-corbyn-narrows-in-latest-general-election-poll-a4278686.html

Time for more slurs and smears from the Tories.


Yep, pick a poll, the latest message is minor parties support falling away. I think you’re referring to the ICM which suggests support for SNP has collapsed, along with Lib Dem’s and Brexit Party.


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What is worrying me are my investments. What to do if the Tories don't get in.
I've got the apartment in Garavan, near Menton plus three flats in London which I've got currently rented out.
Then there are the investments; mainly on good interest rates at the best private banks.
No one here has mentioned anything about their financial worries yet. Maybe this note will jog their memories.


jon b
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The polls released over the weekend seem to indicate support falling for Minor parties, including Brexit Party, with both Tories and Labour increasing slightly.

If we take the latest Opinium survey, which was for the Observer;
Tories 42% (+2%)
Labour 26% (+2%)
Lib Dem’s 16% (+1%)
Brexit 9% (-1%)
SNP 5% (-1%)
Green 2% (-1%)

Most of the other recent surveys show similar moves, some with Lib Dem’s going backwards as well.

Applying this to seats would broadly give:
Tories 422
Labour 139
SNP 44
Lib Dem’s 23

Conservative majority 194.

I suspect we’ll see support for the Labour Party increase over the coming weeks at the expense of minor parties, Tories will do well to hold a 40%+ share.


Well at this stage Labour seem most nervous about the outcome. Their tactic appears to be to try to be both Remain and Leave on Brexit, whilst trying to move the battle onto areas they consider the Tories are weak on, such as the Austerity policy of the last nine years.

They managed to fight on those areas in 2017 but in 2019?.......

I'm not sure how national polls translate into the various local debates.

Still early days, but surely Johnson can't be as dreadful a campaigner as May.

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Polls are all over the place. This one predicts a Lib dem win over the sitting labour MP in Portsmouth South , The lib dems came a poor 3rd last time

https://www.markpack.org.uk/160216/new-constituency-poll-shows-liberal-democrats-leading-in-portsmouth-south/



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Tories now stooping to faking Keir Starmer interviews.

But always remember they only need to fool the most stupid one third of the population to win the election.



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