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TroubleAtMill
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I believe that because there may be 1 or 2 no Brexit moments in the next few weeks the General Election deserves its own thread.

Please play nice,so the moderators don't have to delete it.

My expectation at the end of it is a smallish but workable majority for the Boris Party and that Labour will suffer more than the others.

My major problem at this General Election is who to vote for, as none of the parties currently appeal to me.


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Given the reluctance of many Labour MPs to back the calling of the Election I think we know which party most fears the outcome.

Anyway, for what it's worth, Electoral Calculus are, on present polling, predicting a 58 seat overall majority for the Tories.

https://www.theguardian.com/...8-seat-tory-majority

We are, of course, only at the very start of the campaign and there are loads of unknowns. For instance, although Labour and the Lib Dems will split the Remain vote by standing everywhere against each other (outside Northern Ireland) we don't yet know whether the Brexit Party will also contest every seat and split the Brexit vote.

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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


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Some remain area Tory MP’s aren’t too happy with a General Election.
It’d be interesting to see who would take over the leadership of the Tory Party if Boris loses his seat & this is a possibility.



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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


Not true - Labour have to run on a second referendum slate, where the new poll is between a deal and remain. No deal is off the table for the moment.

This means that Labour leave voters do not have to change parties - unless they are scared that the country has changed and there is now a remain majority



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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


Not true - Labour have to run on a second referendum slate, where the new poll is between a deal and remain. No deal is off the table for the moment.

This means that Labour leave voters do not have to change parties - unless they are scared that the country has changed and there is now a remain majority


I disagree, Labour is split between Leave or remain.
Those Labour brexit supporters in Yvette Coopers constituency, some of them will switch to The CONS, some may vote for the Brexit party as a protest.
Either way they are likely to vote in a CONS MP



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(This post was edited by Towlawtom on Oct 30, 2019, 12:21 PM)


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Some remain area Tory MP’s aren’t too happy with a General Election.
It’d be interesting to see who would take over the leadership of the Tory Party if Boris loses his seat & this is a possibility.


If Farage really wants Brexit to happen, then he should instruct his candidates to stand aside in Tory winnable areas. His party can be used to mop-up votes in labour heartlands where they’d never vote Tory.

The Boris ‘deal’ merely delays no-deal for a couple of years. If we don’t get a very good deal from the EU, we could well end up on no-deal. If that’s Farage wish, he should play the long-game.

I suspect however, his ego will take over and he’ll try for every seat.

Suspect (& hope) the Tories will win a majority, but the size of that majority may well depend on how split the leave vote is.


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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


I think the Tory's will focus mainly on Brexit during their campaign and hope the public don't pay any attention to their other plans.



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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


And you really think Labour will look after the NHS?


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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


And you really think Labour will look after the NHS?[/reply

Stupid question, any party will take care of the NHS better than the CONS.
Lets face it, The NHS goes against the basic CONServative supporters Principles



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


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In virtually every aspect of the economy Labour governments outperform Tory ones.

It's just a pity so many are duped by the lies of the Tory media and are let down by the laziness of the rest of the media to check facts.


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So another election, our third in five years. The U.K. is becoming like Italy in the 70s/80s.
Hopefully this will be the last for another five years.

We’re almost in recession as is most of Europe. The £ hits a six month high of 1.16 Euro. Germany is the new sick man of Europe as its manufacturing industry hits a brick wall.
Remainers blame Leavers. Leavers blame the EU. The EU blames Donald Trump. Trump blames China. It’s a Mexican stand-off of finger pointing.......
 
So, thankfully on December 13th we will have a new Goverment to steer us though the mess that currently exists.

If Johnson has figured it correctly he will find himself back at No 10 with a majority and a clear mandate.
With interest rates still at record lows, he begins a massive programme of spending to “cushion the blow”. It’s sold as a kind of dividend for leaving. A boost to the economy.
 
New bridges, roads and public works spring up all over the country. A new railway here. A new power station there. And all of it paid for out of the public purse.
 Which is jargon for “paid for with borrowing”.
 
In the blink of an eye, Britain’s debt-to-GDP ratio quickly climbs over 100%. Then 125%. Then 150%. At this rate, it will reach 200% – a level seen only in Japan – or in countries in a war or in the middle of economic crisis/collapse.
 It’s not immediately clear to regular people which path Britain is walking.
 
Let’s freeze the frame there. Pause that version of reality for a second. Let’s hop on to another strand…
 Bang. Jeremy Corbyn finds himself in 10 Downing Street. He sends John McDonnell to the Treasury at 4am to impose capital controls and stop a run on the pound. (This is actually part of Labour’s contingency plan, I’ve heard'
 
The pound stabilises 40% below where it sits today. Inflation rears its ugly head. Memoirs of the 1970s suddenly become in vogue. Publishers fight over the right to call their next title “Them Were Rotten Days”. 
 
But Corbyn fights back. He blames international speculators and shadowy investment banks for the drop in the pound and promises to soften the blow. Out comes the chequebook. Massive programs of public works begin. HS2 is followed by HS3, HS4 and then HS Infinity. It’s the new QE!
 
Britain becomes the first major country to create a universal basic income for its citizens. It embarks on a major campaign of spending to “stimulate” the economy that’s been gutted, Labour claim, by the Tories/austerity/Brexit.
 
Stop the world for a second. Let’s jump to another strand of reality. Another variant on Britain’s future.
 In this version, things get really strange…
 
We get a “unity” government. A rainbow coalition, led by the Greens and the Liberal Democrats. Caroline Lucas asks for a cabinet staffed exclusively by women from SW1 born under the Leo star sign. She’s turned down and asked to look up “diversity” and “discrimination” in the dictionary. She resigns from public life shortly afterwards.
 
The unity government, coming to power after a period of extreme political volatility, decides to soften the blow. Loosen the purse strings.
 It launches a massive campaign of public works, designed to fight climate change, “modernise” the economy and revolutionise the energy network.
 
Huge investments in solar, wind, hydrogen and battery power follow. New subsidies for green companies, green energy tariffs, green transport and green anything come hot on their heels.
 Speaking of green, the government liberalises drug laws to allow the sale of cannabis, following the US, Canada and Australia.
 
Debt spikes. Spending goes through the roof. But Britain feels good about itself again. So long as you don’t look at the cost of the stimulus, everything seems just fine
 
Those are – as I see it – the three most likely paths Britain will walk in the next two years. They all have different political flavours. And depending on where your political allegiances lie, they’ll make you feel various shades of happy/sad/angry/excited.
 
I’m going to make a prediction off the back of that. By the end of 2020, the UK’s deficit will have doubled. And the gold price will be beyond £2,000 per ounce – and heading higher......
 


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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


And you really think Labour will look after the NHS?[/reply

Stupid question, any party will take care of the NHS better than the CONS.
Lets face it, The NHS goes against the basic CONServative supporters Principles


How so?

Currently there is record investment in the NHS.

Yes it's poorly managed and yes it's a cumbersome , unwieldy beast but I do not believe the Conservatives would do it any harm.
Why do you claim they will.?


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In virtually every aspect of the economy Labour governments outperform Tory ones.

It's just a pity so many are duped by the lies of the Tory media and are let down by the laziness of the rest of the media to check facts.


No basis in fact.

The last Labour Gov't broke the economy leading to years of austerity as the Tories got the economy back on track.

No way will I vote Labour again.


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In virtually every aspect of the economy Labour governments outperform Tory ones.

It's just a pity so many are duped by the lies of the Tory media and are let down by the laziness of the rest of the media to check facts.


No basis in fact.

The last Labour Gov't broke the economy leading to years of austerity as the Tories got the economy back on track.

No way will I vote Labour again.


Thoroughly based on fact.

What should we start with? Debt?


https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/...e-uks-national-debt/


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Some remain area Tory MP’s aren’t too happy with a General Election.
It’d be interesting to see who would take over the leadership of the Tory Party if Boris loses his seat & this is a possibility.


If Farage really wants Brexit to happen, then he should instruct his candidates to stand aside in Tory winnable areas. His party can be used to mop-up votes in labour heartlands where they’d never vote Tory.

The Boris ‘deal’ merely delays no-deal for a couple of years. If we don’t get a very good deal from the EU, we could well end up on no-deal. If that’s Farage wish, he should play the long-game.

I suspect however, his ego will take over and he’ll try for every seat.

Suspect (& hope) the Tories will win a majority, but the size of that majority may well depend on how split the leave vote is.


Rumours flying that the Brexit Party will stand aside in some seats pro-Brexit MP seats, announcement supposedly in Friday, but who knows if there is any truth to it.


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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


And you really think Labour will look after the NHS?[/reply

Stupid question, any party will take care of the NHS better than the CONS.
Lets face it, The NHS goes against the basic CONServative supporters Principles


Labour try and make a big deal about the NHS at every election but voters aren't fooled.


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In virtually every aspect of the economy Labour governments outperform Tory ones.

It's just a pity so many are duped by the lies of the Tory media and are let down by the laziness of the rest of the media to check facts.


No basis in fact.

The last Labour Gov't broke the economy leading to years of austerity as the Tories got the economy back on track.

No way will I vote Labour again.


Thoroughly based on fact.

What should we start with? Debt?


https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/...e-uks-national-debt/[/reply

Politically biased research searching for specific outcomes isn't helpful.

So you are saying Govt's shouldn't borrow.

Good luck with that

I always thought it's not what Governments borrow but how they spend it that was relevant!


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What should we start with? Debt?


https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/...e-uks-national-debt/[/reply

Politically biased research searching for specific outcomes isn't helpful.

So you are saying Govt's shouldn't borrow.

Good luck with that

I always thought it's not what Governments borrow but how they spend it that was relevant!


LOL!

Why is it politically biased? Because it's findings don't match the lies you are told by the Tories and their press? Spoken like a true Brexiteer.

The Tories run up the debts. Labour repays.

Shall we go on to employment?




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Nicholas Soames on Rees-Mogg

"An absolute fraud who is a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse”


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"An absolute fraud who is a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his arse”



An absolute fraud? Bit rich coming from Soames..... says more about him than it does about the Moggster.


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Electoral calculus has the Tories with a 76 seat majority.


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Electoral calculus has the Tories with a 76 seat majority.


On 7 June 2017, the day before the 2017 GE, Electoral Calculus had a Tory lead of 72 seats.


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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


And you really think Labour will look after the NHS?[/reply

Stupid question, any party will take care of the NHS better than the CONS.
Lets face it, The NHS goes against the basic CONServative supporters Principles


Labour try and make a big deal about the NHS at every election but voters aren't fooled.


Voters aren't fooled? Definitely the funniest thing I've read today.



Where's the 'ignore this poster' button?


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Traditional Labour leave voters need to wake up !
Do they love Brexit more then the NHS and protecting their working and social rights which Boris will slash,


Simple choice for them to make!


And you really think Labour will look after the NHS?[/reply

Stupid question, any party will take care of the NHS better than the CONS.
Lets face it, The NHS goes against the basic CONServative supporters Principles


Labour try and make a big deal about the NHS at every election but voters aren't fooled.


Voters aren't fooled? Definitely the funniest thing I've read today.


Really? So when did Labour last win an election?

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