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Towlawtom
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Being in the EU costs each person in the UK a whole 34p a day .... 34p a day!!


For all the access, opportunities, no European war conflicts for 70 years, freedom of trading, protection of rights and safety standards for UK citizens, I would happily pay a hell of a lot more!

eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2019/03/03/eu-membership-is-a-bargain


Do brexit voters still believe this myth that the EU "tells us what to do"? I really wish people would research the facts and stop spouting this Shite!. All laws passed by the European parliament have to be agreed by ALL member states. Each country can use its veto if it disagrees, including the UK - therefore, all the laws passed by the EU which affect the UK have been agreed with by the UK!! And every voter in the UK gets a vote in deciding who they send to the European parliament to make these decisions on our behalf. Unfortunately, lots of people vote to send someone like Farage who sits on his arse, fails to attend any meetings, but happily collects the cash thank you very much.



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QMV has all but replaced unanimity and the veto.


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It's all going Pete Tong for Boris, Amber Rudd has resigned from Cabinet and Conservative party.!



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It's all going Pete Tong for Boris, Amber Rudd has resigned from Cabinet and Conservative party.!


“Political vandalism”

‘Assault on decency and democracy”

“I no longer believe leaving with a deal is the government’s main ibjective”


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And yet, those with a perversion to remain still don’t understand the mood of the electorate.


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"perversion to remain"?

I suppose it would be equally valid/invalid to speak of "perversion to leave".

Maybe we should stick to describing the different sides as being those who believe the UK is best served by staying in the EU and those who believe the UK is best served by leaving the EU.

We're moving into dangerously tense and emotive times. Some of the exchanges inside Parliament last week were bitter and vitriolic. And the atmosphere between the rival demos today was toxic and near violent.

I don't see the point of a second Referendum when it appears that whichever side won it would be by a very narrow margin. And I'm not convinced that a General Election would produce a clear majority for either side.

Although I voted remain in 2016 I think that ship has sailed. Like Kinnock Junior I think the best or least worst way out of this mess would be to try May's deal once more. There appear to be plenty of Labour MPs who, with no-deal exit looming, now fervently wish they'd voted in favour of it last time out.

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"perversion to remain"?

I suppose it would be equally valid/invalid to speak of "perversion to leave".

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No, the language is specifically and only appropriate to be used for remainers wishing to block the will of the people.

Here’s the dictionary definition of the word;
“Distortion or corruption of the original course”

Personally don’t think it could be swapped as you’ve suggested.


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Perversion to Remain, Perversion to Brexit?
I think you will find the problem is the potential no-deal Brexit, which many in the Conservative Party will not accept, even though they accept Brexit per se.


It is the distrust of Johnson's policies within his own party that is tearing his government apart.



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And yet, those with a perversion to remain still don’t understand the mood of the electorate.


Can you explain these riddles to me.

IN 2016 we voted narrowly to leave

In 2019 all the polls indicate we want to remain.

Why should a decision made in 2016 trump the will of the people in 2019?

Why should we punish ourselves by doing something we no longer appear to want to do?

Shouldn't a confirmatory referendum be the obvious solution? Only one group is against such a referendum - why is that?

Only 35% want to leave iwithout a deal. Why should we leave without a deal?


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Here is where i’m at with Brexit;

1. Parliament doesn’t reflect the British People’s position on Brexit. That’s factual. 52/48 public view, majority of MP’s are remain.

2. Parliament will never vote for a deal, whatever deal, whatever’s in it. The Labour Party policy is to campaign against any Tory deal. Even if it’s the best deal in the world, Parliament will vote against it. Boris knows that, we all know that.

3. Therefore we need a new Parliament, whether to approve a cracking new deal (unlikely we’ll get this from the EU) or to allow a no-deal Brexit.

4. I believe the British people will deliver a pro-Brexit Parliament in 2019 (my opinion), as they overwhelmingly thought they were doing in 2017.

5. However, if the voters deliver a hung parliament (or worse), then I would conclude the only way out of this is for another referendum.

I personally don’t believe we’ll need a new referendum after the GE, because people will get the Leave Parliament they were promised in 2017. However, if people truly have changed there mind (& no national votes since 2016 have indicated that) then we’ll get a Remain parliament and consequently a second referendum.


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1 The 52/48 split was three and a half years ago. Not now.
2 The Labour party is irrelevant if the Tories had delivered on their promises
3 Only 35% want no deal
4 The only way that will happen is through the vageries of our electoral system. The majority now supports remain parties.
5 The EU may decide enough is enough. No extension without referendum,
6 Johnson is an incompetent, lying buffoon.


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Here is where i’m at with Brexit;

1. Parliament doesn’t reflect the British People’s position on Brexit. That’s factual. 52/48 public view, majority of MP’s are remain.


Those "majority of MPs" were elected with their views on remain/leave well known, 12 months after the referendum. The people of the UK elected those members with those views so perhaps it's the poeple's fault that they elected the wrong MPs?


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The voice of Brexit

https://twitter.com/...348038608408576?s=20


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That's shocking!

Brexit supporters can't defend that by saying your are bound to get the odd idiot because there are several odd idiots in that clip.



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The whole sorry mess that is Brexit may yet be taken out of Parliaments hands if reports coming out of France are to be believed....

"There will be no extension to Brexit in the current circumstances",

according to the France's Foreign Minister.

Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Sunday that as things stand, a delay beyond the October 31 deadline would not be granted.

Asked if a Brexit delay was possible, the French minister told Europe 1 radio not under the current conditions.

"We are not going to do [extend] this every three months," he added..........

Suits me Cool


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Here is where i’m at with Brexit;

1. Parliament doesn’t reflect the British People’s position on Brexit. That’s factual. 52/48 public view, majority of MP’s are remain.


Those "majority of MPs" were elected with their views on remain/leave well known, 12 months after the referendum. The people of the UK elected those members with those views so perhaps it's the poeple's fault that they elected the wrong MPs?


Interesting also that the majority of the tory mps that lost the whip the majority of their constituents voted remain.. SO they were sacked for going against their constituents wishes.



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Oh wad some pow'r the giftie gie us, to see oorsels as others see us.

The view from Canada


“But the position of Mr. Johnson’s new government is that since Britain voted for the idea of skydiving, then skydiving there must be. On Oct. 31, Britain has no option but to jump out of a plane, parachute or no parachute.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/...ed+Web+Article+Links


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Oh wad some pow'r the giftie gie us, to see oorsels as others see us.

The view from Canada


“But the position of Mr. Johnson’s new government is that since Britain voted for the idea of skydiving, then skydiving there must be. On Oct. 31, Britain has no option but to jump out of a plane, parachute or no parachute.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/...ed+Web+Article+Links

Worrying about the view of another nation's media is no substitute for democracy.

Selective polling is no substitute for democracy.

Parliamentary distaste for the Express wishes ofvthechoi polloi is no substitute for democracy.

The only 'opinon'.....The only 'statistic'.....The only 'poll' that matters is the one expressed by the UK electorate in 2016.

There is no such phenomenon as a 'narrow' victory in a fptp electoral plebiscite.

The vote was fair, legal and open to all.

There was no 'deal's requisite in delivering Brexit , even if optimal.
Anyway, that bird flew the minute Remainers broke our democratic contract that requires losers' consent.
Their undermining of our negotiating position and cohorting with foreign interests has hamstrung the Govt for the past 3yrs.

No Deal is the Brexit we will get.
It is the Brexit we deserve.
It is the only Brexit that will lead to order from this chaos.

The order will be I the form of a total reformation of our system of political representation.
Leftys should welcome that....

If they really knew what left wing politics was truly about.......Envy of the rich is a nihilistic self defeating ideology and has failed many times throughout history.....Only the truest of morons based their political stance on that failed ideologue.

How's the weather?
Too hot here !


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Selective polling LOL!

Here’s 116 polls for you.

http://www.no2brexit.com/polls.htm

Enjoy.


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The whole sorry mess that is Brexit may yet be taken out of Parliaments hands if reports coming out of France are to be believed....

"There will be no extension to Brexit in the current circumstances",

according to the France's Foreign Minister.

Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Sunday that as things stand, a delay beyond the October 31 deadline would not be granted.

Asked if a Brexit delay was possible, the French minister told Europe 1 radio not under the current conditions.

"We are not going to do [extend] this every three months," he added..........

Suits me Cool


And which presumably means we'll hear less from Brexiters about the EU desperately hanging on to us for our monetary contribution.

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The only 'opinon'.....The only 'statistic'.....The only 'poll' that matters is the one expressed by the UK electorate in 2016.


In a parliamentary democracy, the only "polls" that matter are those taken in parliament.


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Another view of yesterday’s pro-Brexit yobs.

They behave remarkably like the yobs who follow the England football team around the world.

https://twitter.com/...421368002895877?s=21


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The Boris Bounce appears to be of the dead cat Variety.
New ComRes Poll - 4-6 September 2019

LAB- 28% (+1)
CON 26% (-5)
LDEM 20% (+4)
BREXIT 17% (+1)
SNP/PC 4% (+1)
GREENS - 4%

Just wait until polling after 31 October.


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Another view of yesterday’s pro-Brexit yobs.

They behave remarkably like the yobs who follow the England football team around the world.

https://twitter.com/...421368002895877?s=21

Please explain exactly how half a dozen pushers and shovers ( who may have been police agent provocateurs....hmmm!) have any relevance to the result to
leave the EU as proscribed by the 2016 referendum....


Looking forward to this answer...LOL!


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The Boris Bounce appears to be of the dead cat Variety.
New ComRes Poll - 4-6 September 2019

LAB- 28% (+1)
CON 26% (-5)
LDEM 20% (+4)
BREXIT 17% (+1)
SNP/PC 4% (+1)
GREENS - 4%

Just wait until polling after 31 October.


Interesting you pick that one. How about YouGov (5-6 Sept);
Conservative 35%
Labour 21%
Lib Dem 19%
Brexit 15%
Green 4%
SNP 4%

I could pick another half a dozen polls all with different numbers.

The only ones that count are those on election day, but they don’t ever support the Remain case!

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