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Karen Browne
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Parliament 328, Government 301.


Who do Parliament get in the next round



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007Dale
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Parliament 328, Government 301.


Who do Parliament get in the next round


The House of Lords. But that’s basically a walkover. Expect to see that in ‘mad results’


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PaulC
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I’m no fan of Boris but you’ve must’ve watching a different PMQ’s to me but saying that after Ian Blackford’s interminable 2nd question we probably both fell asleepLaugh



Corbyn mastered him. 6 questions not one answer. Statesman v waffling, bluster, blunder and pathetic attempts at jokes. All Johnson could do was attack Corbyn

Singh Dhesi eating him alive. Instead of apologising all Johnson could do was attavk Corbyn

https://twitter.com/...218435554918400?s=20

Swinson talking to him like a naughty boy
https://twitter.com/...245163723591681?s=20

Margot James tearing into him from his own benches with cheers round the house

https://twitter.com/...237162551906304?s=20

Skewered by Vernon Coker and Dominic Grieve too

As the Politics Home editor wrote

"Oh dear. After a torrid first #PMQs, Boris Johnson headed for the exit - then had to be told to turn back so he can sit next to Sajid Javid for the Spending Review. Not surprised he wanted to make a quick getaway, to be honest."

or John Crace
"It’s turning into Groundhog Day for Boris Johnson. He’s really not very good at this. He’s making Corbyn look brilliant"

Kevin McGuire
"And sacked Tory MP Margot James tears into Johnson over Dominic Cummings’ reign of terror. Uncomfortable #PMQs for Johnson and now Cummings"

"Boris Johnson’s #pmqs debut was the worst I’ve seen though in fairness I’ve only watched those of May, Cameron, Brown, Blair & Major. Binary Law might’ve struggled."


Yes I think you were watching something different. What did you thiink was good about the version you saw?


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I never said he was good or bad but as a Tory rebel supporter he could’ve been better,as for a politician never answering a question well how unusual,I do like that out of the 3 reviews you’ve chosen two of them happen to be of labour persuasion....strange thatWink


PaulC
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Well, I wouldn’t like to be Dilyn the dog when Boris gets home.

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Brexit has nothing of benefit for British working class people only the rich. I am struggling to understand why it's being so vehemently campaigned for.



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !

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jon b
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When the Daily Mail describes his performance at a "calamitous" PMQs as "nervous and flustered" I think we can safely say it was a car crash debut.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...calamitous-PMQs.html

I found it interesting to see how badly he reacted under pressure. Not a good omen given current circumstances. I never thought a UK PM would use the insult "big girl's blouse" in the House of Commons. Other than that low point, his approach appeared to consist of bluster and pre-prepared soundbite jibes.


PaulC
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The contrast with the considered, measured, polite style of Corbyn was remarkable.


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Johnson didn't do himself any favours by referring to the opposion leader as Corbyn, the speaker immediately pulled him up on that. Johnson also referred Corbyn as a "chlorinated chicken" and "Caracas" a play on the word "Crackers" and referring to the current problems in Venezuela



The feeling of utter devastation when you pick up your mug and realise you already finished your tea.

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PaulC
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and "big girl's blouse"


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No "No deal Brexit" and no General Election. Not a great day for the new PM with two votes and two defeats. Now the UK bumbles along with a minority government.



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When Boris lost the vote last night and then got up to speak, with the look of clear anger on his face, I was half expecting something akin to Richard Harris in the film version of Cromwell when he spoke to Parliament, soldiers coming in, blocking the doorways, arresting people who didn't agree with him.



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Perhaps the problem is we ended up with the wrong Johnson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/...uk-politics-49594793

Maybe we should have tried to persuade Joe or Labour's Alan to be PM.

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So can we have the next election with the correct Johnson, and maybe the correct Milliband.
(If the UK gets relegated in the meantime, I suggest Gary Johnson)



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I suggest Erin =






July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 87 / 75 / 12 / inc 3 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 14 / 10 / 2019.
2019/20. Benelux = Bel = 0-0-0-(I(MUI-I)-0-0)-(0-2-1-1)/ Lux = 0-2 / Neth = 0-0-0-(1 - 2) Others France = 0-0 / Germany =0-0-0 / Italy =0-1(Act 2- Frosinone new)./ Iberia = P = 0-0 & S = 0-0.

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Tykeoldboy
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I suggest Holly Johnson then we can all "Relax". See what I did there? Welcome to the displeasuredome



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dottirofhod
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 I do hope the two tribes don't rage too hard and with the power of love learn to relax and cum to a decision.



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 87 / 75 / 12 / inc 3 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 14 / 10 / 2019.
2019/20. Benelux = Bel = 0-0-0-(I(MUI-I)-0-0)-(0-2-1-1)/ Lux = 0-2 / Neth = 0-0-0-(1 - 2) Others France = 0-0 / Germany =0-0-0 / Italy =0-1(Act 2- Frosinone new)./ Iberia = P = 0-0 & S = 0-0.

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Tykeoldboy
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I do hope the two tribes don't rage too hard and with the power of love learn to relax and cum to a decision.

Shouldn't this be Power of Gove Laugh



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KnowYourMarket
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As Hilary Benn said. Once we leave the EU (with or without a deal) that will be the end of the beginning. The beginning has already taken 3 years.

This will drag on for years whether we stay, leave or do the hokey cokey. I cannot see a time in the near future where Brexiteers or Remainers will change their mind.



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As Hilary Benn said. Once we leave the EU (with or without a deal) that will be the end of the beginning. The beginning has already taken 3 years.

This will drag on for years whether we stay, leave or do the hokey cokey. I cannot see a time in the near future where Brexiteers or Remainers will change their mind.


Some Brexiteers have been doing.

There is now a majority favouring Remain.


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PaulC - that is according to pollsters. Whether you or I like it or not, Yatesman has always been right in saying the only votes that matter have been won by Brexit supporters.

While I have always been a remainer, I do not believe we should ignore the referendum on a change of parliament. If we are to offer remain back to the populace, then another referendum is required. See my "two question" scenario a few posts back and note that the questions are slanted to favour leaving with a deal.



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PaulC - that is according to pollsters. Whether you or I like it or not, Yatesman has always been right in saying the only votes that matter have been won by Brexit supporters.

While I have always been a remainer, I do not believe we should ignore the referendum on a change of parliament. If we are to offer remain back to the populace, then another referendum is required. See my "two question" scenario a few posts back and note that the questions are slanted to favour leaving with a deal.


Absolutely. Another referendum is required. It’s so obvious it’s hardly worth mentioning.

The polls have shown for a long time that the tide has turned. That’s why Brexiteers don’t want one. I regularly cite latest polls because Brexiteers regularly parrot “nothing has changed” “we still want out” when that clearly isn’t true.

They are happy to hold 3 complex GE votes in 4 years but not two binary referendums in 3.5 years.


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PaulC - that is according to pollsters. Whether you or I like it or not, Yatesman has always been right in saying the only votes that matter have been won by Brexit supporters.

While I have always been a remainer, I do not believe we should ignore the referendum on a change of parliament. If we are to offer remain back to the populace, then another referendum is required. See my "two question" scenario a few posts back and note that the questions are slanted to favour leaving with a deal.



Absolutely. Another referendum is required. It’s so obvious it’s hardly worth mentioning.

The polls have shown for a long time that the tide has turned. That’s why Brexiteers don’t want one. I regularly cite latest polls because Brexiteers regularly parrot “nothing has changed” “we still want out” when that clearly isn’t true.

They are happy to hold 3 complex GE votes in 4 years but not two binary referendums in 3.5 years.


Would a second referendum solve the problem that currently exists?

Consider for a moment the possibility that it returned the same result.
Jo Swinson the leader of the Lib Dems has stated publicly that she would not or ever accept such a scenario. Pretty undemocratic and illiberal if you ask me.

The current stated position of the Labour Party is that they would campaign to remain, even if they held power and managed to negotiate a new deal, as was stated by their Foreign Affairs spokesman on yesterday evenings Question Time. What a shambolic position to hold.

No, the only way forward is to hold another GE and hope that the country will give a clear majority to one party which can then end this interminable deadlock.

Either way it would be a travesty if the original result is not enacted.


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PaulC - that is according to pollsters. Whether you or I like it or not, Yatesman has always been right in saying the only votes that matter have been won by Brexit supporters.

While I have always been a remainer, I do not believe we should ignore the referendum on a change of parliament. If we are to offer remain back to the populace, then another referendum is required. See my "two question" scenario a few posts back and note that the questions are slanted to favour leaving with a deal.



Absolutely. Another referendum is required. It’s so obvious it’s hardly worth mentioning.

The polls have shown for a long time that the tide has turned. That’s why Brexiteers don’t want one. I regularly cite latest polls because Brexiteers regularly parrot “nothing has changed” “we still want out” when that clearly isn’t true.

They are happy to hold 3 complex GE votes in 4 years but not two binary referendums in 3.5 years.


Would a second referendum solve the problem that currently exists?

Consider for a moment the possibility that it returned the same result.
Jo Swinson the leader of the Lib Dems has stated publicly that she would not or ever accept such a scenario. Pretty undemocratic and illiberal if you ask me.

The current stated position of the Labour Party is that they would campaign to remain, even if they held power and managed to negotiate a new deal, as was stated by their Foreign Affairs spokesman on yesterday evenings Question Time. What a shambolic position to hold.

[b[No, the only way forward is to hold another GE and hope that the country will give a clear majority to one party which can then end this interminable deadlock.[b/]

Either way it would be a travesty if the original result is not enacted.

Lest we forget: neither of the two main parties have a united view on what should happen. Even a parliament with one of them in a clear majority could leave us in exactly the same position as we are at the moment. Only a Liberal Democrat Party or a Brexit Party majority is going to resolve that conundrum. Either of those would, of course, cause all manner of other problems.


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[b[No, the only way forward is to hold another GE and hope that the country will give a clear majority to one party which can then end this interminable deadlock.[b/]

Either way it would be a travesty if the original result is not enacted.

Lest we forget: neither of the two main parties have a united view on what should happen. Even a parliament with one of them in a clear majority could leave us in exactly the same position as we are at the moment. Only a Liberal Democrat Party or a Brexit Party majority is going to resolve that conundrum. Either of those would, of course, cause all manner of other problems.


When Johnson assumed leadership of the Tory Party he did so with a clear agenda. He assumed power with a clear message to become the party of leave. In that case his prorogation of parliament was clearly designed to instil discipline throughout his party by confronting his hardcore opponents which once they voted against allowed him to expel them. His party was already split and he was always leading a minority government in all but name. The sackings merely formalised this.

Something that the hapless May should have done when her cabinet leaked and briefed against her.

The Remainers saw the purge of their favourite Tories as a terrible loss of talent, a cataclysmic blow to the credibility of the party, its final death even; yet to Leave voters, losing anti-Brexit irreconcilables, especially overrated establishment figures, was a huge step in the right direction and proof of Boris’s seriousness.

In any case, the Prime Minister needs a party with a single message: every candidate will have to sign up to his plans. This will be the only way that he can fight off the Brexit Party. If he wins, perhaps with a slender majority, Johnson will need to be able to count on every one of his MPs.

Whatever the outcome the Tories are now being corralled into a united force under his plan to exit the EU.

Only a GE will see if this high risk plan works.

Of course the remainers will attempt to delay a future GE for fear of this strategy being successful.


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