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AndyE
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A bit later in the day than I'd intended, but that's my usual way! The "silent update" has now happened, and a new version of the yellow January edition with minor revisions will now present itself to you if you go to:

http:/www.andyofkent.exofire.net/GTF_201819_JanFeb.pdf

(Make sure you don't re-download a cached copy of the old version.)

Changes from Friday's edition:

1. A handful of typos corrected.
2. Kells ARLFC (National Conference Premier) now shown as having two grounds.
3. A brief mention of some Gaelic Football and Hurling fixtures being on Saturday evenings. I'm not going to link to fixtures because then I'd need to do the same for all the competitions in all the sports, and I imagine that anyone who is thinking of going to see a GAA fixture already knows where to get the fixtures. The Irish-language forms of the county names are staying, because GAA types do use them rather more than most others in Ireland.
4. Three substantive changes, two advised to me off-forum and one I stumbled across. Knighton Town (Mid Wales) and Trearddur Bay (Welsh Alliance) dropped out of their leagues early in the season and so they have been taken out. Lochar Thistle (South of Scotland) were supposed to play on a new ground this season, but - as seems to be the inevitable way of new grounds - it's not ready, and they are in fact playing at Dumfries YMCA's ground.
5. Teversal, as per northstandexile's post above. I think the main reason I didn't originally use the route suggested is that the bus stop you need to use in Chesterfield is a bit of a hike from the station. Even so, unless you were starting from Nottingham or Mansfield you probably would go via Chesterfield rather than via Sutton in Ashfield, so I've switched to that.

Try as I might, I can't get the distance from Landywood station to Wolverhampton Sporting (Midland Premier) below 0.875 miles, so the bus from Cannock stays in.


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Can't fault your wonderful site but i did Landywood - Wolves SC in under 15 mins yesterday. Madness to use bus from Cannock but people reading this will make own minds up.


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Much as I'm not a groundhopper - I watch one team home and away - I think I'm going to have to go to Wolverhampton Sporting when I get a free Saturday. Cannock one way, Landywood the other way, see what I think to the walk!


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Many thanks for continuing to produce this fantastic resource.

I see you have the Coventry Arena station as the route for Coventry City. I thought trains weren't allowed to stop there for football matches as it is a tiny station and doesn't have the capacity to handle thousands of passengers at one?


AndyE
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That was at one time the case, but some heads got banged together. West Midlands Trains now runs double length trains (ie two carriages!) when Coventry City or Wasps are at home.


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I used it when Cheltenham played there last season



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In other news, I have now finished the revision of football grounds in England (so far, only England). Reductions to bus services mean that Cogenhoe United, Debenham LC, Leamington, and Loxwood have become impossible to do since the last edition.


Galloway's timetables indicate there is a 1656 bus from Debenham Leisure Centre to Diss (arr 1729). Could be a bit tight after the match, but I am sure some would risk it.


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If you're fit Cogenhoe is walkable from somewhere on the A4500 in Northampton. No. 45 and 47 buses go along there, with regular stops. Probably about 2 miles, some of it uphill.



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AndyE
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Galloway's timetables indicate there is a 1656 bus from Debenham Leisure Centre to Diss (arr 1729). Could be a bit tight after the match, but I am sure some would risk it.


Damnit, the EU Long Bus Routes Directive - or whatever its proper name is - strikes again! I knew that there was a bus from Debenham Leisure Centre to Eye at 1656, and I knew that there was a bus from Eye to Diss at 1720. What I did not know, because Traveline never tells you this, is that they are actually the same bus. Accordingly, what looks like a very tight connection at Eye is no problem at all.

It would be no use at all in the Southern Counties East League, because the game won't have finished by 1656. But if games in the Eastern Senior League actually kick off on time and don't have seven minutes added time in the second half as standard, then it would probably work. The bus stop at Debenham Leisure Centre is about as close to the ground as it gets. So that will go into the March edition, if the bus still exists by then.



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If you're fit Cogenhoe is walkable from somewhere on the A4500 in Northampton. No. 45 and 47 buses go along there, with regular stops. Probably about 2 miles, some of it uphill.


Actually, there's an easier way yet. The football ground is on the southern edge of Cogenhoe, and not much more than one mile from Brafield on the Green - which has an hourly bus service on the 41 (Bedford - Northampton).

The timings aren't especially convenient, and you'll be hanging around in BotG for longer than you really wanted to. Even so, going there rather than relying on Cogenhoe's skeletal service should probably have gone in - and will do next time.


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Been thinking about your route to Teversal at Step 6 (EMCL). Would getting the direct bus from Chesterfield rather than the two bus option from Sutton Parkway which is on the branch line from Nottm to Worksop.


This Sutton to Chesterfield bus service with end on 2nd March as the operator says it is now unprofitable.


AndyE
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It's nearly time for the March/April edition of GTF 2019, which will be the final edition for the current football season.

I'm busy with other things tomorrow, so work on that will begin on Tuesday and with a following wind I should be able to publish on Friday. All the comments on here since last time will be taken into account, and I have a few other notes on changes that need to be made. I wasn't planning to add any new sports or leagues on this occasion, but I've had a request for one which shouldn't be too difficult and so I'm considering it.

That is the new Southern Conference in Rugby League, but I'd be interested to hear comments on whether it's actually worthwhile. If it's "proper lower level rugby league" then it can go in, but I've heard Bad Things about amateur rugby league in the south. Will it be the sort of competition where games are played in proper grounds with with proper rugby league furniture, or the sort of competition where the away team probably won't have a full side and rather a lot of games will be conceded?


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Thanks in advance for the March update, Andy!

In Welsh League Division 1, Pontypridd Town have moved from Leckwith Stadium, Cardiff to ground share at Aberaman Park, the ground of Aberdare Town. This appears to be for the remainder of this season, and maybe into next season. But with Pontypridd these days, who knows!
I think the Jan/Feb edition still has them at USW, Treforest, where their long term plans are focussed, but that won't be any time soon.


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AndyE
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Thanks gcnc, duly noted.

Unfortunately Friday has slipped to Monday, mainly because I've spent two days this week doing stuff that I get paid for when I was only expecting it to be one. In good news, I'm finding that not a great deal of the information has changed since the January edition, although as always there are a couple of grounds which have become a bit trickier to get to.

While none of the clubs has said so in quite as many words, should I take it that Badshot Lea, Broadbridge Heath, and Tottenham Hotspur will not be on their new grounds this season?


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Pochettino claims Tottenham could well play QF home leg on 9/10 or 16/17 April at new stadium with game against Huddersfield on 13th April also potentially pencilled in.


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Stockport Town - Woodley station as you have suggested is the closest and is on the line to/from Manchester. However, Bredbury station is just a slightly longer walk but serves both Manchester & Sheffield. I visited from the Sheffield direction and getting to Woodley would have meant an extra change of train (at Romiley). It wasn't worth the hassle for an extra 5 minutes walk.


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Tottenham have announced that, subject to test events planned for 24th and 30th March running successfully, their first Premier League match at the new ground either be on 3rd April v Crystal Palace or 6/7th April v Brighton. It will be the former if Brighton win their FA Cup semi-final against Millwall and the latter if Brighton lose. It also seems that Tottenham's home leg in the Champions League quarter finals will also be at the new ground.

Badshot Lea have tweeted that their first match at their new ground will take place on Saturday 6th July opponents to be confirmed.

Incidentally your directions to Badshot Lea's current groundshare at Camberley Town are also slightly out of date. You can no longer reach the ground via Krooner Road there is a high fence to prevent any access. Instead you need to follow the route of the bus down Frimley Road, turn right into Wilton Road, pass to the right of the CEF outlet and the ground entrance is to the left of unit number 12 of the industrial estate.


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I've had a request for one which shouldn't be too difficult and so I'm considering it. That is the new Southern Conference in Rugby League, but I'd be interested to hear comments on whether it's actually worthwhile. If it's "proper lower level rugby league" then it can go in, but I've heard Bad Things about amateur rugby league in the south. Will it be the sort of competition where games are played in proper grounds with proper rugby league furniture, or the sort of competition where the away team probably won't have a full side and rather a lot of games will be conceded?

This should be a decent competition. Certain criteria had to be met by those applying. Indeed, some reasonably well organised amateur rugby league clubs in the south failed to secure inclusion. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' grounds. Below tier three in rugby league and tier two in rugby union, one finds oneself in railed-pitch-and-adjacent-clubhouse territory. Any thoughts about featuring the Premier Divisions of the North West and Yorkshire leagues? The Cumberland League is starting the 2019 season with a single division, to split into two later.


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I'm well on track to put the Mar/Apr edition out tomorrow as planned. It's going to be green this time, so your yellow Jan/Feb editions should soon be discarded. I haven't yet written the Southern Conference League rugby league page; that's the only thing left, and it should be fairly straightforward.

Changes since last time around, most of them mentioned in the post above:

Badshot Lea (5-CoCL) and Camberley Town (5-CocCL). The entrance has moved to the other side of the ground. Badshot Lea's new ground will not now be in use this season, although - sneak preview of next season's GTF - it looks tricky to get to.

For Cogenhoe United (5-UCL) I am now suggesting a bus to Brafield on the Green. It has a regular service which Cogenhoe doesn't, and it's about one mile away.

The bus service from Cwmbran to Penperlleni to visit Goytre (W2-WL1) has been reduced, although in fact the bus that a visitor is most likely to use still runs.

Oadby Town (5-UCL) have resigned from the league with immediate effect.

Pontypridd Town (W2-WL1) are now playing in Aberdare.

Teversal (6-EMCL) has become less easy because the Spira bus route is no more. The revised routing goes from Mansfield rather than Chesterfield, and involves bus 141 to Stanton Hill, which is now the nearest you can get. Quite a long walk once you get to Stanton Hill, but unavoidable.

Tottenham Hotspur (Premier) plan to move into their new ground in April, so it's gone in alongside the old ground.

Regular readers will know that I try to avoid giving alternatives, except in remote areas. So I'm sticking with Woodley for Stockport Town, but the suggestion of using Bredbury station instead is not a silly one, and if you were travelling from Sheffield you might well go that way.


Thanks to Feversham Lens for the comments on the Southern Conference League. The type of ground he describes certainly counts as "proper" so this new league will certainly be going in. What I was a bit fearful of was that the new league might be all a bit "jumpers for goalposts" - albeit not literally - and the sort of league where you can never be quite sure that the away team is going to turn up. But it sounds better than that, so in it will go.

I'm slightly surprised to see that it's going to play on Saturdays; I was expecting it to be on Sundays.


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Thanks to Feversham Lens for the comments on the Southern Conference League. I'm slightly surprised to see that it's going to play on Saturdays; I was expecting it to be on Sundays.

Saturday is (and always has been) the main day for amateur rugby league fixtures. Until the late Sixties, of course, all rugby league games were played on Saturdays.


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That last bit I should probably have known, but didn't. Did rugby league move to Sundays to avoid competing with football for spectators? One thing I did know, though, is that London Skolars are the only professional rugby league team in England who play their home matches on Saturdays. That suggests that Saturday is seen as preferable in the London market, and on that basis it certainly makes sense for the Southern Conference to play on Saturdays.

I've now written the Southern Conference page, and it was fairly straightforward as I expected. Fourteen teams playing on thirteen grounds (the bizarrely named Hammersmith Hills Hoists and Wests Warriors play on the same ground in Chiswick). Two of the thirteen grounds are those of semi-professional rugby union clubs, six amateur rugby union clubs, one Step 3 football club (Swindon St George play at Supermarine), one rugby league specific ground in Hemel Hempstead, two school fields, and one public park. All are reasonably easy to get to.

Time now for a read through to find the deliberate mistakes, and then the Mar/Apr edition of GTF 2018-19 - the last for the present football season - will be published a bit later this afternoon.


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Did rugby league move to Sundays to avoid competing with football for spectators?

Pretty much. Aggregate attendances for 'professional' (i.e semi-professional) rugby league matches slumped from almost seven million in 1948-49 to just 800,000 in 1974-75, the sport's nadir. 1974-75 was my first season as a rugby league spectator. By 1994-95, the aggregate figure had recovered to 1.6m. Not sure what it is now.


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Technically Swindon play at Supernmarine ru within the same complex but may use an outside pitch incuding the New College one but never the main football one


AndyE
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Thanks guys. I've slightly changed my entry for Swindon St George now that I know that they don't play on the main pitch at Swindon Supermarine, but on a back pitch.

It was just as well that I did have a read through before publishing, because I suddenly realised that Football in Ireland was still stuck in 2018. Revising it didn't take long though, since the two divisions contain the same twenty clubs playing on the same twenty grounds as last year. So it was just a matter of moving Finn Harps and UCD into the Premier, and Bray Wanderers and Limerick down to Division One. Fortunately, the "Finn Harps Special" - the late evening bus from Ballybofey to (London)Derry which runs only on Friday evenings - still exists.

That completes the March and April edition, which is now available for download. It's green this time, so please discard any yellow versions you may have on your desktop. That's all for the present season; the next edition will appear around the start of August. And now it's time for my regular fight with how to enter a link on this forum:

http:/www.andyofkent.exofire.net/GTF_201819_MarApr.pdf


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Bedford RL moved in 2018 to Great Ouse Way MK40 4WG

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