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garethwrexy
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I'm on site at moment we're on odd times we work threw breaks is the company or contractor I work for breaking the law by not giving us breaks ?



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The following is from the working time directive, you should have a 20 minute break if you work more than 6 hours:
a limit of an average 48 hours a week on the hours a worker can be required to work, though individuals may choose to work longer by "opting out"
paid annual leave of 5.6 weeks' a year
11 consecutive hours' rest in any 24-hour period
a 20-minute rest break if the working day is longer than six hours
one day off each week
a limit on the normal working hours of night workers to an average eight hours in any 24-hour period, and an entitlement for night workers to receive regular health assessments.


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Surely as a conservative you don't believe workers should have any rights.Smile



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I'm on site at moment we're on odd times we work threw breaks is the company or contractor I work for breaking the law by not giving us breaks ?

Aren't you taking a break by posting on here if you're on site as you say?


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The following is from the working time directive, you should have a 20 minute break if you work more than 6 hours:
a limit of an average 48 hours a week on the hours a worker can be required to work, though individuals may choose to work longer by "opting out"
paid annual leave of 5.6 weeks' a year
11 consecutive hours' rest in any 24-hour period
a 20-minute rest break if the working day is longer than six hours
one day off each week
a limit on the normal working hours of night workers to an average eight hours in any 24-hour period, and an entitlement for night workers to receive regular health assessments.


A rather over simplification of the law, but basically right except for -
[a] Opting out of the 48 hour week must be in writing and the 48 hour week is taken on an average of 17 consecutive weeks.
The annual leave of 5.6 weeks per year includes Bank and Public Holidays, plus any time that the employers are not working in a normal working week, eg if they decide to close one Friday that can be included in the annual leave allowance.
[c] There are a lot of occupations exempt from the Act including the armed forces, emergency workers, security guards, etc.


garethwrexy
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May 29, 2017, 8:43 AM

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Sorry should made clear, it's current contract, am due back there Tuesday !



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garethwrexy
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May 29, 2017, 8:44 AM

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Thanks



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jon b
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Beware of companies that break the rules "to get the job done". Rules are generally there for a reason and being willing to break one sort of rule could lead to getting sloppy with critically important ones.

My grandfather was killed at a colliery when safety rules were in force in name only. That attitude killed him. That and the two railway trucks.


garethwrexy
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May 29, 2017, 11:27 AM

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The site manger bit of tosser sacked somone who challenged him about safety on site



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The site manger bit of tosser sacked somone who challenged him about safety on site


I hope whoever was sacked will report him to the HSE.

They should also take your employer to a tribunal for unfair dismissal.

The story below is relevant and perhaps worth remembering on election day, especially as a couple of parties have promised to abolish tribunal fees to make justice more accessible for workers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...ection-2017-40014115


garethwrexy
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May 29, 2017, 11:53 AM

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I won't name the company running the job but there huge outfit worth millions, some these firms are joke on these jobs the way conduct things



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I won't name the company running the job but there huge outfit worth millions, some these firms are joke on these jobs the way conduct things


I can imagine. Dealing with the big companies from the contract management side, it's very rare to see one do a good job...


garethwrexy
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May 29, 2017, 12:26 PM

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One foreman bit stress head he claims, the site office telling up to up production each day want more done quicker which isn't great way to do things if I am honest



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FFS Gareth. You work in construction, what do you expect?
If you want to be mollycoddled, go work in a library.



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garethwrexy
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Attitudes like that cause accidents



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Attitudes like that cause accidents


I agree...mollycoddling is an accident waiting to happen.



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garethwrexy
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May 29, 2017, 2:42 PM

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Have you ever worked on a site before



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TempWorksCo
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Have you ever worked on a site before


Only for the last 40yrs..........



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garethwrexy
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May 29, 2017, 3:07 PM

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I don't. Mind hard work but conditions need to be safe, sites should not push people into the ground by not giving them breaks



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Bantam Cymraeg
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May 29, 2017, 7:15 PM

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FFS Gareth. You work in construction, what do you expect?
If you want to be mollycoddled, go work in a library.

My wife works in a library, and by some of the stories she tells it sounds like a war zone most of the time. There's no way I'd swap with her, because I'd probably end up lamping the little brats.


Isaac
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May 29, 2017, 8:31 PM

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FFS Gareth. You work in construction, what do you expect?
If you want to be mollycoddled, go work in a library.

My wife works in a library, and by some of the stories she tells it sounds like a war zone most of the time. There's no way I'd swap with her, because I'd probably end up lamping the little brats.


Our local library have had to call the police on a few occasions to remove trouble makers.


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The site manger bit of tosser sacked somone who challenged him about safety on site


I hope whoever was sacked will report him to the HSE.

They should also take your employer to a tribunal for unfair dismissal.

The story below is relevant and perhaps worth remembering on election day, especially as a couple of parties have promised to abolish tribunal fees to make justice more accessible for workers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...ection-2017-40014115


In fairness we've only heard one side of the story.


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The following is from the working time directive, you should have a 20 minute break if you work more than 6 hours:
a limit of an average 48 hours a week on the hours a worker can be required to work, though individuals may choose to work longer by "opting out"
paid annual leave of 5.6 weeks' a year
11 consecutive hours' rest in any 24-hour period
a 20-minute rest break if the working day is longer than six hours
one day off each week
a limit on the normal working hours of night workers to an average eight hours in any 24-hour period, and an entitlement for night workers to receive regular health assessments.


These type of regulations will be the first to be got rid of once we come out of the EU. And working folk think it is a good idea to come out of the EU, you couldn't make it up.


garethwrexy
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I have around 2 weeks left on the contract before I'm onto other works this summer, might just grit me teeth and put up,



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I'm onto other works this summer,


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Isaac
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May 29, 2017, 10:13 PM

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The following is from the working time directive, you should have a 20 minute break if you work more than 6 hours:
a limit of an average 48 hours a week on the hours a worker can be required to work, though individuals may choose to work longer by "opting out"
paid annual leave of 5.6 weeks' a year
11 consecutive hours' rest in any 24-hour period
a 20-minute rest break if the working day is longer than six hours
one day off each week
a limit on the normal working hours of night workers to an average eight hours in any 24-hour period, and an entitlement for night workers to receive regular health assessments.


These type of regulations will be the first to be got rid of once we come out of the EU. And working folk think it is a good idea to come out of the EU, you couldn't make it up.


These regulations sound all very good in theory but when you've got an endless supply of cheap labour from Eastern Europe who will accept whatever rubbish is thrown at them and zero hours contracts these regulations count for nothing in practice as Gareth has seemingly found out, no you couldn't make it up!


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FFS Gareth. You work in construction, what do you expect?
If you want to be mollycoddled, go work in a library.

My wife works in a library, and by some of the stories she tells it sounds like a war zone most of the time. There's no way I'd swap with her, because I'd probably end up lamping the little brats.


Our local library have had to call the police on a few occasions to remove trouble makers.

Yep, she's got a panic button under the desk that links straight to the local police station, and she gets regular check-ins from the PCSOs.


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FFS Gareth. You work in construction, what do you expect?
If you want to be mollycoddled, go work in a library.

My wife works in a library, and by some of the stories she tells it sounds like a war zone most of the time. There's no way I'd swap with her, because I'd probably end up lamping the little brats.


Our local library have had to call the police on a few occasions to remove trouble makers.

Yep, she's got a panic button under the desk that links straight to the local police station, and she gets regular check-ins from the PCSOs.

Down to homeless people with alcohol problems i presume?


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Like all rules they are there to be broken, the Eastern European bit is a total Red Herring as employers for years have broken rules and will always break them. Basically they want the job done and want to make a profit. They don't want loyalty as such because it costs them money, they don't want to make people with any length of service redundant as that costs them money - they want them to resign and walk away. After Brexit everything will be much worst. Despite what they say the Tories if they get a big majority will just roll back the years to the good old days. Every government would like everyone to "retire" on their 55 birthday and then start claiming any private / personal pensions they have by doing that it's another person who can't be counted as unemployed.

Going back to Gareth, what does your current contract of employment say and are you employed or self employed / subcontracted.


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Like all rules they are there to be broken, the Eastern European bit is a total Red Herring as employers for years have broken rules and will always break them. Basically they want the job done and want to make a profit. They don't want loyalty as such because it costs them money, they don't want to make people with any length of service redundant as that costs them money - they want them to resign and walk away. After Brexit everything will be much worst. Despite what they say the Tories if they get a big majority will just roll back the years to the good old days. Every government would like everyone to "retire" on their 55 birthday and then start claiming any private / personal pensions they have by doing that it's another person who can't be counted as unemployed.

Going back to Gareth, what does your current contract of employment say and are you employed or self employed / subcontracted.


How is the Eastern European bit a red herring? With the current over supply of labour employers can do pretty much as they like.


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Already around here a few Eastern European people have gone home and no one will fill the jobs, the shortage or carers is getting critical. I know people who have carers and work in the industry they all say without the Eastern Europeans they are struggling. Most are the good at their job and sadly their replacements if available are not. Carers get above the minimum.

The Eastern Europeans do many jobs are own won't do and will never do no matter what the pay rate, because they won't work we have to accept we have many who won't work. There are genuine people out of work but many won't work full stop. All this talk of a living wage, it will bankrupt the country and lower other wages for professional and skilled workers and all that will happen is we will bring in workers from overseas to do those jobs. DO we really think most Tory bosses really care about the workers?.

This country has relied on overseas workers for many years, basically to do jobs our own won't do. Be it in the 1950's when Commonwealth workers came here to EU workers in the last 20 years.

I for one hope the EU workers do not leave I would hate to see the state of the economy if they do. What is stretching our resources are those from overseas who come here with one aim in mind to use the benefit systems and NHS services, I'm not talking about refugees but economic migrants who are here to get something for nothing. The NHS is also stretched by A&E millions if not billions are needlessly spent on self inflicted injuries many on a Friday and Saturday night when have accidents happen due to the state of the person involved. EU workers don't qualify for many (if any) benefits if they don't have a job when they first come here. Health treatment is a reciprocal arrangement across the EU. What benefits EU citizens get here are the same as we would get if we lived in their country like the many hundred of thousands of our citizens who live in France and Spain. We need to crackdown on those who are playing the systems be them home grown or from overseas not genuine cases or passing the buck and blaming others.

The EU is a badly run organisation I don't think anyone can hand on heart say it is not, but I for one am not looking forward to the future here no matter who is in government, the Conservatives can not be trusted, Labour mean well but with their present set up could not run a bath. The Lib Dems were heading in the right direction but with a God Squad member in charge and legalising drugs is no way to win votes.

No one represents my views, I even agreed with one of UKIP's pronouncements about the NHS, the waste is in the organisation and procurement where billions are wasted. Sadly a fact reflected countrywide in many organisations. This country is run to much on the old pals act, jobs for the boys / giving jobs to who you know not what you know. Until we get out of that mentality will will never prosper, we could all learn a thing or two from some of (not all) the Asian business men and women who's parents and grandparents came here 50 / 60 years ago. You don't do well in this life unless you work hard, or are fortunate enough to be given everything a plate which many in this country many seem to think is their given right.


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Nobody will fill the jobs?

That is a sad indictment of this country, and maybe a too-liberal attitude towards work - 'I don't have to do it, let some other soul do it.'

If it pays somebody more to not work than to work then who can blame them for shirking? That is the main issue - being paid to be lazy has gotten us into this mess. Yes, some people genuinely cannot work but others can and want to. A disabled neighbour of mine hasn't worked in five years yet will go anywhere to find work (even to Lancaster or Manchester which is quite a trek as she does not drive).

A job has to pay a decent rate, but I do think that we are an over-privileged nation. For the moment, there are jobs out there - 20/30 years into the future when it is estimated that up to half the jobs in this country will be automated a job will be a luxury and not a right.


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Already around here a few Eastern European people have gone home and no one will fill the jobs, the shortage or carers is getting critical. I know people who have carers and work in the industry they all say without the Eastern Europeans they are struggling. Most are the good at their job and sadly their replacements if available are not. Carers get above the minimum.

The Eastern Europeans do many jobs are own won't do and will never do no matter what the pay rate, because they won't work we have to accept we have many who won't work. There are genuine people out of work but many won't work full stop. All this talk of a living wage, it will bankrupt the country and lower other wages for professional and skilled workers and all that will happen is we will bring in workers from overseas to do those jobs. DO we really think most Tory bosses really care about the workers?.

This country has relied on overseas workers for many years, basically to do jobs our own won't do. Be it in the 1950's when Commonwealth workers came here to EU workers in the last 20 years.

I for one hope the EU workers do not leave I would hate to see the state of the economy if they do. What is stretching our resources are those from overseas who come here with one aim in mind to use the benefit systems and NHS services, I'm not talking about refugees but economic migrants who are here to get something for nothing. The NHS is also stretched by A&E millions if not billions are needlessly spent on self inflicted injuries many on a Friday and Saturday night when have accidents happen due to the state of the person involved. EU workers don't qualify for many (if any) benefits if they don't have a job when they first come here. Health treatment is a reciprocal arrangement across the EU. What benefits EU citizens get here are the same as we would get if we lived in their country like the many hundred of thousands of our citizens who live in France and Spain. We need to crackdown on those who are playing the systems be them home grown or from overseas not genuine cases or passing the buck and blaming others.

The EU is a badly run organisation I don't think anyone can hand on heart say it is not, but I for one am not looking forward to the future here no matter who is in government, the Conservatives can not be trusted, Labour mean well but with their present set up could not run a bath. The Lib Dems were heading in the right direction but with a God Squad member in charge and legalising drugs is no way to win votes.

No one represents my views, I even agreed with one of UKIP's pronouncements about the NHS, the waste is in the organisation and procurement where billions are wasted. Sadly a fact reflected countrywide in many organisations. This country is run to much on the old pals act, jobs for the boys / giving jobs to who you know not what you know. Until we get out of that mentality will will never prosper, we could all learn a thing or two from some of (not all) the Asian business men and women who's parents and grandparents came here 50 / 60 years ago. You don't do well in this life unless you work hard, or are fortunate enough to be given everything a plate which many in this country many seem to think is their given right.


Exactly, you've summed it up perfectly. Only migrant workers will do certain jobs because the pay and conditions are so atrocious, if an unlimited supply of cheap labour is no longer available then things will have to improve.


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Exactly, you've summed it up perfectly. Only migrant workers will do certain jobs because the pay and conditions are so atrocious, if an unlimited supply of cheap labour is no longer available then things will have to improve.


Didnt the same thing happen in the fifties?...........



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Exactly, you've summed it up perfectly. Only migrant workers will do certain jobs because the pay and conditions are so atrocious, if an unlimited supply of cheap labour is no longer available then things will have to improve.


Didnt the same thing happen in the fifties?...........


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No work on a55



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I have worked on some great sites, and some not so great, safety culture needs more change



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I have worked on some great sites, and some not so great, safety culture needs more change


I look forward to your views on each site in your autobiography.


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I have worked on some great sites, and some not so great, safety culture needs more change


I look forward to your views on each site in your autobiography.



And the title of this thread would seem a good title for the autobiographySly


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Well I think it's not subject for fun, on average maybe today someone will have been involved on site accident either fatal or life changing



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Well I think it's not subject for fun, on average maybe today someone will have been involved on site accident either fatal or life changing


Absolutely right.


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Seen bad accident a couple of years ago, lad had drill dropped on him from around 15 foot, he was off work for 2 months after,



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If anything, it needs toning down.



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FFS Gareth. You work in construction, what do you expect?
If you want to be mollycoddled, go work in a library.

My wife works in a library, and by some of the stories she tells it sounds like a war zone most of the time. There's no way I'd swap with her, because I'd probably end up lamping the little brats.


Our local library have had to call the police on a few occasions to remove trouble makers.

Yep, she's got a panic button under the desk that links straight to the local police station, and she gets regular check-ins from the PCSOs.

Down to homeless people with alcohol problems i presume?

You presume wrong. It's chavs off the local housing estate. You can't touch them, and they know it.


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A report on our local news this evening about a fatality on a building site in Sussex.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/local/15289766.___Warnings_given_a_year_before_death_fall____at_Stanmer_Park/?ref=rl&lp=4


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Tragic somone has gone to work to earn money and tonight isn't coming home that's wrong, his family are in my thoughts tonight



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Do you work in construction



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Do you work in construction


Not exactly; I'm a project manager and involved in letting and overseeing construction contracts, so I visit sites as part of this. Currently involved in a civil engineering project in central London which has been a nightmare. Trenching down a street we found around 90 services crossing it in a 20m stretch. We ended up having to tunnel under them, which obviously forced the cost up, especially when we also found out the soil under the road was contaminated and we had to dispose of it and replace it.

As my Dad's a farmer I grew up doing a lot of manual labour though. My family has a history of building their own houses and that's something I plan to do when I eventually get out of London.


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FFS Gareth. You work in construction, what do you expect?
If you want to be mollycoddled, go work in a library.

My wife works in a library, and by some of the stories she tells it sounds like a war zone most of the time. There's no way I'd swap with her, because I'd probably end up lamping the little brats.


Our local library have had to call the police on a few occasions to remove trouble makers.

Yep, she's got a panic button under the desk that links straight to the local police station, and she gets regular check-ins from the PCSOs.

Down to homeless people with alcohol problems i presume?

You presume wrong. It's chavs off the local housing estate. You can't touch them, and they know it.


A combination of both in our local library and several people have been banned, both chavs and older people with alcoholic and/or drug problems.


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London is not easy area for site work especially if have to do muck away, or have big pipes and lots of kit brought onto site



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Ever worked aboard



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Yes. I went to uni in Israel and then did odd jobs whilst applying for PhDs including being a handyman on my campus. After that (I was accepted into every uni I applied for but couldn't get funding) I spent about a year working as an English teacher before moving back home.

It was amazingly easy to get a work permit. All I had to do was to attend the local branch of the Interior Ministry with my girlfriend for a 5 minute interview and then got awarded one.

The most notable differences to working in the UK were:
- The working week is Sunday to Thursday, although many people (including myself) worked on Friday morning.
- I paid a lower tax rate because I had no access to public services (I think I paid only 10% but had to get private healthcare)
- My employer had to pay for my commute (so my bus season ticket was free).
- There was only 12 days of annual leave, but there is one public holiday (Passover) that lasts a week and almost everyone gets given the whole week off
- As the public holidays are based on Jewish faith, anyone who is not Jewish (you have to be defined as a religion in Israel even if you're an athiest) gets the holy days of their religion off as well, so I got Christmas Day off whilst my colleagues didn't

During my second week as an English teacher I was walking through Be'er Sheva Central Bus Station when a suicide bomber blew himself up about 100m away.

I really think everyone should try and live abroad at some point in their life. It gives you a whole different perspective on the world and for some aspects you realise all the things that are done better elsewhere and in other respects it makes you thankful for being British. Another reason leaving the EU is such a shame if it makes it harder for the next generation to do that.

What about yourself?


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I really think everyone should try and live abroad

What about yourself?


He went to Wales!

BTW...Went to israel for holiday - awesome!



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It's a great place to visit. My Mum and sister came over for a holiday so I took them down to Eilat and started off with some scuba diving, then a drive through the desert to the Dead Sea. Followed by Jerusalem's Old City, Haifa's Bahai gardens, a visit to Acre for some genuine Arab hummus (although the best is in Abu Ghosh near Jerusalem), then up into the Galilee staying in a small kibbutz with the Jordan river running through it for a visit to the Sea of Galilee and some rafting on the river.

The Eilat end of the country is complete desert and the Galilee is lush and green. For such a small country, it's an incredible contrast. Living at the desert end, greenery was one of the things I missed the most.


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then a drive through the desert to the Dead Sea.


...day before we went some poor uni girl lost her life on the track up the mountain. I have never experienced heat like that place.
A lot of the beaches around there are now closed due to sinkholes.



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then a drive through the desert to the Dead Sea.


...day before we went some poor uni girl lost her life on the track up the mountain. I have never experienced heat like that place.
A lot of the beaches around there are now closed due to sinkholes.


Yes, the Arava valley is stifling and definitely the hottest part of the country. I think because it's so low (most of it is below sea level), the heat is trapped. The temperature in the Arava is around 40 degrees all summer. There are a lot of vegetables and flowers grown in the valley because of the consistent temperature. Strangely there is also a kibbutz (Yotvata) that has a huge cattle farm that produces a lot of Israel's milk - the heat must be horrible for the cows). Having said that, I preferred that part of the country to Tel Aviv in the summer as although the temperatures were more reasonable by the coast (30 degrees) the high level of humidity made it very uncomfortable. In the dry heat of the desert I never really felt like I was sweating.

The sinkholes are because the sea is drying up. Plans to pipe water in from the Red Sea never seem to come to fruition so unless the country switches to almost entirely using desalinisation plants rather than the Sea of Galilee (which stops water heading downstream) it seems to be heading the way of the Aral Sea...


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Had an import / export business for 40+years which meant going / staying abroad for differing lengths of time.
Miss those days.

Even did a bit of business aboard in them far off days.


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When I served in the RAF I was posted to Belize in Central America. The accommodation was dreadful & the alcohol was ridiculously cheap. I was also detached to American Air Force base Aviano in northeast Italy, with the AWACS through the Balkan Wars.


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Getting back to safety on site, building sites have lots of hazards deep excuvations, machinery, people using cutting saws, lots of areas were an accident can happen, in my experience housing sites seem to get run a cheap budget



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Getting back to safety on site, building sites have lots of hazards deep excuvations, machinery, people using cutting saws, lots of areas were an accident can happen, in my experience housing sites seem to get run a cheap budget



I know conditions on building sites are difficult & dirty. But H&S is of paramount concern for all building contractors. There are so many regulations surrounding the building industry & people have been heavily fined/sentenced for not following the H&S regulations.
As for getting back to safety on site. It was you that asked if people had ever worked abroad?


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in my experience


What is your experience?

Can you do deep drainage, RC Frame, kerbing, paving, drive machinery?
Do you set out?
Or, like plenty on building sites, do you just lean on your shovel moaning about conditions and how the boss/site manager/construction manager and H&S manager are idiots and dont know anything compared to you?

When you moan about occasionally working through breaks is it when you have a concrete pour or a tarmac delivery? Or is it because it is close to handover date and if you and others had pulled their finger out, instead of leaning on their shovels moaning, things would have run smoother?

If i ever have the mis-fortune to run a project in Wrexham I must remember........avoid giving anyone called Gareth a start Wink



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I'm good worker thanks !



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That was meant sites in Europe too,



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Doing what?



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Banksman, drive machines dump truck, help with concrete works anything that's happening



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Or, like plenty on building sites, do you just lean on your shovel moaning about conditions and how the boss/site manager/construction manager and H&S manager are idiots and dont know anything compared to you?


If i ever have the mis-fortune to run a project in Wrexham I must remember........avoid giving anyone called Gareth a start Wink



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Blimey love to see some of you lot do hard manual work



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Why would they want to?
Are you implying they are weak and their bodies are not their Temple?

The pen is mightier than the sword...or shovel.



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And I'm sure some of us would like to see you do a V.A.T return.


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And I'm sure some of us would like to see you do a V.A.T return.


Dont start him on alchohol!



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If be too much you wouldn't handle my site, sit on the bench eh



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If be too much you wouldn't handle my site, sit on the bench eh


Mate, id pi55 all over you.
Average site i run has 60 men on ground works....... and they dont cry if they occasionally have to work through their break.
You wouldnt last until 10:00am Tongue



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You must be part of 70s gang were work shout swear work bollocks off



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Yep, he was drummer for 'The Tourettes' Wink


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Thanks



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This thread is obviously going downhill faster than a piece of cheese in Gloucester. I think Gareth has had all the 'advice' he is going to get.

 
 


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