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Sarumio
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Missing result to complete Oxfordshire Senior Prem

Riverside v Oxford University Press (game award to Oxford Univeristy Press) - 9th May 2015.


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Missing result to complete the Wiltshire League - Melksham Town Reserves 3-2 Shrewton United (May 7th 2015)

I've added this result now.
Also, I've reversed the 2nd May result for Westbury v Devizes from 2-3 to 3-2 to conform with the Full-Time website results.
As a result of both of these changes, the end of season table here on NLM now matches that on the Full-Time site.

Many thanks!


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Missing result to complete Oxfordshire Senior Prem

Riverside v Oxford University Press (game award to Oxford Univeristy Press) - 9th May 2015.

Thanks again.
Applied this one too, and now the NLM and full-time tables match.


drawoh
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Another league where the table on here appears to be more accurate than the table on the official league website is the Staffordshire County Senior League.
The official table is missing results from games that were played in November in the Premier Division. I haven't bothered checking the other divisions at the moment. I'll come back to this league when I've finished 'auditing' the other step 7+ leagues.

Further to my earlier reply, I've now looked at all results from the four divisions of this league. The league website has now been updated with all missing results, but there are still a number of anomalies.
There are many matches for which the league website has quoted a different scoreline (sometimes even a different result) from that which it gives in its daily summary of matches in the news section. I've checked quite a number of these differences, looking at club websites, club twitter feeds, and checking with individuals, and for each match I've checked, the league has got the review correct, and the result wrong. I've therefore used the review as definitive in all such cases. The games affected by this are:
Prem Div
8 Nov Eccleshall v Hilton 0-3 (website gives result as 0-1)
29 Nov Redgate v Kidsgrove 6-0 (website result 6-1)
20 Apr MMU v Ball Haye 5-3 (website result 5-1)
Div 1
21 Mar Betley v Keele 2-2 (website result 0-2)
Div 2N
30 Aug Florence v Tunstall 2-4 (website result 3-4)
7 Feb LAFC v Eastwood 2-0 (website result 4-2)
14 Mar Florence v Betley 2-1 (website result 3-1)
Div 2S
7 Feb Cannock v Stone 0-3 (website result 0-4)
28 Feb Hawkins v Whittington 2-2 (website result 3-8)

A further difference:
Prem
19 Nov Brereton v Hilton 1-3 (website 1-2) I've picked up the 1-3 scoreline from Hilton's twitter feed, which is usually very reliable.

There are four matches over the divisions in which three points have been awarded without the game being played. None of these are mentioned on the website, but the tables are consistent with this having happened - and I've checked with one of the clubs concerned that this indeed did happen.


Sarumio
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To complete the Hampshire Premier League Division One...

Lyndhurst v Upham which was postponed in April - the match and 3 points have been awarded to the away side, Upham.


Hitchin-John
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To complete the Hampshire Premier League Division One...

Lyndhurst v Upham which was postponed in April - the match and 3 points have been awarded to the away side, Upham.


Thanks for the above.

It would be nice if other leagues with outstanding fixtures would do as the above.

Was hoping to produce a list according to my records.


drawoh
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Update, or rather lack of update, on the Staffs County Senior League discrepancies:

I sent a note to the League last week, using the link on their website, mentioning these discrepancies, with full details of the most significant of them (3-8 or 2-2). But so far, no response and no apparent change on the website. The website is even showing one team playing two matches on the same day at the same time.

I will post here, should I hear anything, or notice any changes.


Sarumio
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Although not yet updated on the North Bucks website or full-time, Loughton Manor have reported that the one remaining game in the division involving themselves and Potterspury was indeed played last Tuesday as scheduled. They needed to win by a 3 goal margin to take the title from Potterspury, but the final result was in fact a 2-2 draw.

There are five other games at Step 7 that are not scheduled to be played now so we will have to wait and see what happens to them

Borden Village v Bredhurst Juniors in Kent Co Prem
Lawford Lads v Tollesbury in ESBL Prem
Buckhurst Hill v Newham United in the Eessex Olympian Prem
Mortimer v Unity in the Thames Valley Prem
Kirby Muxloe Reserves v Melton Mowbray in the Leicestershire Prem

I'd imagine none of these games will now take place so points may well have to be awarded at some stage.

One division I have no no idea what they'll do is the Kent County League Div One West where three game are unplayed. Two of those games involve Halstead United (1st), and Peckham Town (3rd), but just one point behind. The table cannot stay as it is so either the games must be played or points awarded, otherwise a champion cannot be declared.


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Nothing yet from Leics County FA on the Kirby Res v Melton game but it is hard to see it being played now and I expect the visitors to be awarded the points.


Hitchin-John
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Although not yet updated on the North Bucks website or full-time, Loughton Manor have reported that the one remaining game in the division involving themselves and Potterspury was indeed played last Tuesday as scheduled. They needed to win by a 3 goal margin to take the title from Potterspury, but the final result was in fact a 2-2 draw.

Have updated NLM with the above, thanks. Will continue to check other outstanding fixtures regularly


Hitchin-John
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Borden Village v Bredhurst Juniors in Kent Co Prem
Buckhurst Hill v Newham United in the Eessex Olympian Prem
Mortimer v Unity in the Thames Valley Prem
Kirby Muxloe Reserves v Melton Mowbray in the Leicestershire Prem
Farnborough v Long Lane, Kent County Div 1W
Peckham v Belvedere, Kent County Div 1W
Halstead United v Phoenix Sports, Kent County Div 1W
Ventus/Yeadon Celtic v Bradford Horton Sports West Riding Div 1
Golcar United Reserves v Littletown Reserves. West Riding Div 2.
Nicholas Wanderers v Lebeq, Bristol Premier Combination

Staffs County League - leaving drawoh to sort out.


(This post was edited by Hitchin-John on May 22, 2015, 10:26 PM)


Sarumio
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Tollesbury v Lawford - points awarded to Tollesbury


Hitchin-John
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Tollesbury v Lawford - points awarded to Tollesbury


I had picked this up last evening and updated NLM, but had not updated the above posting.

No movement on any of the others, the LEIC site has now disappeared for the new version and Staffordshire has discrepancies in all leagues. I was hoping drawoh was going to be able to resolve. Not a lot of help from the Staffordshire officials.


Sarumio
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WMRL - full time updated - both outstanding games now showing as 0-0 draws with points awarded as such.


drawoh
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WMRL - full time updated - both outstanding games now showing as 0-0 draws with points awarded as such.

Thanks! Results added.


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I was hoping drawoh was going to be able to resolve. Not a lot of help from the Staffordshire officials.

I've made another attempt to contact the league by a different route this morning, and hope to get a response. Meanwhile, I've checked further with various clubs, and am pretty confident that I've got the answer for six of the questionable results.


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Barnstaple Town have been awarded the points for the Devizes Town no-show


http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Toolstation-Western-League-awards-Barnstaple-Town/story-26553470-detail/story.html


Hitchin-John
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Barnstaple Town have been awarded the points for the Devizes Town no-show


http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Toolstation-Western-League-awards-Barnstaple-Town/story-26553470-detail/story.html


Thanks, have updated NLM 99-0, hope the Western League & Full Time catch up with my action.


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In the Hellenic Division One East the league have the result of Woodley v Headington on 18th April listed as 3-1 on their website. It was 3-3. Mitoo and NLM have the correct score and table.


(This post was edited by VP on May 24, 2015, 10:03 AM)


Hitchin-John
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List updated 24 May

Buckhurst Hill v Newham United in the Eessex Olympian Prem
Mortimer v Unity in the Thames Valley Prem
Kirby Muxloe Reserves v Melton Mowbray in the Leicestershire Prem. Outstanding fixture is going to the FA. Kirby Res offered Melton a date which they refused, it's laughable but could mean the difference between the home club staying up or being deducted more points for failure to fulfil and going down. (Kirby Knitters) Add 24 May
Farnborough v Long Lane, Kent County Div 1W
Peckham v Belvedere, Kent County Div 1W
Ventus/Yeadon Celtic v Bradford Horton Sports West Riding Div 1. Ventus/Yeadon have had 3 points deducted without a reason given although this game was A-A. Have deducted the 3 points. The fixture has not been closed.
Golcar United Reserves v Littletown Reserves. West Riding Div 2.
Nicholas Wanderers v Lebeq, Bristol Premier Combination
Richings Park v Barley Mow East Berkshire Div 1 Add 24 May

Staffs County League - leaving drawoh to resolve discrepancies

Borden Village v Bredhurst Juniors in Kent Co Prem, Away win NLM updated 24/5
Halstead United v Phoenix Sports, Kent County Div 1W Home win NLM updated 26/5
Barnstaple AAC v Torridgeside North Devon Premier, 0-4 NLM updated 26/5


No change 21.30 31 May


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Staffs County League - leaving drawoh to resolve discrepancies

I think it's time to call it a day with this one.

I've had no response from the league to either of my messages. However, I've had confirmation of many of my suspicions about incorrect results on the league website from various sources, mostly from the league clubs themselves.

Just one of my suspicions proved to be unfounded. I could find no corroborating evidence for two of the results, and so have left them as given on the league website. However, for the rest, I've recorded different results here on NLM from those that are shown on the league site, as these changes are all supported from at least two different sources.

Differences between results (and corresponding tables) here on NML are:

Prem Div:
8 Nov Eccleshall 0 Hilton 3 (0-1 on the league website)
19 Nov Brereton 1 Hilton 3 (1-2 on league website)
20 Apr MMU 5 Ball Haye Green 3 (5-1 on league website)

Div 1:
21 Mar Betley 2 Keele Uni 2 (0-2 on league website)

Div 2N:
7 Feb LAFC 2 Eastwood Hanley 0 (4-2 on league website)

Div 2S:
7 Feb Cannock 0 Stone OA 4 (0-3 on league website)
28 Feb Hawkins 2 Whittinton 2 (3-8 on league website - on 10 Jan)

A further problem on the league website concerns the two default wins, given to Hilton and Cheadle Town in Prem Div. The website has now been updated to mention these default wins, but instead of awarding 3 points to these two clubs, it's mistakenly deducted 3 points from each of them.

The default wins awarded to Market Drayton (Div 2N) are Stone OA (Div 2S) are not yet mentioned on the website, but the points have been awarded correctly.


Hitchin-John
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I think drawoh you have to go with your findings and accept that you have done as much as is possible to ensure we have the most accurate data available.

Thanks for your time and energy.


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I think we should consider removing this League from the NLM site altogether if they are unable or unwilling to provide reliable information to the press and other third party sources.

By the way, regarding moving onto the new season.... I expect that to start in a week or so. I will send all the Admins an email about it so don't take any actions for now until you hear from me. It's not a particularly 'user friendly' process and some actions cannot be undone so you need to know what can and can't be done before attempting it as I have always done it myself in previous years.

Have a couple of months off and be ready to go when it all kicks off again but if you really cannot do without NLM for June and July I will explain the process to any of you interested when it's time to move the divisions on.

Cheers.... Steve


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drawoh
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I think we should consider removing this League from the NLM site altogether if they are unable or unwilling to provide reliable information to the press and other third party sources.

Cheers.... Steve

I think it would be a pity to remove this league from NLM, as that would make it the only league which has a division at level 11 missing from this site. Yes, it's not easy keeping track of the results, but I think it's worth the effort. I'm certainly prepared to do it.


PaulC
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By the way, regarding moving onto the new season.... I expect that to start in a week or so. I will send all the Admins an email about it so don't take any actions for now until you hear from me. It's not a particularly 'user friendly' process and some actions cannot be undone so you need to know what can and can't be done before attempting it as I have always done it myself in previous years.


Steve, I'm sure you're aware there's still a couple of weeks to go in the Scottish Juniors season.


Possibly not the right place but for next season could West Lancashire Division Two be added?


Sarumio
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And as the only Step 7 league without its second tier included on the site, could we include the Teesside League Division Two?

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