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dottirofhod
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Steve,
as someone who mopped up results towards end of season I can see the point of adding some divisions but feel it would be better if some divisions are deleted/ or not added in first place if people who put them on originally cant keep them upto date !
Lower reaches of South Devon / York spring to mind. York bottom division still baffles me.



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I think as a starting point we should have all the divisions that are notionally (or officially) at Steps 7 and 8


So firstly get rid of the following:
Liverpool Co Prem League D2
West Cheshire D2
Cheshire D2
West Riding D2
South Devon One to Five
York League D2 to Four
Notts Senior D2
Beds Div Two and Three
Aldershot & Dist League
East Berks League both divisions


and replace them with the missing divisions that are effectively Step 8 - as they do directly feed Step 7 divisions


So that would be
Doncaster & District Senior League Prem (feeder to CML)
Durham Alliance (feeds Wearside League)
Salisbury & Dist Prem, Swindon & Dist Prem, Trowbridge & Dist Prem (all 3 of them feed the Wiltshire League at Step 7 as a result of D1's demise)
Aylesbury & Dist Prem, Wycombe & Dist Prem (feeders to SSML D2)
Lincolnshire League (feeder to CML)


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The Aldershot & District feeds step 7. Headley United are the most recent team to get promoted from it. They went to the Hampshire Premier Senior Division leapfrogging the newly formed Division One.
I've just noticed the link on this site goes to the wrong place though. (Now changed).

Like Hoddy, I started going through all the leagues checking results and stuff after Hitchin John's appeal. As I've always been the editor of the Aldershot League I didn't bother checking the other details of that league!

I agree that everything down to what would be step 8 should be included.


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Can't argue with that.
Unless anyone wishes to add others AND keep them upto date. I may add Crewe & District.

Re York League, can anyone explain D4 to me, specifically 25/04.
14-00. Settrington 0 v Bubwith 1 . League game.
15-15. Settrington 2 v Bubwith 0 . League game.
There are other instances, sure we've been here before (not looking) , obviously double headers ? Second one counts as a Bubwith home game ?
Both appear on Ful-Time and the League website. Gave up on York League when mopping up results.



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As Hoddy and VP, I've also been checking wherever possible.

I agree that everything down to Level 12 (would be step 8 if steps continued that far) should be included.

Beyond that an idea would be to include divisions only if someone is prepared to be an editor for that league. Very few at level 13 and below have editors at the moment.


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Can't argue with that.
Unless anyone wishes to add others AND keep them upto date. I may add Crewe & District.

Re York League, can anyone explain D4 to me, specifically 25/04.
14-00. Settrington 0 v Bubwith 1 . League game.
15-15. Settrington 2 v Bubwith 0 . League game.
There are other instances, sure we've been here before (not looking) , obviously double headers ? Second one counts as a Bubwith home game ?
Both appear on Ful-Time and the League website. Gave up on York League when mopping up results.


Teams play each other three times in that division. There were two home games and one away for Settrington v Bubwith. The game at Bubwith was in December.


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Re York League, can anyone explain D4 to me, specifically 25/04.
14-00. Settrington 0 v Bubwith 1 . League game.
15-15. Settrington 2 v Bubwith 0 . League game.

Sound so like SCSL, in which the league website has one team playing in two different places at the same time on the same afternoon. Quite a relief to find that SCSL isn't the only one.


dottirofhod
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Teams play each other three times in that division. There were two home games and one away for Settrington v Bubwith. The game at Bubwith was in December.


Knew we had been there before , must try and remember in future. Hopefully wont be in fixtures/ results section next season.
By the way were they being listed on our fixtures as 2 different home games , with different k/o's. Didn't pay much attention that low down the food chain.



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I'm having a mop up and still finding the odd points deduction so we need the tables on here a little while longer.
Steps 1-4 are done. I've nearly finished steps 5 & 6. Just found a late deuction in the SSML.


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Teams play each other three times in that division. There were two home games and one away for Settrington v Bubwith. The game at Bubwith was in December.


Knew we had been there before , must try and remember in future. Hopefully wont be in fixtures/ results section next season.
By the way were they being listed on our fixtures as 2 different home games , with different k/o's. Didn't pay much attention that low down the food chain.


I don't know. Kick off times can be a bit vague below step 6 as I'm sure you're aware. It's only since I've been doing this that I realised how much I like the Full-Time system. I know it's reliant on correct info being input but everything we need is there.


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I don't know. Kick off times can be a bit vague below step 6 as I'm sure you're aware. It's only since I've been doing this that I realised how much I like the Full-Time system. I know it's reliant on correct info being input but everything we need is there.


I differ VP. Looking after my local teams website I 'm forever chasing up the 2 leagues that are covered on Full=Time to correct things.
Appreciate this is faulty input by club secs , but having to get results/scores/scorers sent to Full Time ASAP after game is prone to errors.
Another annoying thing is changes , eg , the Cheshire League top division became the Premier Div this season , but now it appears in all previous seasons as Premier NOT Div 1.
So games played before season 2014/15 are now all in incorrect divisions Angelic



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I'm having a mop up and still finding the odd points deduction so we need the tables on here a little while longer.
Steps 1-4 are done. I've nearly finished steps 5 & 6. Just found a late deuction in the SSML.


I hope you don't find many more points deductions as I continually check but appreciate some very late decisions can change the tables even after all fixtures have been completed.

The list of outstanding fixtures listed on an earlier posting remains unchanged.


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Another annoying thing is changes , eg , the Cheshire League top division became the Premier Div this season , but now it appears in all previous seasons as Premier NOT Div 1.
So games played before season 2014/15 are now all in incorrect divisions Angelic



I can't do anything about this without a software change. If you change the name of a League, a Division or indeed of a team then it changes the name in previous seasons too. It's one of the things that simply didn't occur to me when I wrote the specification for the software.

I don't know what I'm going to do with the Conference / National League name change.


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I think Hoddy was referring to Full-Time which also exhibits this behaviour by default


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I don't know what I'm going to do with the Conference / National League name change.


There have been a few name changes in the leagues in the past season or two so the Conference won't be any different. The only issue with this site on that side of things is why some divisions aren't in the correct order in the list. The Sheffield & Hallamshire League for instance where Division Two is above the other two. I've looked at it and I think you have as well. Dunno how to fix that.


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I think Hoddy was referring to Full-Time which also exhibits this behaviour by default


Yes I was referring to Full-Time.



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The Aldershot & District feeds step 7. Headley United are the most recent team to get promoted from it. They went to the Hampshire Premier Senior Division leapfrogging the newly formed Division One.
I've just noticed the link on this site goes to the wrong place though. (Now changed).

I wouldn;t agree with that VP. 6 of the 9 teams currently in the top division of the Aldershot & District League are based in Surrey, and their progression route would be via the Surrey pyramid. As far as I am aware the Aldershot & District League does NOT feed the Step 7 Surrey Elite Intermediate League. That league only has promotion and relegation agreements in place with the Surrey Sout Eastern Combination and the Surrey County League (Western). Bottom four from the SEIL go down to be replaced with the top two from those two leagues.

Only Wey Valley (from Bordon) and Fleet Spurs Reserves from the 14/15 season were based in Hampshire. Well Yateley United Reserves are also Hampshire but their first team is already in the Surrey pyramid. And if Wey had won the division and wanted to progress, I could not see them being allowed straight into the Hampshire Premier, any more than I could see them going straight into the Surrey Elite. Hampshire Div One would be the likely place...

Headley United were simply an anomoly and were probably let straight into the Premier because of their previous association with the league, having played in the HPL (when it was a single division) only 3 years previously in 2010 and having a superior setup/ground.

And to be fair, they rejoined the HPL the same season that Div One was created, so saying they leapfrogged Div One, is a bit of a stretch. The Prem was one short so they filled the gap. If it had been full Headley would have joined as founder members of Div One.

So I fail to see how this League directly feeds into Step 7.


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The Aldershot & District feeds step 7. Headley United are the most recent team to get promoted from it. They went to the Hampshire Premier Senior Division leapfrogging the newly formed Division One.
I've just noticed the link on this site goes to the wrong place though. (Now changed).

I wouldn;t agree with that VP. 6 of the 9 teams currently in the top division of the Aldershot & District League are based in Surrey, and their progression route would be via the Surrey pyramid. As far as I am aware the Aldershot & District League does NOT feed the Step 7 Surrey Elite Intermediate League. That league only has promotion and relegation agreements in place with the Surrey Sout Eastern Combination and the Surrey County League (Western). Bottom four from the SEIL go down to be replaced with the top two from those two leagues.

Only Wey Valley (from Bordon) and Fleet Spurs Reserves from the 14/15 season were based in Hampshire. Well Yateley United Reserves are also Hampshire but their first team is already in the Surrey pyramid. And if Wey had won the division and wanted to progress, I could not see them being allowed straight into the Hampshire Premier, any more than I could see them going straight into the Surrey Elite. Hampshire Div One would be the likely place...

Headley United were simply an anomoly and were probably let straight into the Premier because of their previous association with the league, having played in the HPL (when it was a single division) only 3 years previously in 2010 and having a superior setup/ground.

And to be fair, they rejoined the HPL the same season that Div One was created, so saying they leapfrogged Div One, is a bit of a stretch. The Prem was one short so they filled the gap. If it had been full Headley would have joined as founder members of Div One.

So I fail to see how this League directly feeds into Step 7.


There have always been teams from the different counties in the Surrey, Hampshire and Berkshire based leagues in these parts. Teams in the Aldershot League can apply to join the Surrey Elite if they want - Old Farnboronians (from Hampshire!) went down that route in 2011 but the Aldershot League handbook specifically mentions the Hampshire Premier League.

This season's HPL handbook says "The bottom two Clubs in the Senior Division will be relegated. Each relegated Club will be allocated either to the Division One or to a Competition recommended as most appropriate by the Joint Liaison Committee. Two Clubs will be promoted to the Senior Division from the Division One or from a Competition recommended as most appropriate by the Joint Liaison Committee providing that each Club is either the Champion Club or Runner-up Club and has the necessary grading criteria."
And "(B) All promotions and demotions shall be determined and agreed within the workings of the Hampshire Inter-Leagues Conference"

There's no mention of promotion to or relegation from their Division One.
As well as Aldershot, there are a few other leagues in similar postions - Bournemouth & Portsmouth for example.

It's the same as the way Sussex Division Three used to work - one divisions covering the whole county and others at the same level covering smaller areas. It may not make sense or create straight lines in the pyramid but that's what happens.


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In the Leics Sen League Prem Kirby Muxloe Res have been deducted a further 3 points to failure to fulfil home game with Melton this leaves the club in the bottom 2 however the deduction is subject to an appeal by the club and it will be heard at County FA on June 29th.


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In the Leics Sen League Prem Kirby Muxloe Res have been deducted a further 3 points to failure to fulfil home game with Melton this leaves the club in the bottom 2 however the deduction is subject to an appeal by the club and it will be heard at County FA on June 29th.

Applied. I guess three points will be awarded to Melton Mowbray in due course. Let us know if you see it before we do,


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List checked 5 Jun 2015
Buckhurst Hill v Newham United in the Eessex Olympian Prem
Mortimer v Unity in the Thames Valley Prem
Kirby Muxloe Reserves v Melton Mowbray in the Leicestershire Prem. Outstanding fixture is going to the FA. Kirby Res offered Melton a date which they refused, it's laughable but could mean the difference between the home club staying up or being deducted more points for failure to fulfil and going down. (Kirby Knitters) Revised comments noted from previous posting 2 Jun
Farnborough v Long Lane, Kent County Div 1W
Peckham v Belvedere, Kent County Div 1W
Nicholas Wanderers v Lebeq, Bristol Premier Combination
Richings Park v Barley Mow East Berkshire Div 1
Staffs County League - leaving drawoh to resolve discrepancies

Ventus/Yeadon Celtic v Bradford Horton Sports West Riding Div 1. 9 May 2015 H-W awarded Updated 5 Jun
Golcar United Reserves v Littletown Reserves West Riding Div 2. 9 May 2015 H-W awarded Updated 5 Jun

I assume we have to accept that these fixtures will remain unfulfilled and the relative league tables will remain looking incomplete, the Leicestershire Prem may be the exception subject to results of appeal.

A note could be added above the respective league table, "outstanding fixture(s) not played" before Steve draws the curtain down, otherwise it could be assumed the result was missed by a NLM editor.


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Presumably the curtain won't come down until the final Scottish Junior league game has been played. So until then we can keep an eye on all those in your list, Hitchin-John, and make updates if any are changed.

Thereafter, yes, as you say, tables will have to look incomplete.


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Presumably the curtain won't come down until the final Scottish Junior league game has been played. So until then we can keep an eye on all those in your list, Hitchin-John, and make updates if any are changed.

Thereafter, yes, as you say, tables will have to look incomplete.



No it doesn't work that way. A new season is created and then the Leagues are moved on to the new season individually. After a League is moved onto the new season then you are quite right, we cannot make any adjustments to the previous season.

For example we could move the Conference or whatever it's called now, onto 2015/16 today. It wouldn't affect the ability to add results to Scottish Juniors or to edit the issues in Johns post UNLESS those Leagues had also individually been moved onto the new season themselves. It's an irreversible process moving a League on and cannot be undone.

Hope that explains.


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As was suggested, I have added an exclusive forum section for NLM main site Editors and Admins for this type of discussion. Please PM me for access. Thanks


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As was suggested, I have added an exclusive forum section for NLM main site Editors and Admins for this type of discussion. Please PM me for access. Thanks

Looks as if it's open to all, Steve, even those not logged in.

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