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Danson Albion B beat Turk Ogaci 4-1 on Sunday.
Both teams are not doing particularly well in lower divisions of their Leagues (unlike who we have got to play in the next round), so it looks like you should be able to progress.

Not sure if I have mentioned it on here yet, but the Final is being played at Beckenham Town FC (10.30.a.m. Kick-Off) on the 28th April. That's a hellish journey for teams from the North London area, but nevertheless, an Edmonton Rovers v. Inter Trac Final would be good. Cool



Yeah if we have Danson Albion B again, then we will 100% fancy our chances to get through to the Quarter-Finals...

I dont really know much about our potential quarter-final opponents (Sandmere FC/Docklands FC/Poplar Boys FC)... However, seeing as Burnt Oak Builders Merchants are on our side of the draw, there's no way we can look past the Semi-Finals, let alone looking past the Quarters...

You must fancy your chances against London Maccabi Lions B... The Jewish league isn't what it used to be...



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You must fancy your chances against London Maccabi Lions B... The Jewish league isn't what it used to be...


Indeed...or so it appears.

There's an interesting column here on the Maccabi Sunday League website which suggests they have had a crackdown on non-Jewish players signing on to play for clubs in their League. I didn't realise that wasn't allowed !

As we know, in other community Leagues such as the TCFF and the KOPA, they allow two (or more ?) 'foreigners' to play at any one time, and in London Sunday Cup competitions, TCFF and KOPA teams can field all their best registered players all at the same time, no matter what their nationality/origin is...which is why they are so strong in the London Cups.

However, London Maccabi Lions are a well-run club and I'm sure their 'B' Team players will all be fit, quick and well-organised. We played North West Neasden 'A' from the Maccabi League a few years ago in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup and they had some very good players. They were the top team in the Maccabi League at the time but we only lost 4-3 After Extra Time, so hopefully that's a good pointer for us.



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As we know, in other community Leagues such as the TCFF and the KOPA, they allow two (or more ?) 'foreigners' to play at any one time, and in London Sunday Cup competitions, TCFF and KOPA teams can field all their best registered players all at the same time, no matter what their nationality/origin is...which is why they are so strong in the London Cups.


Yeah the KOPA & TCFF both allow 3 foreigners, I can't remember if its 3 Foreigners maximum on the pitch for your team at any one time or if its 3 Foreigners in your match day squad.

Looking at Jewish Maccabi teams results in the London Cups recently I can't really think of any strong performances,



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The draw for the 4th Round on Sunday 20th January is almost complete.
Full draw here: http://www.londonfa.com/...cup/fixtures#round-4

Enfield Royals (who are doing well in Division Four of the Waltham Sunday League) surprisingly lost 4-2 to White Hart Lane (who are struggling in Division Three of the Barnet Sunday League) in their 3rd Round match on Sunday (9th December).
I wonder what happened there ? I hope it doesn't give a pointer that the Barnet Sunday League is now stronger than the Waltham Sunday League following it's merger with the Hendon S.L. and the North London S.L. during the Summer ! ShockedSmile

It's also interesting to note that the Komi-Kebir v. Burnt Oak Builders Merchants Third Round match has not yet been played and there is no date listed for that match to go ahead on either the London FA website, the Barnet Sunday League website or the KOPA League website (which is pretty useless and rarely updated nowadays).
It won't be played this Sunday (16th December) because Burnt Oak Builders Merchants are playing a Middlesex Sunday Premier Cup Quarter-Final, having beaten West Park United in the previous round...and look how good they are !! Shocked

I am wondering if maybe the London FA have 'removed' Burnt Oak Builders Merchants from their Sunday Junior Cup after suddenly finding out that they obviously shouldn't be in this competition ?



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I doubt that the LFA has kicked out BOBM. After all, in recent seasons they allowed the likes of Tripimeni, Lapton, Yalova, Apoel etc to run riot in the Junior/Intermediate Cups when it was obvious to all and sundry they had no business being there. Plus it would be pretty harsh to remove a team mid-season if they have not broken the rules. If the LFA removes a team, it will more than likely be due to a player eligibility issue.


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I doubt that the LFA has kicked out BOBM. After all, in recent seasons they allowed the likes of Tripimeni, Lapton, Yalova, Apoel etc to run riot in the Junior/Intermediate Cups when it was obvious to all and sundry they had no business being there. Plus it would be pretty harsh to remove a team mid-season if they have not broken the rules. If the LFA removes a team, it will more than likely be due to a player eligibility issue.

Maybe there is now some sort of rule that has been brought in this season that crosses over between Counties when it comes to players not being allowed to play in Sunday Intermediate or Sunday Junior Cup ties if they have already played in a Sunday Challenge/Senior/Premier Cup match for their club this season...and the London FA have only just realised that BOBM have been doing that (in Middlesex) ?

I have had a quick look through the rule book though, and I can only find what has been in there for many years whereby it only applies to competitions within one County.
For example, we lost 4-2 (AET) to Frenford Sunday (formerly known as the all-conquering Libra Arms/Memorial Sports) in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup a few seasons ago when in the same season they won the Essex FA Sunday Premier Cup...using exactly the same players ! They didn't get done for playing 'ineligible' players in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup though, even though it was unfair in a way.

Maybe the rules should be changed so that these teams who enter two different Counties' Cup competitions at different levels are forced to play a Reserve Team/totally different players in the lower one ?



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That could work IF the LFA actually bothered to have divisional entrance criteria for its county cups. It might cause a problem with some counties that have 4 county cups (e.g. some counties have junior, intermediate, senior, and premier cups). How would they get consistency with the other counties that only have 3 county cups? Which cup in one county would be considered senior to that of another county?

It would also require some great cooperation between county FAs (unlikely).


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Maybe there is now some sort of rule that has been brought in this season that crosses over between Counties when it comes to players not being allowed to play in Sunday Intermediate or Sunday Junior Cup ties if they have already played in a Sunday Challenge/Senior/Premier Cup match for their club this season...and the London FA have only just realised that BOBM have been doing that (in Middlesex) ?


I doubt it. Highgate Alsbion have played in the Middlesex Premier Cup for years while simultaneously playing in the LFA Junior Cup. I am sure many teams on London's borders with Essex and Middlesex play in the LFA Junior or Intermediate Cups, then also play in the Premier cups of other counties (do any of the Waltham league sides do that?).



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For example, we lost 4-2 (AET) to Frenford Sunday (formerly known as the all-conquering Libra Arms/Memorial Sports) in the LFA Sunday Intermediate Cup a few seasons ago when in the same season they won the Essex FA Sunday Premier Cup...using exactly the same players !


Whatever became of that Libra Arms team? They won the Intermediate Cup twice (as Libra/Frenford Sunday). Which league do they/did they play in?




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Highgate Alsbion have played in the Middlesex Premier Cup for years while simultaneously playing in the LFA Junior Cup. I am sure many teams on London's borders with Essex and Middlesex play in the LFA Junior or Intermediate Cups, then also play in the Premier cups of other counties (do any of the Waltham league sides do that?).


No Waltham League teams have ever entered into two different Counties' Cup competitions in the same season, and the only team I can think of who used to affiliate to two Counties were the now-defunct Brimsdown Rovers, and that was only because their Saturday side handled the admin side of things. Brimsdown's Sunday side only ever used to go in the London FA Sunday Challenge Cup.

I must admit that I don't ever recall seeing Highgate Albion playing in the London Sunday Junior Cup. If they did, it could well have been their Third Team (or even their Fourth Team...I believe they used to run that many teams ?). Up until a couple of years ago, the London FA website didn't use to indicate on their Sunday Intermediate/Junior Cup fixtures & results pages whether it was a Reserve Team or a Third/Fourth Team playing it those competitions, and the only way you could find out was from searching through various League websites. Even now, invariably you have to click on the + button to find out !

I disagree slightly where you say there are many teams doing what Burnt Oak Builders Merchants are doing. I have found that in general, most Premier Division First Teams who are dual-County affiliated do enter the Challenge/Senior/Premier Cups for both their affiliated Counties. Most of these are from the Orpington & Bromley Sunday League (London & Kent) and the Morden Sunday League (London & Surrey). A lot of Sunday Leagues probably put the block on it for fear of fixture congestion.
That's why those who do slip the net (e.g. B.O.B.M.) should really be spotted.


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Whatever became of that Libra Arms team? They won the Intermediate Cup twice (as Libra/Frenford Sunday). Which league do they/did they play in ?


They were even better when they were known as Memorial Sports during the mid-2000's (in-between their Libra Arms and Frenford Sunday phases). I remember seeing a press cutting about them where they had broken all records for the most number of trophies in one season...and during the space of two or three seasons ?). That included winning the London FA Sunday Challenge Cup for Season 2002-2003, finishing Runners-Up the following season, and also winning the Essex Sunday Premier Cup at least twice.
As far as I can remember, they played in the Essex Sunday Corinthian League (under all three names). I think they folded up about 3 or 4 seasons ago when their Management Team decided to give Saturday football a try. I can't remember exactly who for. Possibly the Stansted/Redbridge Management team ? I don't think it was Frenford Senior in the Essex Olympian League.



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Highgate Albion have played in the LFA Junior/Middx Premier Cups for years. Look at this year's draw, which indicates that their FIRST team is in the LFA Junior Cup:
http://www.londonfa.com/...-junior-cup/fixtures

Their presence in the LFA Junior Cup has actually been discussed on another thread:
http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=280652;#280652


http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/...%20albion%22;#389251

Remember Greengate FC? (LFA Intermediate Cup winners in 2010, now merged with London Bari) They were also playing in the Essex Sunday PREMIER Cup. Also, Apoel FC of the KOPA League have got to the Herts INTERMEDIATE cup final twice.

This sort of thing seems to happen frequently.


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Highgate Albion have played in the LFA Junior/Middx Premier Cups for years. Look at this year's draw, which indicates that their FIRST team is in the LFA Junior Cup:
http://www.londonfa.com/...-junior-cup/fixtures


I stand corrected, although that is last season's competition, not this season's.
They are now running three teams in the Barnet Sunday League but none of them have entered the London Sunday Cups this season, only Middlesex...according to this: http://football.mitoo.co.uk/...LeagueCode=BARNT2012

Also point taken regarding Greengate. I didn't realise they had merged with London Bari. No wonder L.B. are very strong this year.

My main concern is when there is a two-competition gap (e.g. same team in the Challenge/Senior/Premier Cup for one County but the Junior Cup for the other). Crossovers between C/S/P & Intermediate and Intermediate & Junior are probably always going to happen somewhere, and as you said earlier Steve, some Counties (e.g. Middlesex and Essex) have two Sunday Junior competitions...a 'Cup' and a 'Trophy', which complicates matters even further.
The only answer for a fair seeding system for all Sunday football in London and it's surrounding Counties is to not allow clubs to enter more than one County Cup, but is that fair ? Probably not when some Leagues have only 6-8 teams in their top division (because of withdrawals) and the teams remaining need more fixtures ?



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http://nonleaguematters.co.uk/...?post=280652;#280652

The link I posted about previous discussion of Highgate Albion in the Junior Cup went to the wrong page. I reposted the correct link above.

Hughesvideo, I am shocked to see Highgate Albion's FIRST team bottom of the BSFL Premier division! Shocked They were a top side in the Hendon & District League. Either they lost many players or the BSFL is now a very strong league.

London Bari were always a good side, and they are clearly ambitious. Them launching a semi-pro Saturday team at step 5 (featuring many ex Greengate and London APSA players), and skipping steps 6-7 shows that. Their Saturday team also has a winger who plays for Clapton Rangers on Sundays (would have been odd if Rangers had met Bari in this season's Challenge Cup!).

Do you know how the Surrey, Middx, Kent, Essex and Herts FAs grade their Sunday county cups? Do they e.g. say "teams in the top division of league x MUST enter cup y"?


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Do you know how the Surrey, Middx, Kent, Essex and Herts FAs grade their Sunday county cups? Do they e.g. say "teams in the top division of league x MUST enter cup y"?


Yes they do.

In the Herts and Middlesex FA's it is a lot easier to administer though because there are not many Sunday Leagues affiliated with those Counties...and most of those Leagues have between 3-5 divisions.
Most of those Leagues are also roughly equal in standard.
It is therefore quite straightforward. If you are in the Premier/top division you go in the top Cup. If you are in the second (and sometimes third) division down you go in the Intermediate Cup, and if you are in the bottom two divisions you go in the Junior Cup(s).

I notice in the Herts FA, the Welwyn & Hatfield Sunday League now only has two divisions, so I'm not sure how they seed the teams in that League. (Haven't got time to look at the moment).

An example of why the London FA have such difficulty is the difference between the KOPA/TCFF Leagues and the Ford Departmental and Association Of Provincial Supporters Leagues. All four Leagues have only two divisions each, but there is a massive difference in standard between the KOPA/TCFF and the Ford/APSL. As we know, every team in the top division of the KOPA/TCFF Leagues are of Challenge Cup quality, but every team in the top division of the Ford/APSL are most definitely Junior Cup standard (and not even Intermediate).



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As we know, every team in the top division of the KOPA/TCFF Leagues are of Challenge Cup quality, but every team in the top division of the Ford/APSL are most definitely Junior Cup standard (and not even Intermediate).


HughesVideo - I think you may be surprised by this assertion if you draw Boro in the next round or so - a team that have already knocked out North Acton and Tristars and Delloitte.

We (Aberdeen) lost 4-1 to Maronites missing 7 starters, our goalkeeper and myself having an absolute shocker in a game that their manager described as being so 1 sided in the first half it was like a "training match" in our favour! They would perhaps finish top 3 in APFSCIL over the course of a season - it was just one of those days for us.....the "domestic trophies" are always the ones we more keenly contest anyway....

Having been part of a squad that won a Surrey Saturday Intermediate Cup fairly recently I can assure you that the top teams like Boro, Aberdeen and Celtic in APFSCIL would comfortably give your side a game given the footage I've watched so would not disgrace themselves should we wish to enter the Intermediate Cup (we ourselves have won games in the Int cup in the past with a weaker side but have preffered to try and win the junior - so far struggling with getting a strong team early in the season, and also struggling outwith our comfort zone of playing well behaved teams that wont try and leave the foot in....), so please refrain from the disparaging remarks about a league we are trying to develop - expect to see a few more APFSCIL teams to enter the Junior Cup next year.

Anyway - here is a wee taster of the APFSCIL Cup Final last year at Underhill, a personal favourite of mine! A man of your video skills will appreciate this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVHVH1_Idqc


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please refrain from the disparaging remarks about a league we are trying to develop - expect to see a few more APFSCIL teams to enter the Junior Cup next year.


Apologies for that. I didn't mean it to come out that way. Wasn't thinking straight at that time of the evening. Unsure

All I could go on was past experiences. We have only played one team from your League before (Leicester City Supporters). They were apparently the top team in your League at the time but we beat them 4-1 and they were a really poor side. That was in the London Sunday Junior Cup...but 21 years ago ! Unimpressed
Similarly, about 10 years ago we played the then top team from the Ford Departmental League (Ford Zetec), also in the London Sunday Junior Cup, and beat them 8-1. That is the only time we have played a team from that League.

It's good to hear that your League has improved. Thanks to you posting on here (on another thread), I know that we will be up against it if we end up playing Middlesbrough Supporters.
I'm pretty sure that the London FA now read these threads about Sunday football, so the more people from the smaller Leagues that post on here the better and it will hopefully help them place teams in the appropriate Cups. I actually think they have got the Challenge Cup just about right now, but the Intermediate & Junior Cups still need better seeding. I did say on another thread some while ago that it would be a good idea to have the winners & runners-up of smaller Leagues like the APSC going in the Sunday Intermediate Cup the following season and I should have mentioned that in my post last night.

Just a word on Maronites. They are currently bottom of the top division in the KOPA League having lost every match so far. They probably should be in the Intermediate Cup along with the better teams from Division Two of that League, but I still think the London FA should put all top division KOPA teams in the Challenge Cup. There is no way of knowing who is going to struggle in that division once the season starts.

Scottorae...I will watch that video when I get my Internet connection back next week. (BT cable theft...again). Having to type all this on the phone at the moment. Thanks for the link.



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I had not even heard of the Ford Departmental League before this thread. Goes to show how much football is played on Sundays.

Middlesbrough Supporters took Hendon Utd Sports (champions and treble winners of the Maccabi League) to ET in the Intermediate Cup last season.



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I'm pretty sure that the London FA now read these threads about Sunday football, so the more people from the smaller Leagues that post on here the better and it will hopefully help them place teams in the appropriate Cups. I actually think they have got the Challenge Cup just about right now, but the Intermediate & Junior Cups still need better seeding.


I really hope so. Tripimeni's expulsion from the FA Sunday Cup last season (for fielding ineligible players) occurred suspiciously soon after discussion on this forum about their players who were also registered to play for other teams... I also agree with you re seeding. About 90% of teams in the Challenge Cup this season are in their league's top division and they 'promoted' several teams from the Intermediate Cup (Yalova, Phoenix, Koture, Golden Eagles, Hendon Utd Sports, Omonia). I am pretty sure that was down to our "petitions" to the LFA about the haphazard entry.

The Junior and Intermediate Cups still need "fine tuning" to weed out a few teams that should not be in them (Bromley Knights, Lord Stanley, Highgate Albion etc). In fairness, the LFA have to deal with far more entrants/leagues than most other counties. It must be an extraordinarily hard job to keep track of which teams are in which division/league or have moved league. Unless someone is really dedicated and spends a lot of time researching, they cannot get it right.





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Just as an aside both Hatcham and Baldon from OBDSFL played in Kent & London senior cups last year but have only enetered one this year. I feel the legues themselves should have more influence over the clubs and insert something in their own rules. This takes the pressure off the County FAs. At the end of the season it can also be unfair on teams in their own divisions if they progress in both competitions. They usually get behind on league fixtures and other clubs' games can often become spread out with spare weeks (and hence lack continuity and form) at the end of the season - often affecting relegation or promotion. Why can't the County just add a question "do you enter competitons from another county?".

Hughesy -after your excellent result against BK if you keep on protesting aout them you'll make a case that you should have been in the intermediate (joshing really!)

Having entered sides into the Kent cups I can say there is no guidance given on which cup to enter by them.


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Hughesy -after your excellent result against BK if you keep on protesting about them you'll make a case that you should have been in the intermediate (joshing really!)

Funnily enough, we actually filled in our London FA affiliation form to enter the Intermediate, but they slung us in the Junior ! Wink

In fact I think there are at least 12 clubs who are playing in the Junior this season who should be in the Intermediate. I don't know whether, like us, they actually applied for the Intermediate on their forms but got put in the Junior to make up the numbers ?
The problem with the London FA has always been that they don't make it compulsory for all affiliated Sunday clubs to enter their Cup competitions. I have spoken to a number of teams over the years who say they don't even enter the Junior Cup. They think the standard will be too high for them because they play in the lower divisions of their Leagues, and also because the players are not committed enough after a booze-up the night before, so they don't fancy the travelling.
Subsequently, far more Challenge & Intermediate-standard clubs enter instead of the average 'Sunday Pub/beer-gut/Junior'-standard sides who just play for fun.

All three sides we have played so far (Lord Morpeth, Bromley Knights & Dees Reserves) have been extrememely well-organised teams who in my opinion would not have been out of their depth in the Intermediate Cup.



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Gents, slightly different tangent here but you are both obviously knowledgeable about London Sunday Football. Do you know of any other supporters teams that are currently in operation in London? We are keen to add more teams to the league for next year and will be starting the recruitment drive in the new year.

Thanks in advance


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Gents, slightly different tangent here but you are both obviously knowledgeable about London Sunday Football. Do you know of any other supporters teams that are currently in operation in London? We are keen to add more teams to the league for next year and will be starting the recruitment drive in the new year.

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Most of the Non-League clubs I have filmed matches for in and around London on a fairly regular basis over the last 20 years or so have had supporters' teams, but very much just to play the occasional Friendly match here and there (invariably on a Saturday morning before their team's match in the afternoon).
I used to play for the Enfield FC Supporters team (the 'Green Lights') back in the 90's. Great fun, but there was no way we were ever going to enter a League. Too many of the players (including myself) were already playing for Sunday League clubs.

I remember filming a Friendly match a few seasons ago between Grays Athletic Supporters and Gravesend & Northfleet Supporters when I was filming for both clubs in the Conference. I think Grays Supporters won 10-0 or something, but there was no way either side would be good enough or organised enough to play in a League. Smile



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This coming Sunday (20th January) sees the Fourth Round (last 16) being played, although I suspect the forecast snow will put paid to that and all matches will end up being re-scheduled for the following Sunday instead. Nevertheless, here's a look at the teams involved:

Sandmere v. Poplar Boys
Sandmere play at Battersea Park and they are currently struggling near the bottom of the table in the top division of the two-division Central London 'Super' Sunday League. Whether that League really is 'super' I have no idea, as historically their member clubs rarely enter London FA Cup competitions, and with club names such as 'Jeffs Chippy', 'Barking Mad', and 'Bacardi Sagna' in the second division, it does give the impression that it is very much a 'fun' League compared to other Sunday Leagues in London. However, Sandmere won 6-0 in the Second Round (against a weak AC Milano 'B' side), but then they received a Bye in the First Round and a walkover in the Third Round.
Poplar Boys play in the top division of the two-division London City Airport League and they look to be a better side than Sandmere going by their current position in the table where they have games in hand on the leaders. They had a walkover in the First Round and then two good Away wins in the Second & Third Rounds.
I am taking Poplar Boys to win this one.

Seven Acre & Sidcup 'A' v. Asianos
Seven Acre & Sidcup's 'A' Team are one of the top teams in the Premier (top) division of the four-division Kent Suburban League. They also play at Step 6 on Saturdays in the Kent Invicta League and it looks like they probably should have been put in the London Sunday Intermediate Cup instead of the Junior. They had an easy 7-0 win in the First Round, then a walkover in the Second Round and a 4-2 Away win in the Third Round to a decent FC Cortez side from the Premier Division of the Metropolitan Sunday League.
Asianos are an Asian community team who run several adult and Youth teams in East London, with their adult teams all playing in different Leagues with varying degrees of success. This is supposed to be their team from the London Communties League, but it looks as if that League has now folded, so maybe it's their Ford Sunday League team instead ? Although they are doing well in that League, they have had relatively easy games so far to reach the Fourth Round and I cannot see them beating Seven Acre & Sidcup here.

Danson Albion 'B' v. Inter Trac
Danson Albion 'B' are doing quite well in Division One (the third division down) of the Woolwich & Eltham Sunday Alliance, while they had a really good 4-1 win in the last round Away to Turkish Community Football Federation side Turk Ogaci, although Turk Ogaci are a struggling side in the bottom division of that League.
As The_Player has said on here, his team Inter Trac reached the Semi-Finals of this competition last season and they quite rightly fancy their chances. They are currently in mid-table of Division One of the Barnet Sunday League, but that is now a very strong League following it's merger with the North London S.L. and the Hendon S.L. during the summer.
Although it's a long journey for them to South-East London/Kent, I can't see Inter Trac slipping up here and I expect them to get through.

Middlesbrough Supporters v. Woodford Wanderers
Although the Supporters' League (APFSCIL) is not as strong as other Sunday Leagues in London, Middlesbrough are always going to be a threat with Marlon Beresford in goal for them and a number of other (lesser known) ex-pros in their ranks. They have had three good wins so far in the first three rounds, none more so than their 2-1 Away win against the highly-fancied Tristars & Deloitte in the last round.
Woodford Wanderers are currently struggling near the bottom of Division One (the second division down) of the Maccabi Sunday League, but they do have a lot of games in hand. They had a Bye in the First Round and a walkover in the Third Round, and although they had a good 4-2 Away win in the Second Round, I will be surprised if they do that again here.
I am taking Middlesbrough Supporters to win this one.
Interestingly though, on the Maccabi League website, they have Woodford Wanderers down as playing a League match on this date. I wonder if they (or even Middlesbrough Supporters) have withdrawn from the London Sunday Junior Cup ?!

Guzelyert v. Maronites
Here is a clash of Turkish Community League and Cypriot (KOPA) League 'titans'. Well maybe not quite compared to other teams in those Leagues, but this will undoubtedly be a good-standard match. Guzelyert are currently second in the second division of the TCFF, and although Maronites are currently bottom of the top division in the KOPA League and without a point so far this season, we know how strong that division is with the likes of Tripimeni and New Salamis in it, so I doubt whether Maronites are 'mugs'. Both teams have had good results to get this far, with Maronites winning 4-1 Away to Aberdeen Supporters in the Second Round. (Is that scottorae's team ?)
I think I will go for Guzelyert to win this one, but it could well be very close.

White Hart Lane v. Kenningwell United Reserves
White Hart Lane play in Division Three of the Barnet Sunday League where they have improved considerably as the season has gone on. They provided one of the shocks of the last round for me when they beat a very strong Enfield Royals side (from the Waltham Sunday League) 4-2.
Kenningwell United Reserves look a very good side though. Although they are only in the fifth division down of the Orpington & Bromley Sunday League, they look like winning that division and we know that League is probably the strongest Sunday League in London at the moment. They have won their three Sunday Junior Cup matches so far by scorelines of 8-0, 5-1 & 4-1, so they are probably going to take some stopping. As with all Reserve Teams though, it's possible they may be weakened by First Team call-ups, while the long journey to North London from south of the river might also be a factor. If White Hart Lane can beat Enfield Royals, then they can beat anyone in this competition. I am going for them to sneak a win here, but it could be a close one.

Burnt Oak Builders Merchants v. CFC Flamengo
As has already been said on this thread, Burnt Oak Builders Merchants clearly should be in one of the more senior Sunday Cups. Their Third Round match Away to Komi-Kebir was played eventually, and as expected, BOBM came through that without any problems.
CFC Flamengo could be capable of giving them a really close game though judging by their two results so far. They had a Bye in the First Round, then an easy 9-3 win Away to Dulwich Tandoori Cobras in the Second Round, but it was their Third Round win Away to Thames Borough that was really impressive. Thames Borough are the top team in the five-division strong Woolwich & Eltham Sunday League, but CFC Flamengo blew them away, winning 6-2. CFC Flamengo look as if they will win Division Two of the Essex Sunday Football Combination this season, and as that is the same division that spawned last season's London Sunday Junior Cup winners Lord Stanley, it is clearly a strong League and there is a possibility that Burnt Oak Builders Merchants could meet their match here.
I will still go for BOBM, but be prepared for a 'shock'.

Finally...
London Maccabi Lions 'B' v. Edmonton Rovers (My own team).
We are quietly confident, having got through three really tough matches so far against in-form opponents. Although we are second from bottom at the moment in Division One of the Waltham Sunday League, we are having close matches against top-quality sides and the new younger players we have brought in this season are now starting to gel.
London Maccabi Lions 'B' will be really tough opponents though. It looks like they will win Division One of the Maccabi Sunday League this season and possibly even 'overtake' their 'A' Team...who play in the F.A. National Sunday Cup ! Their 4-3 win against our fellow Waltham Sunday League colleagues Edmonton Blades in the last round has since proved to be an excellent result as the Blades are most certainly a very good up-and-coming side.
With LML 'B' not having played since before Christmas, we will have a big advantage if this game gets played (on their 3G pitch by the way) this Sunday as we have played twice since Christmas and are match fit. Unfortunately the weather is likely to damage our hopes there as snow cannot be swept off 3G pitches. so it will be back to square one in terms of preparation and fitness by the time the game is played. We are hoping to get through, but we know it is going to be extremely tough, despite the Maccabi League allegedly not being what it once was (according to others ! Wink )



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Marlon Beresford doesnt play for Middlesbrough now as he took up coaching roles for Barnet and Northern Ireland U21's at the beginning of last season. He only made 1 appearance last season and hasn't made a single appearance this season.


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Marlon Beresford doesnt play for Middlesbrough now as he took up coaching roles for Barnet and Northern Ireland U21's at the beginning of last season. He only made 1 appearance last season and hasn't made a single appearance this season.

Thanks for the update.

I dare say they have a useful replacement going by their results so far though.



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Any London Cup games survived the weather?


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Any London Cup games survived the weather?

Not surprisingly, all the Fourth Round games were called off yesterday (20th January) and re-scheduled for the 27th, apart from Seven Acre & Sidcup v. Asianos, which is due to be played on the 3rd February.



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Let's hope for better weather this weekend then, it's thawing out over West London so far, hopefully that'll be the last of the snow...

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