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dottirofhod
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Nov 13, 2019, 4:02 PM
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Must be right then, although Brandon fans are saying the same.
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windydcfc
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Nov 13, 2019, 4:03 PM
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footylover
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AFC Killingworth , Blyth Town and Alnwick all applying for promotion From Northern Alliance but will fall far behind Newcastle Blue Star .
Boldon, Horden, Leam Rangers and Richmond all applying from Wearside league along with Hebburn Res .
Boro Rangers and Redcar Town also applying . Could be curtains for Durham City who are practically nailed on for bottom Spot in the NL Nailed on for bottom spot? What are you basing this on, may I ask....as they aren't even currently bottom of their division, let alone nailed on to finish there.[/reply People involved with Durham are saying it that’s where .
The bottom 2 NL2 sides are liable for relegation. But there’s a possibility of 2, 1 or nil clubs relegated. On a personal basis, I’d like to several clubs promoted & relegate the bottom 2. Which are likely going to be Brandon & Durham. Both clubs have struggled on the pitch in the past few seasons & Durham off it. A period of rebuilding in the Wearside League and finding a ground back in the city would go a long way. As for the clubs applying, I had heard that Leam Rangers were considering applying and I’ve been awaiting confirmation. . With the new Step 4 league to fill this time around there should be plenty spaces, at least 1 from each feeder league maybe more . I take it the only 1 from each feeder league up scenario will be going out the window this coming season Grass Roots football is the only football worth watching
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genesimmons
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Nov 17, 2019, 7:08 PM
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I think the bottom 2 in the northern league last season avoided relegation as there was not enough teams comeing up to fill the void. Will be interesting to see if these clubs applying finish in the top 5 and get there facilties to scratch if the bottom 2 in the northern league get relegated. Durham sure deserve to go down, ground shared for a few seasons out of town now with little prospect of getting there own ground. Why they were booted out of new ferens park i dont know
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Sarumio
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Nov 18, 2019, 2:47 PM
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I think the bottom 2 in the northern league last season avoided relegation as there was not enough teams comeing up to fill the void. Will be interesting to see if these clubs applying finish in the top 5 and get there facilties to scratch if the bottom 2 in the northern league get relegated. Durham sure deserve to go down, ground shared for a few seasons out of town now with little prospect of getting there own ground. Why they were booted out of new ferens park i dont know
I repeat – at present, claiming Durham City deserve to go down is utterly ridiculous. They aren’t bottom, they aren’t far behind 3rd bottom (and so not yet entrenched in an unescapable relegation zone) and its only November.
The witch hunt against Durham City by certain members appears to be entirely based on the fact they ground share at present after losing New Ferens Park.
And yet in the same breath, in order for Durham City to be relegated next summer, multiple Step 7 ground sharers will have to be allowed up, some with even LESS chance of ever playing in their own ground! There are clubs at Steps 5 and 6 that have never EVER had their own grounds, some aren’t even trying to get one.
Durham may be alone in the NL as far as ground sharing goes, but that’s irrelevant. It’s absolutely rife in other parts of the country at Steps 4-6 and no one seems to be calling for mass relegations in those areas, or claiming clubs like Aylesbury United should be relegated 3 steps just because they don’t have their own ground.
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windydcfc
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Nov 19, 2019, 8:33 AM
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I think the bottom 2 in the northern league last season avoided relegation as there was not enough teams comeing up to fill the void. Will be interesting to see if these clubs applying finish in the top 5 and get there facilties to scratch if the bottom 2 in the northern league get relegated. Durham sure deserve to go down, ground shared for a few seasons out of town now with little prospect of getting there own ground. Why they were booted out of new ferens park i dont know I repeat – at present, claiming Durham City deserve to go down is utterly ridiculous. They aren’t bottom, they aren’t far behind 3rd bottom (and so not yet entrenched in an unescapable relegation zone) and its only November. The witch hunt against Durham City by certain members appears to be entirely based on the fact they ground share at present after losing New Ferens Park. And yet in the same breath, in order for Durham City to be relegated next summer, multiple Step 7 ground sharers will have to be allowed up, some with even LESS chance of ever playing in their own ground! There are clubs at Steps 5 and 6 that have never EVER had their own grounds, some aren’t even trying to get one. Durham may be alone in the NL as far as ground sharing goes, but that’s irrelevant. It’s absolutely rife in other parts of the country at Steps 4-6 and no one seems to be calling for mass relegations in those areas, or claiming clubs like Aylesbury United should be relegated 3 steps just because they don’t have their own ground.
Which clubs that are likely going to apply from the 3 feeder leagues in the northeast are groundsharing?
In the Northern Alliance, Newcastle BS, Blyth Town & AFC Killingworth all have their own grounds.
In the North Riding League, Redcar Town have their own ground & Boro Rangers are in the process of getting a new purpose built ground.
In the Wearside League, the only club likely to apply that groundshare is Hebburn Reserves.
This isn’t a witch hunt against Durham City. The club owner had a dispute with the landlords at New Ferens Park & ended up losing their leasehold. They had several groundshare’s & play miles out of Durham with very few people watching them. Since then, their fortunes have spiralled down & they’ve been bobbing along at the bottom end of the NL2. If the FALC can promote enough clubs in the region, that have their own facilities & are well run sustainable clubs. That allows the FA to relegate 1 or 2 perennial strugglers in the region, then I can’t see a problem.
Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9
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Terrierdave
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Nov 19, 2019, 10:00 AM
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Exactly, not forgetting clubs like Newcastle University that moved out of the city altogether to pursue Northern League ambitions by moving to Prudhoe Town's old ground! 11 miles from the Uni and in not even in the old Tyne & Wear area.
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footylover
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Nov 19, 2019, 2:38 PM
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Durham shouldn’t go down because they are ground sharing . Don’t think any club should considering there are loads of clubs doing it the length and breadth of the country. How Hebburn reserves can be classed as ground sharing is beyond me . They are part of the Hebburn set up and they play on their own ground . If the first team get promoted then they go up using their own ground .
Durham are not alone in the NL sharing grounds .The University team ground share and West Allotment are ground sharing along with Ponteland at druids park . Which when I paid my last visit there just over a year ago was an awful surface . I don’t think it has been Re-laid since it was built . App there’s rugby , American Football played there also . Probably 2 of the worst surfaces are Druids park and New Ferens park where Washington now also ground share.
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Sarumio
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Nov 19, 2019, 9:16 PM
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I think the bottom 2 in the northern league last season avoided relegation as there was not enough teams comeing up to fill the void. Will be interesting to see if these clubs applying finish in the top 5 and get there facilties to scratch if the bottom 2 in the northern league get relegated. Durham sure deserve to go down, ground shared for a few seasons out of town now with little prospect of getting there own ground. Why they were booted out of new ferens park i dont know I repeat – at present, claiming Durham City deserve to go down is utterly ridiculous. They aren’t bottom, they aren’t far behind 3rd bottom (and so not yet entrenched in an unescapable relegation zone) and its only November. The witch hunt against Durham City by certain members appears to be entirely based on the fact they ground share at present after losing New Ferens Park. And yet in the same breath, in order for Durham City to be relegated next summer, multiple Step 7 ground sharers will have to be allowed up, some with even LESS chance of ever playing in their own ground! There are clubs at Steps 5 and 6 that have never EVER had their own grounds, some aren’t even trying to get one. Durham may be alone in the NL as far as ground sharing goes, but that’s irrelevant. It’s absolutely rife in other parts of the country at Steps 4-6 and no one seems to be calling for mass relegations in those areas, or claiming clubs like Aylesbury United should be relegated 3 steps just because they don’t have their own ground.
Which clubs that are likely going to apply from the 3 feeder leagues in the northeast are groundsharing? In the Northern Alliance, Newcastle BS, Blyth Town & AFC Killingworth all have their own grounds. In the North Riding League, Redcar Town have their own ground & Boro Rangers are in the process of getting a new purpose built ground. In the Wearside League, the only club likely to apply that groundshare is Hebburn Reserves. This isn’t a witch hunt against Durham City. The club owner had a dispute with the landlords at New Ferens Park & ended up losing their leasehold. They had several groundshare’s & play miles out of Durham with very few people watching them. Since then, their fortunes have spiralled down & they’ve been bobbing along at the bottom end of the NL2. If the FALC can promote enough clubs in the region, that have their own facilities & are well run sustainable clubs. That allows the FA to relegate 1 or 2 perennial strugglers in the region, then I can’t see a problem.
What have the clubs in the northeast having their own grounds got to do with anything Windy?
Nobody is debating that. Relegation from Step 6 is pooled across the entire country as you well know. I was criticising 'geniesimmons' statement that Durham City 'for sure deserve to go down'...justifying that stance by raising the issue about their present ground share.
I merely fired back that this stance is unfair and unjustified and that even if Durham City do finish bottom, the only way they can be relegated is if groundsharers in other parts of the country are promoted from Step 7, completely nullifying geniesimmons' opinion that Durham City deserve to go down merely because they don't have their own ground.
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windydcfc
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Nov 19, 2019, 9:49 PM
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I think the bottom 2 in the northern league last season avoided relegation as there was not enough teams comeing up to fill the void. Will be interesting to see if these clubs applying finish in the top 5 and get there facilties to scratch if the bottom 2 in the northern league get relegated. Durham sure deserve to go down, ground shared for a few seasons out of town now with little prospect of getting there own ground. Why they were booted out of new ferens park i dont know I repeat – at present, claiming Durham City deserve to go down is utterly ridiculous. They aren’t bottom, they aren’t far behind 3rd bottom (and so not yet entrenched in an unescapable relegation zone) and its only November. The witch hunt against Durham City by certain members appears to be entirely based on the fact they ground share at present after losing New Ferens Park. And yet in the same breath, in order for Durham City to be relegated next summer, multiple Step 7 ground sharers will have to be allowed up, some with even LESS chance of ever playing in their own ground! There are clubs at Steps 5 and 6 that have never EVER had their own grounds, some aren’t even trying to get one. Durham may be alone in the NL as far as ground sharing goes, but that’s irrelevant. It’s absolutely rife in other parts of the country at Steps 4-6 and no one seems to be calling for mass relegations in those areas, or claiming clubs like Aylesbury United should be relegated 3 steps just because they don’t have their own ground.
Which clubs that are likely going to apply from the 3 feeder leagues in the northeast are groundsharing? In the Northern Alliance, Newcastle BS, Blyth Town & AFC Killingworth all have their own grounds. In the North Riding League, Redcar Town have their own ground & Boro Rangers are in the process of getting a new purpose built ground. In the Wearside League, the only club likely to apply that groundshare is Hebburn Reserves. This isn’t a witch hunt against Durham City. The club owner had a dispute with the landlords at New Ferens Park & ended up losing their leasehold. They had several groundshare’s & play miles out of Durham with very few people watching them. Since then, their fortunes have spiralled down & they’ve been bobbing along at the bottom end of the NL2. If the FALC can promote enough clubs in the region, that have their own facilities & are well run sustainable clubs. That allows the FA to relegate 1 or 2 perennial strugglers in the region, then I can’t see a problem. What have the clubs in the northeast having their own grounds got to do with anything Windy? Nobody is debating that. Relegation from Step 6 is pooled across the entire country as you well know. I was criticising 'geniesimmons' statement that Durham City 'for sure deserve to go down'...justifying that stance by raising the issue about their present ground share. I merely fired back that this stance is unfair and unjustified and that even if Durham City do finish bottom, the only way they can be relegated is if groundsharers in other parts of the country are promoted from Step 7, completely nullifying geniesimmons' opinion that Durham City deserve to go down merely because they don't have their own ground.
The geographic issues around the northeast may or may not have an issue as to whether any clubs are relegated or more than one club is promoted from step 7. This may determine whether Durham are relegated or not & unfortunately what happens in the rest of the country will have little or no effect.
Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9
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Sarumio
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Nov 20, 2019, 10:15 AM
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I think the bottom 2 in the northern league last season avoided relegation as there was not enough teams comeing up to fill the void. Will be interesting to see if these clubs applying finish in the top 5 and get there facilties to scratch if the bottom 2 in the northern league get relegated. Durham sure deserve to go down, ground shared for a few seasons out of town now with little prospect of getting there own ground. Why they were booted out of new ferens park i dont know I repeat – at present, claiming Durham City deserve to go down is utterly ridiculous. They aren’t bottom, they aren’t far behind 3rd bottom (and so not yet entrenched in an unescapable relegation zone) and its only November. The witch hunt against Durham City by certain members appears to be entirely based on the fact they ground share at present after losing New Ferens Park. And yet in the same breath, in order for Durham City to be relegated next summer, multiple Step 7 ground sharers will have to be allowed up, some with even LESS chance of ever playing in their own ground! There are clubs at Steps 5 and 6 that have never EVER had their own grounds, some aren’t even trying to get one. Durham may be alone in the NL as far as ground sharing goes, but that’s irrelevant. It’s absolutely rife in other parts of the country at Steps 4-6 and no one seems to be calling for mass relegations in those areas, or claiming clubs like Aylesbury United should be relegated 3 steps just because they don’t have their own ground.
Which clubs that are likely going to apply from the 3 feeder leagues in the northeast are groundsharing? In the Northern Alliance, Newcastle BS, Blyth Town & AFC Killingworth all have their own grounds. In the North Riding League, Redcar Town have their own ground & Boro Rangers are in the process of getting a new purpose built ground. In the Wearside League, the only club likely to apply that groundshare is Hebburn Reserves. This isn’t a witch hunt against Durham City. The club owner had a dispute with the landlords at New Ferens Park & ended up losing their leasehold. They had several groundshare’s & play miles out of Durham with very few people watching them. Since then, their fortunes have spiralled down & they’ve been bobbing along at the bottom end of the NL2. If the FALC can promote enough clubs in the region, that have their own facilities & are well run sustainable clubs. That allows the FA to relegate 1 or 2 perennial strugglers in the region, then I can’t see a problem. What have the clubs in the northeast having their own grounds got to do with anything Windy? Nobody is debating that. Relegation from Step 6 is pooled across the entire country as you well know. I was criticising 'geniesimmons' statement that Durham City 'for sure deserve to go down'...justifying that stance by raising the issue about their present ground share. I merely fired back that this stance is unfair and unjustified and that even if Durham City do finish bottom, the only way they can be relegated is if groundsharers in other parts of the country are promoted from Step 7, completely nullifying geniesimmons' opinion that Durham City deserve to go down merely because they don't have their own ground.
The geographic issues around the northeast may or may not have an issue as to whether any clubs are relegated or more than one club is promoted from step 7. This may determine whether Durham are relegated or not & unfortunately what happens in the rest of the country will have little or no effect.
Windy, you appear to be re-writing the rules as currently set out. Last time I checked, clubs finishing bottom of Step 6 divisions will be in line for any relegations in the first instance and this will be based on PPG. If all bottom placed clubs are relegated and there are still eligible applicants then 2nd bottom clubs will be relegated, once again in order of lowest PPG.
Of course the FA do as they please, as we all know. But ignoring what we know and basing things SOLELY on what the rules currently dictate, Durham’s geographical location, the league they currently play in and the number of clubs applying (and being accepted) for promotion in Durham’s area surely has absolutely no bearing on whether Durham (or whoever finishes bottom of the Northern League) are actually relegated. They will simply be placed in a “National Relegatee Candidate League Table of Bottom Placed Clubs” and relegated in order of lowest PPG.
Unless I am misinterpreting them.
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windydcfc
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I think the bottom 2 in the northern league last season avoided relegation as there was not enough teams comeing up to fill the void. Will be interesting to see if these clubs applying finish in the top 5 and get there facilties to scratch if the bottom 2 in the northern league get relegated. Durham sure deserve to go down, ground shared for a few seasons out of town now with little prospect of getting there own ground. Why they were booted out of new ferens park i dont know I repeat – at present, claiming Durham City deserve to go down is utterly ridiculous. They aren’t bottom, they aren’t far behind 3rd bottom (and so not yet entrenched in an unescapable relegation zone) and its only November. The witch hunt against Durham City by certain members appears to be entirely based on the fact they ground share at present after losing New Ferens Park. And yet in the same breath, in order for Durham City to be relegated next summer, multiple Step 7 ground sharers will have to be allowed up, some with even LESS chance of ever playing in their own ground! There are clubs at Steps 5 and 6 that have never EVER had their own grounds, some aren’t even trying to get one. Durham may be alone in the NL as far as ground sharing goes, but that’s irrelevant. It’s absolutely rife in other parts of the country at Steps 4-6 and no one seems to be calling for mass relegations in those areas, or claiming clubs like Aylesbury United should be relegated 3 steps just because they don’t have their own ground.
Which clubs that are likely going to apply from the 3 feeder leagues in the northeast are groundsharing? In the Northern Alliance, Newcastle BS, Blyth Town & AFC Killingworth all have their own grounds. In the North Riding League, Redcar Town have their own ground & Boro Rangers are in the process of getting a new purpose built ground. In the Wearside League, the only club likely to apply that groundshare is Hebburn Reserves. This isn’t a witch hunt against Durham City. The club owner had a dispute with the landlords at New Ferens Park & ended up losing their leasehold. They had several groundshare’s & play miles out of Durham with very few people watching them. Since then, their fortunes have spiralled down & they’ve been bobbing along at the bottom end of the NL2. If the FALC can promote enough clubs in the region, that have their own facilities & are well run sustainable clubs. That allows the FA to relegate 1 or 2 perennial strugglers in the region, then I can’t see a problem. What have the clubs in the northeast having their own grounds got to do with anything Windy? Nobody is debating that. Relegation from Step 6 is pooled across the entire country as you well know. I was criticising 'geniesimmons' statement that Durham City 'for sure deserve to go down'...justifying that stance by raising the issue about their present ground share. I merely fired back that this stance is unfair and unjustified and that even if Durham City do finish bottom, the only way they can be relegated is if groundsharers in other parts of the country are promoted from Step 7, completely nullifying geniesimmons' opinion that Durham City deserve to go down merely because they don't have their own ground.
The geographic issues around the northeast may or may not have an issue as to whether any clubs are relegated or more than one club is promoted from step 7. This may determine whether Durham are relegated or not & unfortunately what happens in the rest of the country will have little or no effect. Windy, you appear to be re-writing the rules as currently set out. Last time I checked, clubs finishing bottom of Step 6 divisions will be in line for any relegations in the first instance and this will be based on PPG. If all bottom placed clubs are relegated and there are still eligible applicants then 2nd bottom clubs will be relegated, once again in order of lowest PPG. Of course the FA do as they please, as we all know. But ignoring what we know and basing things SOLELY on what the rules currently dictate, Durham’s geographical location, the league they currently play in and the number of clubs applying (and being accepted) for promotion in Durham’s area surely has absolutely no bearing on whether Durham (or whoever finishes bottom of the Northern League) are actually relegated. They will simply be placed in a “National Relegatee Candidate League Table of Bottom Placed Clubs” and relegated in order of lowest PPG. Unless I am misinterpreting them.
You are absolutely correct & the rules are as you say.
I just think the FALC will do exactly the same as they did last season. I look at certain league footprints & the area between the SWPLE & WN1 is a classic example. If the team in the SWPLE comes bottom of the ppg across step 6. Will they relegate them, if it means having to laterally transfer a Somerset team from the WN1? Unlikely!
The FALC makes decisions that suits best & promoting Northallerton last season is an example of this. Or relegating 2 teams from the SSML1 & zero from others last season.
Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9
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