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007Dale
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I suspect weíll end up with a 3 month delay which will give us time to have a General Election.

The polls (although unreliable) seem to indicate consistent movement towards Boris Johnson, which has accelerated since his Ďdealí with the EU.

The latest poll (YouGov/Times) has Tories on 37%, Labour 22%, LibDem 19%, Brexit 11%, Green 7%.

This would translate into:
Tories 408 seats (majority 166)
Labour 135 seats
SNP 53 seats
Lib Demís 31 seats

Itís getting to the point where Labour NEED Brexit sorted before a General Election, otherwise their muddled position on Brexit will become their Achilles Heel.

The Tories and Lib Demís are happy to have a GE prior to Brexit being sorted as they have clear positions they can exploit.


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Relying on Opinion Polls for a GE win?

Maybe Johnson should ask Theresa May how well that works out.

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This is funny! Leaver from Barnsley stating it's all about immigration but doesn't mind EU people coming over here.

And when has Syria and Iraq been in the EU?

https://twitter.com/andymacmichael/status/941729601952407553?s=19



I wonder where the 39 poor souls found dead in a lorry in Essex originated from? Syria and Iraq by any chance?


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Ok Isaac in light of what's happened this morning I have deleted my post.
It's upto you if you want to do the same!



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !


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This is funny! Leaver from Barnsley stating it's all about immigration but doesn't mind EU people coming over here.

And when has Syria and Iraq been in the EU?

https://twitter.com/andymacmichael/status/941729601952407553?s=19



I wonder where the 39 poor souls found dead in a lorry in Essex originated from? Syria and Iraq by any chance?



TowLawTom has ( deliberately? disingenuously?) misinterpreted Barnsley Man's comments.

This is typical of the intellectual bullying and brow beating we have seen towards working class Leave voters over the past 3 years. This is a classic 'Field' interview where you ambush somebody going about their daily business and throw loaded questions at them that they are unprepared for.

The worst culprit of this form of disenfranchisement is probably James O'Brien who encourages callers onto his radio show and then vicimises them with his own brand of bullying using discredited police interrogation techniques such as :

a) Leading or loaded questions
b) minimisation or maximisation of an issue ( immigration for example)
c) Cognitive techniques
d) Using Lies ( Project Fear)

There are many others that interviewer use and J O'B compounds this by his use of intellectual brow beating.


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Ok Isaac in light of what's happened this morning I have deleted my post.
It's upto you if you want to do the same!



Barnsley Man was quite clearly NOT saying the muslim immigrants he wants to prevent are coming FROM the EU but was intimating that they come THROUGH the EU to the UK.

Meaning that because they travel across many, many EU borders he has concluded that there is EU collusion to ship Economic African Afghani and Syrian migrants straight in to the UK.

He believes LEAVING the EU will prevent that.

You deliberately , imo, misrepresented him.

My question to you is........WHY would you do that ?


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This is typical of the intellectual bullying and brow beating we have seen towards working class Leave voters over the past 3 years. This is a classic 'Field' interview where you ambush somebody going about their daily business and throw loaded questions at them that they are unprepared for.

The worst culprit of this form of disenfranchisement is probably James O'Brien who encourages callers onto his radio show and then vicimises them with his own brand of bullying using discredited police interrogation techniques such as :

a) Leading or loaded questions
b) minimisation or maximisation of an issue ( immigration for example)
c) Cognitive techniques
d) Using Lies ( Project Fear)


O'Brien merely highlights the shear stupidity and empty-headedness of his pro-Brexit callers.


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Itís getting to the point where Labour NEED Brexit sorted before a General Election, otherwise their muddled position on Brexit will become their Achilles Heel.

The Tories and Lib Demís are happy to have a GE prior to Brexit being sorted as they have clear positions they can exploit.


And the SNP ... of course.

It's amusing listening to Johnson pleading to be allowed to have a GE. Labour aren't playing along and he is miffed.


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This is typical of the intellectual bullying and brow beating we have seen towards working class Leave voters over the past 3 years. This is a classic 'Field' interview where you ambush somebody going about their daily business and throw loaded questions at them that they are unprepared for.

The worst culprit of this form of disenfranchisement is probably James O'Brien who encourages callers onto his radio show and then vicimises them with his own brand of bullying using discredited police interrogation techniques such as :

a) Leading or loaded questions
b) minimisation or maximisation of an issue ( immigration for example)
c) Cognitive techniques
d) Using Lies ( Project Fear)


O'Brien merely highlights the shear stupidity and empty-headedness of his pro-Brexit callers.


It's suspected that many of the calls to the James O'brien show are fake but some people are easily duped. Personally I never listen to him and it's a bit of a mystery as to why so many Brexiteers allegedly do.


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Ok Isaac in light of what's happened this morning I have deleted my post.
It's upto you if you want to do the same!


There has been other replies since I last logged in so not much point in removing it now and I'm not sure there is any reason to do so anyway?

Sadly something like this was almost inevitable, hopefully the police can get the bottom of the people trafficking racket that has been going on for years.


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Itís getting to the point where Labour NEED Brexit sorted before a General Election, otherwise their muddled position on Brexit will become their Achilles Heel.

The Tories and Lib Demís are happy to have a GE prior to Brexit being sorted as they have clear positions they can exploit.


And the SNP ... of course.

It's amusing listening to Johnson pleading to be allowed to have a GE. Labour aren't playing along and he is miffed.


Yep, heís frustrated, along with the rest of the country. Itís a very odd situation to be in;
1. The government doesnít command the support of the Commons and consequently canít do anything.
2. The opposition donít want a General Election because they know theyíll lose.

David Cameron has an awful lot to answer for.


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It's suspected that many of the calls to the James O'brien show are fake


By whom?


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It's suspected that many of the calls to the James O'brien show are fake


By whom?


Quite a few people on the LBC Facebook page.


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Yep, heís frustrated, along with the rest of the country. Itís a very odd situation to be in;
1. The government doesnít command the support of the Commons and consequently canít do anything.
2. The opposition donít want a General Election because they know theyíll lose.


Then the government needs to win the support of the Commons just as the minority SNP government does at Holyrood.

Idiotic, catastrophic leadership by Johnson and his puppetmaster isn't the way.


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By whom?


Quite a few people on the LBC Facebook page.


LOL!


(This post was edited by PaulC on Oct 24, 2019, 9:50 AM)


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Barnsley Man was quite clearly NOT saying the muslim immigrants he wants to prevent are coming FROM the EU but was intimating that they come THROUGH the EU to the UK.

Meaning that because they travel across many, many EU borders he has concluded that there is EU collusion to ship Economic African Afghani and Syrian migrants straight in to the UK.


22 of the 28 EU states are members of the Schengen Area, with no passport or other border checks, 4 EFTA states are also members of the Schengen area.

Travelling across these borders is therefore just as simple as crossing the border from the Republic of Ireland to Ulster.

Once in the Schengen area refugees can go were they want to go. Stopping them coming into the Schengen Area has been the problem.

Erdogan of Turkey recently threatened to ship 3.6 million Syrian refugees on into the EU, if Greece were faced with such a catastrophic influx with consequent massive economic and social disruption they wouldn't prevent them moving on to other countries, they'd expect other richer european countries to share the influx.

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Barnsley Man was quite clearly NOT saying the muslim immigrants he wants to prevent are coming FROM the EU but was intimating that they come THROUGH the EU to the UK.

Meaning that because they travel across many, many EU borders he has concluded that there is EU collusion to ship Economic African Afghani and Syrian migrants straight in to the UK.

He believes LEAVING the EU will prevent that.


How?

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2. The opposition donít want a General Election because they know theyíll lose.


At this juncture they cannot possibly 'know' - but it would be accurate to say that based on opinion polls the Labour Party could well believe that there was a strong chance that they would lose.

Interestingly on Saturday Michael Heseltine dismantled all but one government objection to holding a confirmatory referendum pitting the PM's deal versus Remain. Which left the obvious. The one true reason the government don't want a confirmatory referendum is that they think they will lose it.


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Johnson presumably prefers a GE to another Referendum because he might well lose a Referendum but in a GE there's little likelihood of Labour or Liberal Democrats standing down to leave just one Remain candidate in constituencies.

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Johnson presumably prefers a GE to another Referendum because he might well lose a Referendum but in a GE there's little likelihood of Labour or Liberal Democrats standing down to leave just one Remain candidate in constituencies.

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It is currently Labour policy to have a General Election before a referendum.

The SNP want a General Election.

The Tories want a General Election.

Why are we not having a General Election?


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By whom?


Quite a few people on the LBC Facebook page.


LOL!


I find it LOL that anybody listens to what was aptly described as a 'radio version of the Jeremy Kyle show' but it's a free country.


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Johnson presumably prefers a GE to another Referendum because he might well lose a Referendum but in a GE there's little likelihood of Labour or Liberal Democrats standing down to leave just one Remain candidate in constituencies.

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There is absolutely no logical reason for another referendum, if the result of the first one isn't accepted why would the vote of the second one be and so on and so on?


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Johnson thinks he'll do better with a GE than a Referendum, why on earth should his opponents help him out?
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Johnson presumably prefers a GE to another Referendum because he might well lose a Referendum but in a GE there's little likelihood of Labour or Liberal Democrats standing down to leave just one Remain candidate in constituencies.

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It is currently Labour policy to have a General Election before a referendum.

The SNP want a General Election.

The Tories want a General Election.

Why are we not having a General Election?


Before the Fixed Term Parliaments Act Prime Ministers called General Elections as and when they thought they stood best chance of winning.

Johnson would like to have this political advantage and call a GE now when he thinks he has best chance of winning, but the Fixed Term Act prevents him,

Oddly enough, the opposition parties want a GE when they stand best chance of winning. Given the number of unforced errors Johnson & Cummings have made so far, their opponents are happy to delay the GE and let them make more.

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