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Casual-Corinth
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Go Corinthian Go



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Chelsea played more like Corithan Casuals!


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Was Mickey Mouse there to hand over his own trophy??? This competition makes the even Johnstone's Paint Trophy looking worthwhile & relevant!



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remember when manchester united played in it in 2000, they dropped out of fa cup,,,,,, seems chelsea are coping ok.....



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Was Mickey Mouse there to hand over his own trophy??? This competition makes the even Johnstone's Paint Trophy looking worthwhile & relevant!


It's an odd world.

I suggest that the World Club Championship is the most difficult club competition in the world to qualify for. Six of the seven participants are chosen on sporting merit by winning their continental titles. Excluding the hosts would be a good change, but other than that it's a decent "festival" to end the calendar year. I like the emphasis on sporting integrity.

SC Corinthians Paulista have earned the right to be called World club champions for the next 12 months.


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Was Mickey Mouse there to hand over his own trophy??? This competition makes the even Johnstone's Paint Trophy looking worthwhile & relevant!

Agree,is this the most pointless competition in football?how many chelsea fans are numb with shock at this defeat?but no doubt its not done the clubs coffers any harm which of course what its all about.


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Agree,is this the most pointless competition in football?

Isn't the Premier League the most pointless competition in football in that 90% of the participants have no chance or little intention of winning it, yet they throw 200% of their (already huge) income at it just to stay there another season so that yet more money can be wasted. An incredible exercise in mass delusion......


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Not to sure about the 'little intention of winning it'but know where your coming from,difference being is the world watches the premie league(im not defending it,i detest it and all it stands for)but it has some sort of meaning unlike the farce in Japan today.


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At Corinthian-Casual;s we are so proud of the world Champions who chose to play in our name.

Chelsea may be our close neighbours but our hearts bleed Corinthian blood.

Congratulations to our brothers from Brasil. Vai Corinthians!!!



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Not to sure about the 'little intention of winning it'but know where your coming from,difference being is the world watches the premie league(im not defending it,i detest it and all it stands for)but it has some sort of meaning unlike the farce in Japan today.

How is it a farce? The champions of the host country being involved aside, it has sporting integrity not known in international club football in Europe in that continental champions only can play. Chelsea did their best to win it and, no matter how matter people say they didn't care about it, they didn't lose because it wasn't important, they lost in an even contest between their best team and that of Corinthians.

There are certainly ways the competition could be improved although, beyond who hosts it, they are very marginal. I'd like to see the tournament hosting rotate around the continents but then that's never been achieved in World Cup hosting thus far. Other than that, there is nothing more the organisers can do to interest Europe without compromising the integrity of the competition which, to my mind, would defeat the object.


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Agree,is this the most pointless competition in football?

Isn't the Premier League the most pointless competition in football in that 90% of the participants have no chance or little intention of winning it, yet they throw 200% of their (already huge) income at it just to stay there another season so that yet more money can be wasted. An incredible exercise in mass delusion......

I know you don't like the English, but really - you can't find any less pointless competitions???


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I know you don't like the English, but really - you can't find any less pointless competitions???



Ah - you think the Premier League is English? About 25% perhaps, and that may be why the domestic cups are treated with disdain. When the top league WAS English, or more accurately mainly consisting of players from the British Isles (including our lot) then it was a proper competition that any participant stood a chance of doing well in.
And as for your pejorative statement, my wife and kids are English and this country has been home and good to me for many years, so you'll never hear me knock the English. Fools and hypocrites of all denominations are fair game though.


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It doesn't help the competition's credibility that the champions of New Zealand are practically guaranteed a place - especially when we remember that New Zealand's only professional club play in the Australian League and so are ineligible. Neither does it help that the next two tournaments are to be held in Morocco, which is some way from being a free country.

No club from outside Europe and South America is ever going to win it, so why not just go back to the old style World Club Championship. Play it in Japan, play it in California, play it in Dubai if you really must - but that one match would be easier to market than a tournament featuring at least one club that wouldn't win the Conference.


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On that basis there's not much point in allowing countries outside Europe and South America into the World Cup but there is more to it than who is going to win it. And even if the representatives of the OFC (which also lacks its strongest country - Australia - since it moved back to the AFC) are god awful, it's more worth while than having a one off match. Using that format to decide the World Club Champion is aking to baseball crowning the World Series winner the 'World Champion'. It's unlikely anyone outside MLB is ever going to be able to beat that team (or any others) but it's still not descriptive.


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Just two seasons ago (2010) the competition took place without a New Zealand side, the OFC being represented by Hekari United (Papua New Guinea), while the winners Internazionale (Italy, UEFA) won 3-0 against TP Mazembe Englebert (DR Congo, CAF) in the final.
The semi-finals saw TP Mazembe beat Internacional (Brazil, Comnebol) and Internazionale beat Seognam Ilhwa (S Korea, AFC)
The "quarter-finals" were TP Mazembe 1-0 Pachuca (Mexico, Concacaf), and Al Wahda (UAE, Hosts) lose to Seognam 1-4
Hekari lost to Al Wahda in a preliminary play off.



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The current form of the World Club Championships have run for 8 years,
European clubs have made the finals every season,
Three English Clubs, Liverpool (runners up 2005), Chelsea (runners up 2012) and Manchester United (winners 2008)
Two Italian Clubs, Milan (winners 2007) and Inter (winners 2010)
One Spanish Club, Barcelona (winners 2009, 2011, runners up 2006)

For South America, Brazilians have been to the fore - Sao Paulo (winners 2005), Internacional (winners 2006, 3rd place 2010), santos (runners up 2011) and Corinthians (winners 2012)
Two Argentinian clubs, Boca Juniors (runners up 2007) and Estudiantes (runners up 2009)
One from Ecuador, LDU Quito (runners up 2008)

From Asia, the representatives as Champions have been the South Koreans, Jeonbuk (2006), Pohang (2009), Seognam (2010) and Ulsan (2012), the Japanese Urawa Red Diamonds (2007), and Gamba Osaka (2008), Al-Ittihad (Saudi Arabia, 2005) and Al Sadd (Qatar, 2011). Since 2007, a second Asia club has been in the competition - this is as host, but if the AFC Champion is from the host nation, then it goes to the AFC Runner-Up. The representatives have been Sepahan (AFC RU, Iran, 2007). Adelaide (AFC RU, Australia, 2008), Al Ahli (Host, UAE, 2009), Al Wahda (Host, UAE, 2010), Kashiwa (Host, Japan, 2011) and Hiroshima (Host, Japan, 2012)

Al-AHly (Egypt) have been African respresentatives on four occasions, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2012, TP Mazembe (DR Congo) were at the two UAE hosted tournaments (2009/10), while Tunisias Etoile Sahel (2007) and Esperance (2011) make up the balance. Sydney were the first Oceania entrants, but after that the Australians entered as Asians. Hekari (Papua New Guinea, 2010) blocked the run of New Zealanders, Auckland (2006, 2009, 2011, 2012) and Waitakere (2007, 2008).

The first Concacaf entrants were Deportiva saprissa (Costa Rica), but since then it has been a Mexican preserve in Club America (2006), Pachuca (2007, 2008, 2010), Atlante (2009) and Monterrey (2011, 2012).

if I have my counting correct, Concacaf teams have a 4-3 match lead in games against both Asians and Africans, and a 1-0 lead over Oceania.
The Asians are 5-1 up on Africa, 6-1 on Oceania, but Africa is actually 2-1 down to Oceania

Europe has a dominance, four games to three over South America, all seven games in finals, European teams have beaten four Asian and Four Concacaf teams in the semi-finals, plus an African team in the 2010 final.
The South Americans have beaten Asian teams on four occasions, three semi-finals and the 2010 third place game, they have a 3-1 dominance over Africans, all in semi-finals, and 1-0 over Concacaf. No Oceania team has reached the semi-final. The 3/4th play off in 2011 was all Asian.



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Vai Corinthians Paulista Worlld Club Champions.



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Had an enjoyable week in Japan for this where I saw 6 games in this competition and 2 games in the Emperor's Cup. Will write up a report in the next few days.


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Check out the excellent leohoenig post a few up for a summary of events in the new format prior to this year - noticing how poor Africa's record has been, 2010 apart.

Until this year that is. The competition currently taking place in Morocco has for the first time in current format seen a club win three matches to reach the final. Raja Casablanca, who didn't even play in Africa's 2013 Champions League, are 90 unlikely minutes away from being crowned club champions of the world. The champions of Oceania, North & Central America and South America have all been swept away by Morocco's champions. This season Raja are just below halfway in the Moroccan top flight coming in to these finals on the back of two 1-0 away defeats at Hassania Agadir and Difaâ El Jadida. Opponents Bayern München have won 70 of their 83 competitive matches since their penalty shoot-out heartache against Chelsea in their own stadium, and lost just five. Defeats at BATE Borisov and at home to Bayer Leverkusen early last season may have raised questions but they have been well and truly answered, Arsenal and Manchester City caused a tremor but no damage, and Borussia Dortmund's Super Cup win came nowhere close to compensating a May night at Wembley.

Bayern are unbackable, Raja have surpassed expectations. The smart money says Bayern will score half a dozen but who knows, once upon a time Sunderland beat Leeds United at Wembley and Partick Thistle wrapped up a game at Hampden by scoring four first half goals against Celtic.


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Bringing back an old thread, the current form if the World Club Championship will remain for two more years, and be played in Qatar in both 2019 and 2021

FIFA's much vaunted 24 team competition will start in 2021, (and then every four years after rather than annually). It is expected that they will announce China as the 2021 hosts later this week.


Originally, FIFA wanted 12 European clubs, but it now appears the allocation will be Europe 8, South America 6, Asia, Africa and CONCACAF three each and Oceania 1.

How the clubs are allocated remains to be seen, but suggestions are that all European Champions League and Europa League winners will be entered, so that two Madrid teams, Atletico and Real, and two English, Liverpool and Chelsea - have already qualified.



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As expect, China will host the 2021 edition. There is one change to the allocation from my suggestion. As hosts, China will have a club in the mix and they will play off against the Oceania club before the 24 team contest starts.

The European Clubs Association (ECA) have not commented recently on their plans to boycott it. FIFA will need to offer enough money to overcome objections

While I have not seen any official announcements, an AP report seems quite confident on how many of the allocations will be made

Europe: Winners of Champions League and Europa League 2018-21, but there could be a limit on number of clubs per country. I would expect some effort would go into making sure Italy and Germany have representation

South America: Winners of both Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana from 2019 and 2020, plus two others to be decided.

CONCACAF: Both finalists from the 2021 Champions League, plus one to be defined with the expectation that they avoid it being three Mexican teams.

Africa: 2021 Champions League finalists, plus a play-off between losing semi-finalists, (although there is a maximum of two clubs per country)

Asia: 2019 and 2020 Champions League finalists (Urawa play Al-Hilal in this season's final). A play off between the two losing finalists.



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As expect, China will host the 2021 edition. There is one change to the allocation from my suggestion. As hosts, China will have a club in the mix and they will play off against the Oceania club before the 24 team contest starts.

The European Clubs Association (ECA) have not commented recently on their plans to boycott it. FIFA will need to offer enough money to overcome objections

While I have not seen any official announcements, an AP report seems quite confident on how many of the allocations will be made

Europe: Winners of Champions League and Europa League 2018-21, but there could be a limit on number of clubs per country. I would expect some effort would go into making sure Italy and Germany have representation

South America: Winners of both Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana from 2019 and 2020, plus two others to be decided.

CONCACAF: Both finalists from the 2021 Champions League, plus one to be defined with the expectation that they avoid it being three Mexican teams.

Africa: 2021 Champions League finalists, plus a play-off between losing semi-finalists, (although there is a maximum of two clubs per country)

Asia: 2019 and 2020 Champions League finalists (Urawa play Al-Hilal in this season's final). A play off between the two losing finalists.


I think that CONCACAF will include at least 1 team from MLS, because of the TV voewrs in the US and sponsorship from US companies.



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I am sure there is a desire to include teams from Italy, Germany and the USA, but CONCACAF need to consider how they work it competitively, so as someone such as Deportivo Saprissa does not sneak ahead of the USA teams. I expect UEFA to announce a maximum of three clubs per country to make sure there is space.



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