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GRIFFON
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Pinxton are probably Clay Cross’s biggest promotion rivals and are equally ambitious.

As long as they don't wire the gate hut to the floodlights!Cool




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Pinxton are probably Clay Cross’s biggest promotion rivals and are equally ambitious.

The day I read about or hear anything from a club official saying anything else other than being ambitious is the day I will take notice. Good luck to all of them but most have heard this talk time and again and it means nothing.


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Pinxton are probably Clay Cross’s biggest promotion rivals and are equally ambitious.

The day I read about or hear anything from a club official saying anything else other than being ambitious is the day I will take notice. Good luck to all of them but most have heard this talk time and again and it means nothing.



Pinxton have applied for promotion for the past few seasons. They were applying for promotion when Lee Cook from this forum was their manager(I think he’s a Teversal now). They’ve always just missed out to slightly stronger clubs. Pretty much the same story as Clay Cross(minus Cooky). So their ambitions are exactly the same as the last few seasons. Maybe the FA will promote them both this season and good luck to them both.



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Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


(This post was edited by windydcfc on Sep 16, 2019, 9:19 PM)


Reborn Yellow
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Sherwood Coll Reserves, have started well and obviously have a ground good enough for Step 6. I'd bet a fair bit that their first team will be at Step 5 next season so will be a threat to Clay Cross and Pinxton.


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Sherwood Coll Reserves, have started well and obviously have a ground good enough for Step 6. I'd bet a fair bit that their first team will be at Step 5 next season so will be a threat to Clay Cross and Pinxton.


But doesn't there need to be a 2 step gap? Therefore Sherwood Colliery Reserves cannot go up to Step 6 until the first team go up to Step 4?


Reborn Yellow
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I thought it was okay at steps 5 and 6, but I can't remember where I read that.


Sarumio
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I thought it was okay at steps 5 and 6, but I can't remember where I read that.


No it isn't. It was widely reported last year that Hebburn Town Reserves could only move up to Step 5 if the first team won promotion to Step 4. The first team didn't and so Hebburn Ressies stayed in the Wearside League, despite winnin the league and applying for promotion. Runners up Sunderland West End too the promotion place instead.

So pretty safe to say Sherwood Colliery Reserves are no threat this season.


Reborn Yellow
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Thanks I've found the rules now. I just misread/misunderstood/misremembered the rules.


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I thought it was okay at steps 5 and 6, but I can't remember where I read that.


No it isn't. It was widely reported last year that Hebburn Town Reserves could only move up to Step 5 if the first team won promotion to Step 4. The first team didn't and so Hebburn Ressies stayed in the Wearside League, despite winnin the league and applying for promotion. Runners up Sunderland West End too the promotion place instead.

hebburn town res are at step 7 and can only move up to step 6 if hebburn first team are promoted to step 4.


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Im also sure a reserve side cant go higher than step 6 regardless of what level there 1st team are at. Personally i totally agree, imagine reserve teams at the top end of non league



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Chris M
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Sherwood Coll Reserves, have started well and obviously have a ground good enough for Step 6. I'd bet a fair bit that their first team will be at Step 5 next season so will be a threat to Clay Cross and Pinxton.


But doesn't there need to be a 2 step gap? Therefore Sherwood Colliery Reserves cannot go up to Step 6 until the first team go up to Step 4?



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There must be a minimum of two Steps between a first and
reserve team. This does not apply at Steps 6 & 7.


The only issue is does this refer to reserve teams at either of steps 6 and 7 not being subject to the restriction, or specifically to the case of step 6 clubs with reserve teams below.


(This post was edited by Chris M on Sep 18, 2019, 12:52 AM)


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If you play at step 6 your reserves can play at step 7.
If you play at step 7 there are no NLS rules about where your reserves play as they will not be part of the NLS.

They may be cases now or in the past where a club may play at step 7 but are close to the border with another step 7 league and want their reserves to play in that.
Not sure if that would be allowed.
It probably would but what happens if the reserve side in theory wins promotion to the other leagues top division at step 7. Giving the club two sides at step 7.


(This post was edited by Unicorn on Sep 18, 2019, 9:03 AM)


Sarumio
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I thought it was okay at steps 5 and 6, but I can't remember where I read that.


No it isn't. It was widely reported last year that Hebburn Town Reserves could only move up to Step 5 if the first team won promotion to Step 4. The first team didn't and so Hebburn Ressies stayed in the Wearside League, despite winnin the league and applying for promotion. Runners up Sunderland West End too the promotion place instead.

hebburn town res are at step 7 and can only move up to step 6 if hebburn first team are promoted to step 4.


Sorry that is what I had meant - I typed the wrong step number. Yes, Hebburn Town Reserves could not go up to Step 6 as the first team at Step 5 failed to go up to Step 4. Had the first team gone up, the Reserves could have gone up to Step 6 thus maintaining the two step separation rule.

Therefore there is no scope for Sherwood Colliery Reserves to go up this year.


Sarumio
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If you play at step 6 your reserves can play at step 7.
If you play at step 7 there are no NLS rules about where your reserves play as they will not be part of the NLS.

They may be cases now or in the past where a club may play at step 7 but are close to the border with another step 7 league and want their reserves to play in that.
Not sure if that would be allowed.
It probably would but what happens if the reserve side in theory wins promotion to the other leagues top division at step 7. Giving the club two sides at step 7.


I believe there is a rule in place and one that has been enforced in the past on at least two occasions.

1. When the North Riding League was elevated to Step 7 status (and thus on a level footing with the Wearside League), NRL member Redcar Athletic Reserves were forcibly demoted from the Premier Division to Division One, due to the fact the first team at the time were in the Wearside League
2. Despite twice finishing in a promotion place, Pocklington Town Reserves have twice been denied promotion to the York League’s Premier Division, due to the first team’s continued membership of the Humber Premier League’s Premier Division (also at Step 7).


(This post was edited by Sarumio on Sep 18, 2019, 1:34 PM)


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I thought it was okay at steps 5 and 6, but I can't remember where I read that.


No it isn't. It was widely reported last year that Hebburn Town Reserves could only move up to Step 5 if the first team won promotion to Step 4. The first team didn't and so Hebburn Ressies stayed in the Wearside League, despite winnin the league and applying for promotion. Runners up Sunderland West End too the promotion place instead.

hebburn town res are at step 7 and can only move up to step 6 if hebburn first team are promoted to step 4.


Sorry that is what I had meant - I typed the wrong step number. Yes, Hebburn Town Reserves could not go up to Step 6 as the first team at Step 5 failed to go up to Step 4. Had the first team gone up, the Reserves could have gone up to Step 6 thus maintaining the two step separation rule.

Therefore there is no scope for Sherwood Colliery Reserves to go up this year.


But Sherwood Colliery Saints could apply...


shimtoan
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I thought it was okay at steps 5 and 6, but I can't remember where I read that.


No it isn't. It was widely reported last year that Hebburn Town Reserves could only move up to Step 5 if the first team won promotion to Step 4. The first team didn't and so Hebburn Ressies stayed in the Wearside League, despite winnin the league and applying for promotion. Runners up Sunderland West End too the promotion place instead.

hebburn town res are at step 7 and can only move up to step 6 if hebburn first team are promoted to step 4.


Sorry that is what I had meant - I typed the wrong step number. Yes, Hebburn Town Reserves could not go up to Step 6 as the first team at Step 5 failed to go up to Step 4. Had the first team gone up, the Reserves could have gone up to Step 6 thus maintaining the two step separation rule.

Therefore there is no scope for Sherwood Colliery Reserves to go up this year.


But Sherwood Colliery Saints could apply...

AFC Dunkirk could too. Despite being our de facto reserve side, they're registered as a separate club to get round the NSL's "no reserves in the Premier" rule.

And I am aware that Sherwood are in the CML, not NSL



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Reborn Yellow
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If Dunkirk FC are not promoted this season, could AFC Dunkirk theoretically join them in the same division next season? I know this would probably be impractical


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If Dunkirk FC are not promoted this season, could AFC Dunkirk theoretically join them in the same division next season? I know this would probably be impractical

In theory, yes



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Just to clarify the situation re Lyne of the Surrey Elite Intermediate league, I hopped them yesterday and asked a committee member, who said the groundshare with Ascot United was sanctioned by the FA last May, so promotion shouldn't be an issue if they finish high enough in the SEIL this season.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the Lyne committee man confirmed there'd been no problem with neighbouring non-League clubs re getting a groundshare - they were simply made a very good offer by Ascot United.


(This post was edited by Ashtree RockBee on Sep 22, 2019, 11:53 AM)


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These are the clubs that are either planning to apply or are weighing it up in the northeast:
NRL: Grangetown Boys Club, Redcar Town & Boro Rangers
WL: Horden Community Welfare, Wolviston, Richmond Town & Hebburn Town Reserves(there will be more)
NA: Newcastle Blue Star, AFC Killingworth & Blyth Town


Rugby Borough have made the necessary ground improvements and will be applying from the LSL.



South Liverpool, Allscott Heath, Foley Meir, Euxton Villa, Rochdale Sacred Heart, Stockport Georgians, Newark Town, Harworth Colliery, Clay Cross Town, Pinxton, Woodthorpe Park Rangers, Lincoln Moorlands Railway, Ilkley Town, Harleston Town, Buckhurst Hill & Shirehampton are all either applying or having committee meetings on whether they’re applying.


I take it Alscott Heath know they need floodlights right?

There weren't any when I went past it the other day.


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They need planning permission for lights and the necessary funding in place before the deadline but not the lights just yet.



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Rochdale Sacred Heart issues are pitch size, floodlights & covered accommodation. Stockport Georgians issues are the same, except the pitch size is okay.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9


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Stockport Georgians have a splendid covered terrace. Just no seats - not that they'd need them immediateiy upon entry to step 6 anyway.


Reborn Yellow
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Why are Eastwood Dev in the NSL Premier? Are they a 'separate' club?


windydcfc
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Why are Eastwood Dev in the NSL Premier? Are they a 'separate' club?



If my recollection is correct, they were in the CML1S and won promotion to step 7. It was the season that the FALC decided to move a few clubs around at step 7. So a couple of clubs moved from the CML to the NSL & vice versa. There doesn’t need to be a two step gap for clubs & their Reserves between steps 6 & 7.



Non League Projection - 2020/21: https://docs.google.com/...UTgVhKYTo/edit#gid=0
Step 1: https://www.google.com/....119447550000018&z=7
Step 2: https://www.google.com/...677250654298405&z=15
Step 3: https://www.google.com/...358611350589399&z=16
Step 4: https://www.google.com/...536616305542566&z=16
Step 5: https://www.google.com/...399355140531952&z=16
Step 6: https://www.google.com/...1556307438963813&z=9

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