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Yatesman
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Just when you thought Brexiteers couldn’t embarrass this country any more than they already have, up pops Leave.EU.


https://twitter.com/...515644954714114?s=21


Leading Brexiteers acting like ferrets in a sack

Isabel Oakeshott “FFS. This sort of crap does Leavers no favours. Come on @LeaveEUOfficial - you should know better than this.”

Arron Banks “I don’t need the girlfriend chipping in @TiceRichard can speak for himself !”
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Richard Tice “I am appalled by this stupid and offensive picture by Leave.eu. This absurd behaviour damages all Leavers.”

Andy Wigmore “Oh shut up @TiceRichard - you loved it, stop being so pompous....”



Yes, saw that before it was taken down and condemned the use of the word 'kraut'.


Obviously the EU proposal to annexe Northern Ireland didn't sit well with Leave.UK but I do think they need to be careful in the language they use and Kraut , in this context, isn't good language

In the context of music, KrautRock is perfectly acceptable!


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PaulC
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The Court of Session chooses to hold the Sword of Damocles over Johnson's head.

Wise move.

https://pbs.twimg.com/...jpg&name=900x900


Yatesman
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The Court of Session chooses to hold the Sword of Damocles over Johnson's head.

Wise move.

https://pbs.twimg.com/...jpg&name=900x900


That utter scunner Bercow has been colluding with the EU despite havng no mandate, authority or permission.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/...om/20191009IPR63929/


Surely a sackable offence, if not treasonable.


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Isn't Sassoli just repeating the stated position of the European Parliament?

And I thought all sides are trying to avoid a disorderly exit.

Bercow may love to be in the spotlight but in reality he isn't the problem, the real problem is the deadlock in the House of Commons.

A General Election may sort that.

Or it may not. Frown

And if it doesn't what do we do then?

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Yatesman
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Isn't Sassoli just repeating the stated position of the European Parliament?

And I thought all sides are trying to avoid a disorderly exit.

Bercow may love to be in the spotlight but in reality he isn't the problem, the real problem is the deadlock in the House of Commons.

A General Election may sort that.

Or it may not. Frown

And if it doesn't what do we do then?

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That may be the case re: Sassoli but Bercow's intent was plainly nefarious.

A GE may not much change the numbers in Parliament but that doesn't change the need to honour the referendum result.

That's why we should get Brexit done by Oct 31st because this can kicking is getting us nowhere.

I understand that Remainers believe they will eventually stop Brexit with this strategy but they are mistaken and their actions are creating anxiety and uncertainty.


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PaulC
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A second referendum makes the first one redundant.

A second referendum, being binary in nature, is preferable to a multi-issue GE.


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I think you're over-rating Bercow's importance. If Johnson can get a majority of MPs to vote for a course of action then Bercow becomes utterly irrelevant.

Maybe more interesting is the letter that 19 Labour MPs have sent to Tusk and Junker saying they "wish to see the British EU referendum result honoured without further delay"

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/...exit-deal-1-10041401

or do you see that too as "colluding with the EU"? Cool

To me it looks like Flint and co. are signalling desperately both to the EU and to Johnson that, if the two sides can cobble a deal together, the 19 will ignore Jezza and definitely vote for it.

The cynical among us might feel that the 19 are driven not so much by a principled desire to implement the Referendum result but by the fear of being booted out of their seats in the upcoming election.

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Yatesman
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A second referendum makes the first one redundant.

A second referendum, being binary in nature, is preferable to a multi-issue GE.


You have to honour the result from the first before a 2nd can ever be valid. That's a basic rule of Democracy.
Anyway, aren't binary referendums the problem rather than the solution?

The last one put us in our current predicament.

A GE is definitely the way forward...........The people vs The Remainer Elite!


PaulC
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You have to honour the result from the first before a 2nd can ever be valid. That's a basic rule of Democracy.

What kind of democracy makes us do something we now longer want to do?

That's not democracy. That's tyranny.


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I have followed this thread from the outset and have found it both illuminating and entertaining. We obviously have many erudite and passionate people in our midst. To that ends may I point you to an article by the historian Simon Schama which appeared in the Financial Times and also The "I" newspaper of October 7th, entitled "Who really speaks for the people?. Beware populists leading us to farce or tragedy." A veritable feast for thought.


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You have to honour the result from the first before a 2nd can ever be valid. That's a basic rule of Democracy.

What kind of democracy makes us do something we now longer want to do?

That's not democracy. That's tyranny.


We've been suffering a tyranny of middle class complacency and 'I'm alright Jack' for at least a century.

Milions are suffering, millions are being ignored, patronised and marginalised and the wealth concentrated in to the third of society with access to power and influence The middle classes are having it large...........

Society needs a root and branch upheaval. Too many are living off of crumbs.

that's the tyranny


Yatesman
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I have followed this thread from the outset and have found it both illuminating and entertaining. We obviously have many erudite and passionate people in our midst. To that ends may I point you to an article by the historian Simon Schama which appeared in the Financial Times and also The "I" newspaper of October 7th, entitled "Who really speaks for the people?. Beware populists leading us to farce or tragedy." A veritable feast for thought.


I haven't read that particular article but I'm fully aware that those that have dominated society for so long are bricking it right now.
People who aren't enjoying the largesse the 6th richest economy on the globe has to offer have nothing to lose by choosing a different path.

Populists who seek power for the sake of power and control are to be feared ............as are Liberals who seek the same.

Some populists are popular because they are genuinley on the side of the oppressed and hopeless.


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We've been suffering a tyranny of middle class complacency and 'I'm alright Jack' for at least a century.

Milions are suffering, millions are being ignored, patronised and marginalised and the wealth concentrated in to the third of society with access to power and influence The middle classes are having it large...........

Society needs a root and branch upheaval. Too many are living off of crumbs.

that's the tyranny


Voting Tory should cure it.


Yatesman
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We've been suffering a tyranny of middle class complacency and 'I'm alright Jack' for at least a century.

Milions are suffering, millions are being ignored, patronised and marginalised and the wealth concentrated in to the third of society with access to power and influence The middle classes are having it large...........

Society needs a root and branch upheaval. Too many are living off of crumbs.

that's the tyranny


Voting Tory should cure it.


Maybe, maybe not!

Voting LieDumb or Labour won't , that's for damn sure!


Yatesman
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I have followed this thread from the outset and have found it both illuminating and entertaining. We obviously have many erudite and passionate people in our midst. To that ends may I point you to an article by the historian Simon Schama which appeared in the Financial Times and also The "I" newspaper of October 7th, entitled "Who really speaks for the people?. Beware populists leading us to farce or tragedy." A veritable feast for thought.


Hard to decipher the current manouevers in the negotiations but a WTO FTA should allow most goods and produce to move freely across borders and doesn't include services which are not covered by the WTO rules. We can adjust the WTO terms to suit our trade with the EU.

We will save our £350milllion per week but lose some tax revenues on financial services.

It will need existiing red lines changing but something has to give for progress to be made.

I still expect the EU to continue with their well established 'Good Cop/Bad Cop' routine. It has served them well so far with Remaniacs falling for it hook , line and sinker, but away from the spotlight I have real hope that something will emerge that breaks the deadlock on the border issue and allows a deal to be agreed.


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The cost of membership of the EU is still spouted out by the misinformed Quitters as one of the reasons why they voted leave..

We give them billions say the Quitters!
Most of them think We are sole contributers towards the EU!

It's a Bargain, 34 pence a day for every individual and it benefits on average every family in the UK by 3000 pounds a year!

https://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2019/03/03/eu-membership-is-a-bargain/



I need to have the last word, as it always looks as if I am right !

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In Welwyn GC this morning and a sprinkling of ‘People’s Vote’ remainers we’re handing out leaflets. I happened to know one of them, so stopped to chat, and he said he was pretty despondent about the % of people he’s spoken to who wanted to Remain. WelwynHatfield was marginally leave in 2016 and his view was (based on people he’d spoken with) far more were in the ‘let’s get on with it’ camp than expected and, if anything, the swing was away from Remain.

Maybe small sample, but interesting none-the-less. Perhaps Remainers sleep in late on Saturday and will be out in force later...


Yatesman
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The cost of membership of the EU is still spouted out by the misinformed Quitters as one of the reasons why they voted leave..

We give them billions say the Quitters!
Most of them think We are sole contributers towards the EU!

It's a Bargain, 34 pence a day for every individual and it benefits on average every family in the UK by 3000 pounds a year!

https://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2019/03/03/eu-membership-is-a-bargain/


Quitter, lol ! Like quitting cigarettes!

Escapee more like.

£0.34 x 67,000 000 is not an insignificant sum and not worth paying to be a member of an undemocratic, unaccountable, globalist French/German vanity project that ultimately intends to destroy our status as a Sovereign , Independant nation.
All the alleged benefits of the EU are available outwith.

Happy Quitter here, now let's get it done.. .Go Boris!

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