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Reborn Yellow
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Are Welsh teams still allowed in the FA Vase? I cannot see any listed, but that could just me looking well enough.


gcnc
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Only if they are playing in a league within the English pyramid at the relevant step.

The last club who did this were Merthyr Town when they were in the Western League between 2010 and 2012.


Reborn Yellow
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Thanks. The Wikipedia pages for the last few years are showing it is a competition for England and Wales, which from your answer it could be, but isn't.


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Thanks. The Wikipedia pages for the last few years are showing it is a competition for England and Wales, which from your answer it could be, but isn't.


In the days of Gretna playing in the English system, I assume they may have previously played in it?

Do Jersey / did Guernsey enter as well?


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They did.

They have. First Tower.

They have. Vale Rec.

Guernsey did for one season.



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And Douglas High School Old Boys (if I've got that name in full right) entered at least once in the FA Vase as I went to see Nantwich play them on the IOM.
Remember Tram being there too.


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Thanks. The Wikipedia pages for the last few years are showing it is a competition for England and Wales, which from your answer it could be, but isn't.


In the days of Gretna playing in the English system, I assume they may have previously played in it?


Annan Athletic, too.

I thought Heart of Liddesdale might have entered too in the early days but apparently not. They don't appear to have moved over from the FA Amateur Cup.


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gcnc
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Sides from Kernow enter every season.


Bantam Cymraeg
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Didn't it used to be a rule that Welsh sides couldn't enter the Vase? Isn't that why Colwyn Bay entered the Trophy when they were in the NWCL?


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I can't quote chapter and verse, but suspect you are correct, given the number of 'smaller' Welsh sides that used to regularly enter the FA Trophy, e.g., Haverfordwest County, Ton Pentre, Cwmbran Town, and even a club like Ferndale.

Thinking more about it I'm not sure any other Welsh side beside Merthyr Town has been in the Vase.


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Didn't it used to be a rule that Welsh sides couldn't enter the Vase? Isn't that why Colwyn Bay entered the Trophy when they were in the NWCL?


I believe this is correct.


leohoenig
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Welsh clubs were allowed in the FA Cup in a reciprocal arrangement for English clubs in the Welsh Cup. This has ended, but Welsh clubs in the English system are allowed in the English, but not Welsh Cups. The opposite occurs with TNS.

No English clubs ever played in the Welsh FA Trophy, (I think it used to be called the Intermediate Cup), and the FA Vase was considered its English equivalence. The FA trophy stood alone, with Welsh clubs that were not eligible for their Trophy/Intermediate Cup allowed to enter the English competition. Since Welsh Clubs in English leagues no longer play in any Welsh competition, they play in the appropriate English competition, Vase or Cup
Merthyr are probably the only cup that has been eligible for the Vase in this time.
This is from memory, so excuse any mistakes



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TAWMAN
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Aug 23, 2019, 12:21 PM

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'Sides from Kernow enter every season.'

Yes, along with every other English county.


Chris M
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No English clubs ever played in the Welsh FA Trophy, (I think it used to be called the Intermediate Cup)


Not as far as I know under its current name, but while it was first the Amateur Cup and then Intermediate Cup, some English teams did play in it, and my mum's home town team Whitchurch Alport are one of the 7 teams (on 9 occasions) who brought it back over the border.


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No English clubs ever played in the Welsh FA Trophy, (I think it used to be called the Intermediate Cup)


Not as far as I know under its current name, but while it was first the Amateur Cup and then Intermediate Cup, some English teams did play in it, and my mum's home town team Whitchurch Alport are one of the 7 teams (on 9 occasions) who brought it back over the border.



Started as Junior Cup then Amateur , Intermediate and now the Trophy.

Yes Alport won it in 73/74 captained by an old friend of mine , sadly deceased Glyn Morris. They had a management team and most of the players from Crewe. They beat Cardiff College 2-1 in the Final.

Team. Newton, Kettle, Sheppard, Robinson, Aldersey, Morris, Latham, Bache, Thornhill, Perry , Spencer . Sub Cooke.

At least 9 of whom are / were from Crewe..



July 1, 2019 to June 30,2020 = 69 / 59 / 10 / inc 2 x 0-0's. (You know my rules) @ 19 / 09 / 2019.
2019/20. Benelux = Bel = 0-0-0-(0-0-0)-(0-2-1-1)/ Lux = 0-2 / Neth = 0-0-0-(1 - 2) Others France = 0-0 / Germany =0-0-0 / Italy =0-3(Act 4- Frosinone new ground)./ Iberia = P = 0-1 & S = 0-0.

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