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I sometimes wonder if UEFA want any spectators at these matches at all.


With matches like these probably costing more money to stage than they make, irrespective of what UEFA say, I'd be surprised if they really want clubs of this size the competition at all.




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Racecourse not available, Wrexham had been due to play Fleetwood on 5th July but this has been switched to Fleetwood training ground.

The Racecourse pitch got reseeded but due to the weather a few weeks ago the pitch is not ready.

Could they not have tried to play the tie at Chester's Deva Stadium, which is partly in Wales and closer to Connah's Quay than Rhyl or Wrexham?


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I sometimes wonder if UEFA want any spectators at these matches at all.


With matches like these probably costing more money to stage than they make, irrespective of what UEFA say, I'd be surprised if they really want clubs of this size the competition at all.

Indeed. But CQN have a very poor home attendance record in all competitons, includingEuropean ties. Home to HK Helsinki (which they won!)a few years back the gate was under 500, Only once that I can find have they ever hosted a four figure gate: v Edinburgh City in the Irn Bru.

No wonder Killie have over half the ticket allocation. Could be a good game too, today's 0-0 friendly v Aberdeen shows they won't be a walkover. And travelling to Scotland for the away leg will seem almost routine after their Irn Bru successes.



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Just to update as nobody else has:
Europa League:

Prelim Round 1st leg played 27 June:
Ballymena Utd 2 Runavik 0

Barry Town Utd 0 Cliftonville 0

Niedercorn 1 Cardiff Met 0

2nd legs being played even at this moment.....watch this space!



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.....continued
Europa Cup Preliminary Round 2nd Legs played 4 July
Cardiff Met 2 Progres Niedercorn 1 (agg 2-2: Niedercorn win on away goals)Cliftonville 4 Barry Town United 0 (agg 4-0)Runavik 0 Ballymena United 0 (agg 2-0 to Ballymena)
Progres Niedercorn (?Niederkorn) next play Cork City and are the Luxembourg side which dumped out Rangers 2-0 on aggregate in 2017. So Cardiff Met have not done badly at all! Maybe the Euro rating of TNS higher than Rangers wasn't so surprising after all!
Next round sees CQN v Killie, all logic suggests a Killie walkover but.......



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And I see the UEFA ratings have now been revised to reflect the Europa Preliminary Round results.

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/trank2020.html

Niederkorn (=235) are now rated above Kilmarnock (=244), and level with the likes of Torpedo Kutaisi, Dinamo Tbilisi and Buducnost Pudgorica.



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AFAIK, the updated rankings are not used for seeding in subsequent draws this season



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Dates sorted for Gibraltar next week.

9th July
St Joseph's v Rangers.

11 July.
Europa v Legia Warsaw.


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AFAIK, the updated rankings are not used for seeding in subsequent draws this season


That is correct. All seedings/exemptions throughout the 2019-20 competitions are based on the rankings at the end of 2017-18.


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Could be very interesting if Rangers morons meet up with Legia's ultras.



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Revised Draws:


CL Q1 (9/10 & 16/17 July)
Tuesday:
1845 FK Sarajevo (Bosnia) 4.250 v Celtic 31.000 (2nd leg 17th 1945)
1900 TNS 6.000 v Feronikeli (Kosovo) 0.500 (Live on BBC Sport, 2nd leg 16th 1945)
Wednesday:
1945 Linfield 2.250 v Rosenborg BK (Norway) 11.500 (2nd leg 17th 1800)
1945 Dundalk 7.000 v Riga FC (Latvia) 1.125 (2nd leg 17th 1730)


EL Q1 (11 & 18 July unless stated)
Tuesday 9th 1655 St Josephs (Gibraltar) 0.800 v The Rangers 5.250
1800 Malmo (Sweden) 20.000 v Ballymena United
1900 Connah's Quay Nomads 1.750 v Kilmarnock 4.425 - at Rhyll
1900 SK Brann Bergen (Norway) 4.040 v Shamrock Rovers 2.250
1800 Crusaders 4.250 v B36 Torshavn (Faroes) 3.000
1945 Cork City 3.750 v Progres Niederkorn (Luxembourg) 2.750
1945 Cliftonville 2.500 v FK Haugesund (Norway) 4.040
1945 St Pat's Athletic 1.750 v IFK Norkoping (Sweden) 4.180
1945 Aberdeen 5.500 v RoPS Rovaniemi (Finland) 1.455

Was toying with hopping over from my week in Scotland for Ballymena United v Malmo plus Derry City v Sligo Rovers on Friday but frightened off by the cost of the Stranraer ferry - over £300 to take my car across and back. Don't know if it's always this expensive or whether they have hiked up the prices for the Open golf at Potrush that weekendMad.
Tickets (£15/£10 concession) went on sale Monday evening between 1830 and 2030 in Ballymena's club shop and they anticipate this game will be a sell out - the club have already received numerous enquiries from across Europe. If there are any remaining tickets following Monday night, an announcement will be made on where and when they can be purchased.


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And results:

CL

July 9

Sarajevo 1 Celtic 3
The New Saints 2 Feronikeli 2

July 10

Dundalk 0 Riga 0
Linfield 0 Rosenborg 2

EL

July 9

St Joseph's 0 Rangers 4

July 11

Aberdeen 2 Rovaniemi 1
Brann Bergen 2 Shamrock Rovers 2
Cliftonville 0 Haugesund 1
Connah's Quay Nomads 1 Kilmarnock 2
Cork City 0 Progres Niederkorn 2
Crusaders 2 B36 Torshavn 0
Malmo 7 Ballymena Utd 0
St. Patrick's Athletic 0 Norkoping 2



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And some interesting bits to those results
In CL TNS let slip a 2-0 lead in the dying minutes, so now have it all to do in Kosovo. They must either win or draw 3-3 or higher. Hmm.

In EL it's similarly a splendid effort by Connah's Quay who went 1-0 up with about 10 minutes to go , but couldn't quite hold out to the end. How many'll they take to Rugby Park I wonder? And a huge result for Shamrock Rovers. Brann are a quality Norwegian side, not far behind Rosenborg. And Progres Niederkorn! Underdogs on paper but they've got to be odds on to win through now, in which case who awaits but Rangers who they knocked out in 2017. Who says lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place?



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Well I didn't see this one coming

Kilmarnock 0-2 Connah's Quay Nomads - Nomads won 3-2 on aggregate.


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Kilmarnock 0-2 Connah's Quay Nomads - Nomads won 3-2 on aggregate.


Nor I reckon did hardly anyone except maybe Andy Morrison. Bookies had Killie odds on 1-200. And on top of TNS winning in Kosovo this should put the Welsh Premier League well on the map.

Further post on all results tomorrow,

What odds now on who to win the Irn Bru in 19/20? The Nomads must by now regarding Scotland as their second home: their average gate in Scotland being I reckon twice what it is Wales.......



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Well I didn't see this one coming

Kilmarnock 0-2 Connah's Quay Nomads - Nomads won 3-2 on aggregate.


Nor I reckon did hardly anyone except maybe Andy Morrison. Bookies had Killie odds on 1-200. And on top of TNS winning in Kosovo this should put the Welsh Premier League well on the map.

Further post on all results tomorrow,

What odds now on who to win the Irn Bru in 19/20? The Nomads must by now regarding Scotland as their second home: their average gate in Scotland being I reckon twice what it is Wales.......

Many on here have in the past compared the standard of football in the WPL with National North!! If correct where does that leave the SPL after the goings on at Rugby Park last night.


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Days and venues now all on UEFA's site for Q2 :




CL Q2

Celtic 31.000 v Nomme Kalju (Estonia) 3.500 Wed 24 + Tue 30 July

Dundalk 7.000 v Qarabag Agdam (Azerbaijan) 22.000 Wed 24 + Wed 31 July

TNS 6.000 v FC Kobenhavn (Denmark) 31.000 Tue 23 + Wed 31 July


EL Q2

CL rejects' path:

HB Torshavn (Faroes) 1.500 v Linfield 2.250 Tue 23 July + Thu 1 Aug

Proper path:

Connah's Quay Nomads 1.750 v FK Partizan Belgrade (Serbia) 18.000 Thu 25 July (6:30pm @ Rhyll) + Thu 1 Aug

Shamrock Rovers 2.250 v Apollon Limassol (Cyprus) 12.000 Thu 25 July + Thu 1 Aug

Wolves 17.092 v Crusaders 4.250 Thu 25 July + Thu 1 Aug

Rangers 5.250 v Progres Niederkorn (Lux) 2.750 Thu 25 July + Thu 1 Aug

FC Chikhura Sachkhere (Georgia) 3.000 v Aberdeen 5.500 Thu 25 July + Thu 1 Aug note that sense has been reversed : had been drawn with L1 in Aberdeen.


CLQ3 draw Mon 22 July, 11am UK time, for matches 6/7 Aug + 13 Aug.

Celtic / Nomme Kalju will be seeded; Dundalk / Qarabag will be non-seeds.



ELQ3 draw Mon 22 July, for matches Thu 8 Aug & Thu 15 Aug.


CL rejects’ path draw 11:20am UK time.

“Celtic / Nomme Kalju” and “Dundalk / Qarabag” will be in this, and be seeded, since the losers of CLQ2 ties participate in ELQ3.

Proper path draw at 1pm UK time.

Wolves / Crusaders, Connah’s Quay / Partizan Belgrade, and Shamrock Rovers / Apollon will be seeds.

Rangers / Progres and Aberdeen / Chikhura Sackhere will be non-seeds.




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And, for good order the results:

CL
16 July
Feronikeli 0 The New Saints 1 (agg 2-3)

17 July
Celtic 2 Sarajevo 1 (agg 5-2)Rosenborg 4 Linfield 0 (agg 6-0)Riga 0 Dundalk 1 after penalties FT 0-0 (agg 0-1)
EL on next post

Amendment: In fact though flashscore.com had it Riga v Dundalk 0-1 after penalties, in the shootout it was actually 5-4 to Dundalk.



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EL all 18 July
B36 Torshavn 2 Crusaders 3 (agg 2-5)Ballymena Utd 0 Malmo 4 (agg 0-1)Haugesund 5 Cliftonville 1 (agg 6-1)Kilmarnock 0 Connah's Quay Nomads 2 (agg 2-3)Norrkoping 2 St. Patrick's Ath 1 (agg 4-1)Progres Niederkorn 1 Cork City 2 (agg 3-2)Rangers 6 St. Joseph's 0 (agg 10-0)Rovaniemi 1 Aberdeen 2 (agg 2-4)Shamrock Rovers 2 Brann Bergen 1 (agg 4-3)


Teams in bold on this and last post progress to next round.
Watch this space......................



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Lightening won't strike twice!! Sly


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CLQ3 draw Mon 22 July, 11am UK time, for matches 6/7 Aug + 13 Aug.

Celtic / Nomme Kalju will be seeded; Dundalk / Qarabag will be non-seeds.


TNS/FC København will be seeded too, if I am reading things right.


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CLQ3 draw Mon 22 July, 11am UK time, for matches 6/7 Aug + 13 Aug.

Celtic / Nomme Kalju will be seeded; Dundalk / Qarabag will be non-seeds.


TNS/FC København will be seeded too, if I am reading things right.


That would be something else if TNS can get past the Danish Champions A big ask but not impossible, Feronikeli's ranking belies them and is because Kosovo having to start from scratch having been prior part of Serbia with the likes of Red Star and Partizan Belgrade.

TNS's win was in that league. Maybe not quite as impressive as the Nomads over Kilmarnock., but a good second, equal to Shamrock's win over Brann Bergen Norwegian League is on paper much stronger than Welsh or Irish or League of Ireland (witness Rosenborg).

I shall watch out for the Nomads v Partizan with great interest. Surely they can't, can they? About as likely as Leicester City winning the English Premiership...............



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 Feronikeli's ranking belies them and is because Kosovo having to start from scratch having been prior part of Serbia with the likes of Red Star and Partizan Belgrade.

TNS's win was in that league. .


That's akin to saying Cheltenham play with the likes of Man City and Liverpool.
Feronikeli have no European or top flight history so their ranking is about right for now.

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The reason Feronikeli and other Kosovo clubs have minimal UEFA rankings is because it was only two seasons ago they were admitted by UEFA. Before that they still had their own league broken away from Serbia several years prior (?1990) but not UEFA recognised. Before that they plated in the Serbian, but due to many changes of names (including Feronikeli's) and other circumstances it is not easy to ascertain which clubs in the then Serbian top flight were in what is now Kosovo. However I can scarcely believe that none did: being all part of the former Yugoslavia. The tragic political conflict in the area has somewhat relegated football there to a back seat, but I am sure it will recover. I don't see Kosovo staying in the bottom four very much longer: one more year as max.



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The reason Feronikeli and other Kosovo clubs have minimal UEFA r it is not easy to ascertain which clubs in the then Serbian top flight were in what is now Kosovo. However I can scarcely believe that none did: being all part of the former Yugoslavia.


On the contrary, it is very easy to find out that FC Prishtina and FK Trepca played in the Yugoslav top league. The former are in the Kosovo premier, the latter in a Serb regional league as they came from the Serb quarter of Mitrovica. After Kosovo's split, a new club, KF Trepca play in the second tier in Kosovo having taken over the former ground of the Serb club.
No sign of Feronikeli which was founded in 1974 and thus have no top flight history and no European experience until this season thus they will inevitably have a low ranking. They may well improve as time goes on but don't be fooled by the relative strength of the Kosovo national team who are almost exclusively made up of players from outside the domestic league.
I therefore don't think it was too much of a shock that they were eliminated by TNS who in the last five European seasons (to date) have won 8, drawn 4 and lost 8 European games


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