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Despite the number of teams to play in the finals in 2022 is still up for a vote at the next FIFA meeting, on June 5th, the draw has been made for the first round of Asian Qualification, to be played on June 6th and 11th.

The first two rounds of Asian Qualification are also used in qualification for the 2023 Asian Cup. No decision has yet been reached as to the venue of the latter competition, with the two bidders being China and South Korea.

Timor Leste are banned from Asian Cup 2023 for their ineligible players in the last World/Asian Cup qualifications, but FIFA did not extend the ban to the World Cup. They are therefore included in the draw

Qatar need to qualify for the next Asian Cup, so they will be in the second round draw, as will China and South Korea (for World Cup qualification) while one will host the Asian Cup

The draw is
Mongolia v Brunei
Macau v Sri Lanka
Laos v Bangladesh
Malaysia v Timor Leste
Cambodia v Pakistan and
Bhutan v Guam

The draw is seeded, with the higher seeded teams shown first (so I assume home in the first leg). Guam are the team most likely to beat the seeding.



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The first match of qualification for World Cup 2022 starts less than an hour after I post this.

The match is Mongolia v Brunei.
Mongolian coach Michael Weiss appears to be preparing excuses early, saying that Brunei are a good team, that playing away in a humid country for the second leg does not suit and that Brunei include two Singaporeans in the squad.

Brunei, under coach Robert Servais appear to have bigger problems, as it is reported that no less than nine players, all members of the DPMM team have pulled out of his squad.

In the last four World Cups, Mongolia have lost out at this first stage in a two legged game. Brunei have played in only one of those four competitions, not entering for 2006 or 2010 and suspended by FIFA for 2014. Last time out, they also lost in the first round



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The first match ended Mongolia 2-0 Brunei
The first goalscorer was Norjmoogiin Tsedenbal, who plays for Ulanbaatar City, current league leaders in Mongolia
As second goal was added by Naranbold Nyam-Osor.

Four more games later today, and one tomorrow
Second legs are on Tuesday, when the number of teams in the World Cup reduced from 211 to 205!



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Today's other results
Cambodia 2-0 Pakistan: Late goals from Sieng Chanthea and Sokumpheak Kouch - looks like a big turnover of players in Cambodia. Only 3 of the players I saw for them in September 2017 played in this game

Laos 0-1 Bangladesh: Goal on 67 minutes from substitute Robiul Hasan - Hasan plays for Arambagh and does not have his 20th birthday until later this month

Macau 1-0 Sri Lanka: Played in China, as the Macau stadium is under renovation (probably so some Premier League side can play there next month). Filipe Duarte scored early in the second half. Duarte is a Benfica player, and veteran of the squad at 34. OK then, Benfica de Macau if you want to be accurate.

Bhutan 1-0 Guam: Tshering Dorji scoring in the first half - as the return leg kicks off early (by UK time), one of these two teams will have the "honour" (or honor it is Guam) of being the first team to be knocked out of the 2022 World Cup



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I saw the Mongolia and Bhutan games on Mycujoo. Brunei were very poor and created no chances , perhaps explained by the players pulling out.
Bhutan and Guam was a much better match with both teams creating chances. Wouldn't like to predict the result of the second leg. Apparently Guam have brought several players over from the USA. The match had English commentary done by an English manager who has just gone out to Bhutan, didn't catch his name or club. Big crowd (for Bhutan) at the Changlimithang National Stadium.



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The attendances I have seen listed are

Macau, (in Zuhai, China): 901
Mongolia: 1,685
Laos: 4,572
Bhutan: 8,000
Cambodia: 33,706



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Malaysia beat Timor Leste 7-1

Timor Leste (aka East Timor) are not finding life easy since they have been told they cannot sign 12 random Brazilians* to play for them.

Because of the ineligible players, they are actually banned from the Asian Cup, but not the World Cup. The officials concerned with bringing the players in were tried in local court as well as sporting sanctions, as they used falsified documents to gain nationality.

Meanwhile, with the second leg on Tuesday also to be played in Malaysia, I think we will wave goodbye to East Timor until the next World Cup

*It is possible that not all the 12 ineligible players were Brazilian



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Macau are refusing to travel to Sri Lanka for the second leg of their tie, citing the terrorist attack at Easter, and saying they are afraid for their security
Considering that FIFA and the AFC have not already moved it (and assuming Macau are accurate in stating they asked for a change a month ago), then we can expect the match to be forfeit - awarded 3-0 to Sri Lanka who then go through


As it happens, the FCO downgraded its advice to British citizens from avoiding travel to the island, to exercising caution while there.



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This message was followed by a list of every player in the squad and youth squads for Macau



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With the 2022 World Cup to be played later in the year, the dates available for qualifying games are changing.

As FIFA has given up on increasing the number of teams in the competition, the number of places for each confederation remains unchanged

That is
AFC (Asia): 4.5+Qatar
CAF (Africa): 5
CONCACAF: (N/C America + Caribbean): 3.5
CONMEBOL (S. America): 4.5
OFC (Oceania): 0.5
UEFA (Europe inc Israel and Kazakhstan): 13

".5" indicates a place in intercontinental play-offs

Expectation is that similar qualifying formats will be used to those for 2018, except changes in UEFA (small) and CONCACAF (major)

CAF - last time around, two rounds of knock out matches to reduce numbers to 20, then five groups of four with the top of each group qualifying. How this will fit in with a CAF Nations League remains to be seen. For that matter, whether or not the Nations League starts in Autumn 2019 is still open to conjecture

OFC - last time around, a preliminary round in a single venue followed by 8 teams playing the "OFC Nations League" in a single country. This was followed by two groups of three (home and away) and a final (home and away). It could be simplified depending on whether the countries still want a Nations League now it is not required as qualification for the Confederations Cup

CONMEBOL - have confirmed a home and away league for all ten members.

AFC - The formula appears to be the same as last time. The two legged ties this week reduce the field to 40 teams in 8 groups of 5, from which 12 teams make it to the next round. Qatar are included, despite being automatically included as this also qualifies for AFC 2023 in China. The final 12 play off in two groups of six for places in 2022. These are exempt from further qualification for 2023. If Qatar makes the 12 it is not clear whether they will play on, or give up their place to team 13. If they fail to make the 12, then they have to play on (in the lower groups) for a place at China 2023. Expect both China and Qatar to make the final 12.

CONCACAF - have yet to announce a revised format. This needs to fit in with the new CONCACAF Nations League which is expected to use the Autumn international dates this year.

UEFA - Certain to use a group format with ten groups of 5/6 teams playing through 2021. The Autumn 2020 dates will be used for the second edition of the Nations League with the final four play-off in Summer 2021, (the teams concerned playing in five team groups). The most likely further scenario I have seen is that the ten group runners-up and top two unqualified teams from Nations League will play in three separate knock out series in March 2022 for the final three places in Qatar.



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AFC - Qatar are included, despite being automatically included as this also qualifies for AFC 2023 in China.

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Would quite like it if they didn't finish in a position that would have meant qualification for their own tournament.

Still they could be Conmebol Copa America champions by then , they've got an easy qualification group in that !
Qatar instead of Mexico , makes sense .



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211. Bhutan

The first contender to be knocked out of competition for the 2022 World Cup is Bhutan, by virtue of being in the first match to complete it's second leg. The winners of the tie were Guam, who despite being 1-0 down from the first leg, cruised to a five goal win in the return. Hero was veteran Jason Cunliffe who scored a hat-trick. Working on wiki for detail, the Guam side does remain mainly on Guam born players (and those playing in the territory). I make it that four players play in the USA or Canada at the moment, and these four players are the ones listed as born in the USA or Jamaica.

There are four more matches today, and then the Sri Lanka v Macau result to be relayed by an AFC/FIFA decision.



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210. Brunei

2-0 down from the first leg in Mongolia, Brunei found hope in the first half of their game, and by the break, scores were level. Mongolia won a penalty at the start of the second period which as converted by Norjmoogiin Tsedenbal, (who already had scored the first goal of this World Cup). No further score, so Mongolia progress. Brunei were troubled by a number of players, all from the country's one professional club being missing from the squad. DPMM are current leaders of the Singapore League - checking the players in each game suggests that half the team were actually DPMM players with half from the local amateur league.

209. Timor Leste
No surprise here. Timor Leste were not playing in Dili and had to return to play a second leg at the Bukit Jalil stadium where they had lost 7-1 on Friday. This time they went down 5-1

208. Laos
The Laotians had lost their home leg by 1-0, so may see the scoreless second leg to be a credible result, but still enough to see Bangladesh through to the next round



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207. Pakistan.
Another team that cannot play at home for security reasons, and so this match was played in front of 300 people in Qatar. I am sure that Qatar has a quite large migrant Pakistani population, but it seems they cannot get to the game, (or do not care for it). 2-0 down from the away leg, Pakistan did pull back the deficit with a first half penalty, but then conceded two in the second period to go out by 4-1 on aggregate.

Today's attendances:
Pakistan: 300 (in Qatar)
Bangladesh: 7,453
Timor Leste: 12,776 (in Malaysia) - the first leg at the same stadium drew 4,244
Brunei: 17,210 (4% of the population)
Guam: 1,029




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As these matches doubled up as qualifiers for the World Cup and AFC Championships does this mean that the eliminated teams will play no competitive football for nearly 4 years, apart from their regional championships, which do not usually have qualifying rounds?



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Nothing in Asia is quite that simple.
Last time around, the six losing teams in this round, and the three which failed to make the qualication groups for Asian Cup 2019 were to play in the solidarity cup

Two of the nine (Bangladesh and Pakistan) decided they could not be bothered and the cup was played in Kuching, Sarawak (Malaysia) in the interests of making sure there was no local interest or pesky crowds to get in the way. The cup final was Nepal 1-0 Macau and was watched by a crowd of 157
The AFC then found that Guam chose not to continue in qualification for the Asian Cup, while Kuwait were under FIFA suspension, so they brought Nepal and Macau into the groups. Macau lost all six, Nepal managed two home draws (both 0-0) and lost the other four.
As for the Regional Cups, some are better than others.
There has been no West Asian FF Cup since 2014, but there may be one this year for 8 of the area's 12 countries (Iran are no longer in West Asia)
The Arabian Gulf Cup is not an official regional tournament - and has eight teams involved - all 8 are part of the 12 WAFF members
The CAFA (Central Asia) was formed in 2014, mainly at the bequest of Iran who were fed up of being in the same association as the Arab states, it consists of 6 countires, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Its inaugural championships were not held in 2018. Maybe they will get played this year, or maybe not
The South Asian FF Cup is played on a regular basis, with India hosting in 2015 and Bangladesh in 2018. Seven countries compete, (the 2015 tourney did not include Pakistan, mainly because it was played in India, while Afghanistan were winners in 2013, runners-up in 2011 and 2015 but are no longer of this region.The final in 2015 (which involved India) drew a 40,000 crowd. The crowd figures in Bangladesh were not recorded!

The East Asian FF Cup is also held on a regular basis with China, Japan and South Korea rotating as the hosts for the finals - this has two preliminary rounds. For the tournament to be held in SOuth Korea in December, the first Preliminary round was played in Mongolia in September last year. Mongolia finished ahead of Macau, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands. The second Preliminary round was in Taiwan in November and saw Hong Kong scrape through on goals scored to the finals. North Korea went into the final game against the hosts, needing a 3-0 win to get through, but were held to 2-0. It is not considered a major tournament by the combatants, but the final match in 2017 still managed to draw a crowd of 36,000 to see Japan beaten by South Korea
The only one of the five regional cups that is really taken seriously by all concerned is the ASEAN Cup. The format for last season's competition with two groups of five teams each having two home games generally brought in good crowds. The ASEAN FF has twelve members, but Australia do not really fit in and do not play the tournament. Brunei and Timor Leste played off to reduce the number of entrants to ten, with Timor Leste making it through, despite not playing in Dili.

Vietnam won the two-legged final, with home advantage in the second leg. 88,000 watched the first match in Malaysia, about half that in Vietnam. (which is much more than the official capacity of the stadium)



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Bhutan and Guam was a much better match with both teams creating chances. Wouldn't like to predict the result of the second leg. Apparently Guam have brought several players over from the USA. The match had English commentary done by an English manager who has just gone out to Bhutan, didn't catch his name or club.


It's a fellow called Josh Shepherd, who is manager of Thimphu City in the Bhutan Premier League.

He was of no great note as a player and switched to coaching in his early 20s, and while in England was involved with Wolverhampton Sporting Community, Tamworth, Haverhill Rovers, and Long Melford at different times.


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Unsurprisingly, FIFA have awarded the tie that Macau did not turn up for as 3-0 to Sri Lanka, hence Sri Lanka progress to next week's draw and it is

206. Macau



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The next preliminary draw for Qatar 2022 takes place on July 17, but it appears there is uncertainty over the systems to be used for qualifying, meaning no grand draw. FIFA themselves appear not even to know who is entered into the competition. If you look at the list of competing nations on their web site, the numbers for four of the confederations include teams that are not FIFA members, and therefore and not eligible to play in the World Cup. The CONCACAF page even includes a team not affiliated to CONCACAF, and mentions another (non-FIFA member) twice.

The one area where it is clear what is happening and when is Asia. They have already played one knock out round, reducing the numbers from 46 to 40. Tomorrow’s draw will divide these into eight groups of five teams each, playing in groups that will finish next June.

After that, the eight group winners and four “best” runners-up will go into the third round, played as two groups of six. This dozen is automatically qualified for the 2023 Asian Cup in China, as well as continuing their World Cup odyssey. There is still some room for complication, which concerns the hosts of the two competitions.

Should Qatar finish in the “Top 12”, as expected, then it is uncertain if they will continue to play in what are only World Cup matches, as they will have already qualified. In this case, a 13th place team may be invited to take their place, (and reducing the number of other places available in the Asian Cup). Similarly, should China not make the “Top 12”, they are not required to carry on qualifying for the Asian Cup and will almost certainly take that option to avoid further embarrassment.

Two confederations, OFC and UEFA have not made any announcement of the format of their competitions. The OFC are liable to use a similar system to that in the past, with an early round (or two) of single venue groups, followed by a home and away group (or two).

UEFA will play their second edition of the Nations League in the autumn of 2020, so World Cup qualifying will not start until March 2021. There is certain to be ten groups of five or six teams, and as for the 2020 Euros, the four Nations League finalists will be excused from six team groups in order to play the finals. The most likely format is that the ten runners-up from the groups and two teams selected by their Nations League rankings will then play off over two rounds for the final three slots in Qatar

Africa has announced its format, but not the dates. There will be ten groups of four teams at their group stage, so the First Round will be a direct knock out to reduce numbers from 54 to 40. They will then have a final play off between the ten group winners. This means that more teams are getting to play group matches, so more experience for more players – but whether this can arrest the decline in the continent’s fortunes compared to previous Cups remains to be seen.

In South America, there is no change to the format – they remain with the single group, 18 games each for their ten teams. The games will start in March 2020 and run through to November 2021

CONCACAF has announced the biggest change to qualifying, which enables them to give more matches to more teams, while reducing the length of their qualifying tournament. They commence their version of the Nations League this autumn, and hence will not start their World Cup qualifying campaigns until September 2020. The old system was a long-winded process of knock out and group matches finishing with the “Hex”, where six teams have won through to the final group which decided who made it to the finals.
The “Hex” remains, but teams will be selected for this, based on 2020 rankings, which means the Nations League will have a large input into finding these six. The remaining 29 teams will be placed into 8 groups of three or four teams, with knock out matches only after these have been completed. One team will come through these group matches and three following knock-out rounds, (each two legs). This team will then play the one that finished fourth in the “Hex”, (the three above having directly qualified for the finals). The winner of that match will then play in the intercontinental play-off.

This schedule, and the introduction of the Nations League means we have seen the last of the Copa Centroamericana and the Caribbean Cup last used in 2017 as a qualification route for the Gold Cup. How qualification for the 2021 Gold Cup is won has yet to be announced, but it is sure to be based on the 2019 Nations League and the World Cup qualification procedure.



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Thanks for the explanations on the 2022 World Cup Qualifiers, Leo! Asia have now drawn the teams for its next phase of qualifying. Here are the participants left for the 4.5 slots to Qatar.

Group A: China, Syria, Philippines, Maldives, Guam
Group B: Australia, Jordan, Taiwan, Kuwait, Nepal
Group C: Iran, Iraq, Bahrain, Hong Kong, Cambodia
Group D: Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Palestine, Yemen, Singapore
Group E: Bangladesh, Afghanistan, India, Oman, Qatar
Group F: Japan, Kyrgyz Republic, Tajikistan, Myanmar, Mongolia
Group G: United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia
Group H: South Korea, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Sri Lanka, Lebanon

Here in the 'Land of CONCACAF', there's been some spirited debate about the new qualifying system for 2022. Many people think it unfair that the confederation is using FIFA rankings to determine the final Hex. Others argue it is fair since lesser teams won't have to go up against the likes of Mexico, USA, or Costa Rica (the so-called Big 3 of CONCACAF) and take a terrible beating that benefits neither the winning or losing side. To get to the final Hex in the past, CONCACAF used 6 groups of 4 with the winners advancing to the final stage of qualifying. There have also been 3 groups of 4 with the top 2 teams in each group making the last stage. Over the past 3 cycles for the World Cup, a definite pecking order has been established, as 5 of the final 6 teams have always been the same (USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama).

So, we'll see how things play out for 2022. The team that emerges from the Nations League competition to meet the 4th placed Hex team will certainly have earned its position. I'm not sure how this year's Gold Cup automatic qualifiers were determined. It could have been based strictly off the final Hex participants for the 2018 World Cup, or it could have been the Top 6 teams in the confederation based on FIFA rankings at a certain point in time. If so, then it was just coincidental that the 6 automatic teams in the Gold Cup were also in the final Hex in 2017. The other 10 participants earned their chances by doing well in Nations League play. So between now and the end of 2020, it will be interesting to see how teams schedule their international friendlies and how well they perform in those games to try and boost their rankings. In this year's Gold Cup, Honduras and Trinidad & Tobago failed to get out of the group stage. Haiti and Jamaica, who came through Nations League qualifying, were semifinalists, so that good showing has to help their cause when the next FIFA rankings come out.


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I think we still have to wait to see how CONCACAF arrange their competitions, Gold Cup, Nations League and World Cup qualifying in future. I don't think they have worked it out themselves. The new World Cup qualifying schedule feels a bit like the last Europa Cup place in countries such as Belgium - the big teams fight for the big prize, while the rest look for a single chance to play off against a team which has missed on the main prize - and if they win this, they get another play-off before the prize.

Still, between this and the Nations League, more countries are getting more competitive matches. It shows that CONCACAF are managing to secure the funding and sponsorship to give the smaller countries more games. In the past, it would have been advantageous for these countries to play more often, but long distances and minimal crowds have made the fixtures uneconomic.

The AFC's biggest failing is that it has not been able to secure sponsors on this scale, despite the obvious fact that the region includes both the Chinese telecom giants and Arab airlines, two sectors which appear to see sports sponsorship as the way to promote the brands and countries.



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Interesting as the AFC draw is, with meetings between North and South Korea, Iran and Iraq and a mini South East Asia challenge, it is difficult not to expect the eight seeded teams to get through to the next round.

Seven of the eight seeds- Iran, Japan, South Korea, Australia, UAE, Saudi Arabia and China will finish with two home games next June against the second and third seeds in their groups, an arrangement of fixtures that appears to bias the draw in their favour. Qatar are the odd one out (and of course they are playing only for the 2023 Asian Cup place, their World Cup place being confirmed). Having accepted a place in the 2020 Copa America, Qatar have swapped fixtures with 5th seed Bangladesh which means they play only on the first date in June, (Oman away). Although Australia are also expected to appear in 2020, they still have two scheduled home fixtures in June, against Taiwan and Jordan.

It remains to be seen if these get changed, and where the North v South Korea game is played. In the qualifying for 2010, the game was switched to Shanghai as the North refused to fly a South Korean flag in the stadium or play the South Korean anthem. (No problems with the games in South Korea). I had obtained my visa for the Easter 2008 meeting but fortunately had not paid for flights before the change. When I went in June, I went with a WBA fan who had wasted a return ticket to Beijing booked before the change - while I believe some Germans had fully booked and made the trip without seeing a game

Both Korean teams made the next round on that occasion and they met again in September in Shanghai, and eventually both reached the finals.



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UEFA will play their second edition of the Nations League in the autumn of 2020, so World Cup qualifying will not start until March 2021. There is certain to be ten groups of five or six teams, and as for the 2020 Euros, the four Nations League finalists will be excused from six team groups in order to play the finals. The most likely format is that the ten runners-up from the groups and two teams selected by their Nations League rankings will then play off over two rounds for the final three slots in Qatar

If not announced, why are you certain there will be 10 groups. The way the UEFA Nations League is set up, I'd have thought to produce 13 places, there could be 9 group winners qualifying and 4 playoff qualiying places?



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There are two reason to expect 10 groups
  1. UEFA have leaked their ideas to the press.
  2. 9 groups means groups of six, and one of seven - which requires more fixture dates.




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