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Sarumio
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Last year the FA announced them all in one go, much like the Steps 1-6 release. Is the same happening this year?


The Essex Olympian and Cheshire League have already independently announced their provisional constitutions, which of course includes their top division (Step 7).


The ridiculous and unnecessary restructure in the South West at Step 7 has also been announced, but these few leagues are of course, not expected to be caught up or affected by the appeals of certain clubs at Step 6 arguing against their unfair demotions! (Although the Essex Olympian is affected by Buckhurst Hill's appeal but I don't think anyone is expecting that to be successful, the EOL apparently ignoring its existence!)


So are we to assume the FA will have to wait until all the appeals have been heard and acted upon, before releasing their Step 7 Constitutions again this season?


The Step 7 leagues affected by the appeals appear to be the Herts, SSM Div Two, the Central Midlands League, Notts Senior League, Northants Combo and Anglian Combo.


The Kent County League is also affect by the appeals of SMU and Pekcham.


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Step 7 (from The FA).
Let the fun begin.



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Wakefield parachuted into the S&HCSL Premier - nice of them to be able to avoid the lower divisions - maybe we should try that...
FA still not got to grips with the CMFL situation.


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Page Celtic shall be appealing against the lateral move from West Cheshire League into Liverpool County Premier.


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Harworth Colliery will be happy that it is the reserves that join the CML, as it must leave the first team in a higher division Shocked



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Step 7 (from The FA).
Let the fun begin.

It appears that the "New Club" in the Cambridgeshire County League, Eynesbury United, is a rebranding of Eynesbury Rovers Reserves who played in that division last season.


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I had started a new thread, but here seems better.

From Arnold Town supporters,

'No room at the Notts Senior League Inn for the Nottm based Eagles who have just learned they are placed in the CML South next season'.


To summarise Matlock Town reserves, Welbeck and Hucknall out.
Besides Arnold, also joining are Clay Cross from CML North, Sherwood res and Rowsley from CML 1 and Mansfield Hosiery Mills from NSL1 (7th).

So Arnold will be passing plenty of NSL teams for CML games, including Sandiacre in Derbyshire.


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Step 7 (from The FA).
Let the fun begin.


Shirehampton are listed in the Somerset County League which is unexpected as they've been saying if their lateral transfer to the GCL was denied they'd return to the Bristol Premier Combination who expect them.

GCL list makes no mention of the upcoming appeal by Cribbs Reserves to join the league despite not applying, Don't know if their appeal relates to non-promotion or not being asked to fill a vacancy.


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Can anyone explain what this means

"From Surrey Elite Intermediate League (non-lateral)"

I don't imagine there is a problem with Windlesham switching leagues, it appears to make sense - but surely that is literally a lateral move?



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Step 7 (from The FA).
Let the fun begin.


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Re Windlesham, the non-lateral bit presumably refers to them seemingly jumping two divisions from Surrey Intermediate West Div 1. No idea how that's happened, mind.


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Some of the labelling in the From field is a bit ambiguous.
I note St. Francis Rangers who dropped out of Southern Combination Step 6 last year have re-formed and appear in their Step 7 league as an "internal promotion".
Also in Anglian Combination UEA and Mundford were both promoted however have not been highlighted in green our labelled as such (interestingly Wymondham Town appear to have been relegated despite finishing mid table).


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Wakefield parachuted into the S&HCSL Premier - nice of them to be able to avoid the lower divisions - maybe we should try that...
FA still not got to grips with the CMFL situation.

Wakefield tweeted a few days ago that they would be placed in the CML.
This also makes a bit of a mockery of the likes of Wombwell Town's situation - who would I imagine be happy to get a free pass to the Premier Division rather than waste effort on achieving promotions.



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Also in Anglian Combination UEA and Mundford were both promoted however have not been highlighted in green our labelled as such (interestingly Wymondham Town appear to have been relegated despite finishing mid table).


I believe Wymondham Town may have been demoted for disciplinary reasons.


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Still baffled at how Wakefield have been parachuted into Step 7.

How on Earth can a new club that has never kicked a ball before just join a Step 7 League when that League has lower divisions?

North Gawber Colliery, Grimethorpe LLUK, Hepworth United, Burngreave, Wombwell Town, Dodworth MW - all newly formed clubs that had to start at Step 9 - what makes Wakefield so special?


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Hepworth United joined from the Huddersfield League.



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Re Windlesham, the non-lateral bit presumably refers to them seemingly jumping two divisions from Surrey Intermediate West Div 1. No idea how that's happened, mind.


Yes, the reference to Surrey Elite Intermediate League must be in error.


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Map covering South Yorks, Notts and Derbys - might add West Yorks to it.
https://drive.google.com/...1oZE&usp=sharing


Sarumio
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So I noticed the Essex & Suffolk Border League and the Herts Senior County League Prems are also both up to 17 divisions next season for no apparent reason.


So am assuming the 16-team max rule for Step 7 divisions is now being widely ignored by the FA. How strange of the FA to go against their own rules, not like them is it.


I won't comment on Wakefield, as its already been covered, but why have Stanway Pegasus been promoted from Division Two to the Premier Division of the E&SBL, completely bypassing Division One. Are the Division One clubs happy with this?


Also Newport Town are showing as in Division One of the WMRL in this list - but on the WMRL's Full Time page they are showing as in Division Two?


And Mansfield Hosiery Mills are in the CML South - yet finished mid-table in Notts Division One last season?


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So am assuming the 16-team max rule for Step 7 divisions is now being widely ignored by the FA. How strange of the FA to go against their own rules, not like them is it.


Can you show us this rule? Step 7's something I only take a passing interest in but I vaguely recall this 'rule' being discussed on here in the past and possibly being debunked.


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So am assuming the 16-team max rule for Step 7 divisions is now being widely ignored by the FA. How strange of the FA to go against their own rules, not like them is it.


Can you show us this rule? Step 7's something I only take a passing interest in but I vaguely recall this 'rule' being discussed on here in the past and possibly being debunked.


No I can't all I can state is that it was stated on here a while back that the FA had brought in this rule:

Thereafter

The Peterborough & District League made reference to it when announcing they had the cut their Premier Division down from 18 to 16 the season before last.

the Somerset County League made reference to it to explain not promoting both 2nd placed clubs in the Twin Division Ones last season and the fact they could not relegate their bottom 5 in order to do so. So they promoted just the two Div One champions

The Wiltshire League have also made reference to it on more than one occasion - and it why they have relegated their longest serving member Devizes Town Reserves this summer

The SWPL D1s were given special dispensation last summer to run with extra, and this was mentioned by the league, and this was allowed due to the upcoming restructure in 12 months time (I.e. now)

The Wearside League stated last summer they had special dispensation to run with more if needs be.

The Hampshire Premier League last week stated they had been given special dispensation to run with 17 if Cove's appeal failed.

The West Glos County League also mysteriously cut down to 16 after running with higher for years. In fact this season just gone was the lowest number of teams in the league for over 25 years, having had 17 or 18 every season prior to that.

So if it is just rumour, if it has been debunked, then the above leagues don't know about it and are adhering to a rule that doesn't exist and getting special dispensation from a fraud!


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Some on here might be interested to know the FA now has its 2019/20 handbook on its website, covering all the rules and regs under its remit. I can't see anything about step 7 league sizes but others will be more familiar than I am about where it's stipulated, if at all.

The handbook does of course contain next season's NLS Regulations, which I know a few on here like to follow.

Here's the link to the handbook: http://www.thefa.com/...andrules/fa-handbook


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Leagues were told that the limit was 16 clubs for the season just past and the FA set the constitutions at that size, I never saw it written into rules. The FA do however seem to have come to their senses as every league I know of that has asked for more clubs have been permitted them for future seasons - although after next season that will be in the gift of County FA's who will each have their own agenda.


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I won't comment on Wakefield, as its already been covered, but why have Stanway Pegasus been promoted from Division Two to the Premier Division of the E&SBL, completely bypassing Division One. Are the Division One clubs happy with this?



Step 7 is the bottom rung of the NLS. Any club can apply to join the NLS at Step 7. Anything below that is seen by the FA as "Recreational Football". Assume everyone outside the NLS is this mythical "Step 8" people on here like to talk about and potenially one application away from Step 7. (or indeed Step 6 if you are in the Channel Islands!)

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