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Feversham Lens
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Apr 28, 2019, 9:22 AM

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It looks as though rugby union's attempt to establish a top quality club in Yorkshire is over. Second tier Yorkshire Carnegie, formed originally as Leeds Tykes, after a merger of the Headingley and Roundhay clubs, share Headingley with Super League's Leeds Rhinos RLFC. Carnegie bosses hosted a meeting with supporters before the season's last game (a 22-21 home win over Hartpury, watched by just 960). Fans were told there is no longer any money. Next season, Carnegie will go part-time and their academy will be cut back to a much more localized affair. Eight of this season's first team squad, along with director of rugby Chris Stirling, have confirmed they are leaving. Others, notably the overseas contingent, are likely to follow them out of the door.

This takes place against a background of belt-tightening (and job-shedding) at the RFU. The RFU has sent a letter to member clubs stating from next season the counties will get less money, investment in facilities will shrink (the laying of new synthetic pitches is to be suspended), cuts will be made to travel funding (key, one would imagine, to propping up English RU's otherwise geographically unsustainable pyramid), match officials will reduce in number and Twickenham will host fewer community game finals.


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Jun 4, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Looks as though Yorkshire Carnegie are on the brink of folding...

A statement from chief executive Gary Hetherington: The Leeds RUFC board, of which Sir Ian McGeechan, Prof Paul Smith and myself are responsible for the running of Yorkshire Carnegie and for making decisions on the club's future, is awaiting a decision from the shareholders of Yorkshire Tykes RUFC, who provide funds to enable LRUFC to operate, before a further announcement can be made. But it is fair to say the club is in a critical position, having lost its major source of funding, and the board is now working closely with the RFU and YTRUFC shareholders to manage our current predicament and, hopefully, plot a way forward.


Feversham Lens
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Jun 12, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Statement issued today (12/6) by Yorkshire Carnegie, who appear keen to battle on:

Leeds RUFC Ltd, trading as Yorkshire Carnegie, have today proposed a Company Voluntary Agreement with its creditors and Begbies Traynor in Leeds have been appointed to act as joint nominees and supervisors. Directors of Leeds RUFC and its holding company Yorkshire Tykes Limited, whose consortium of investors have supported the clubs since 2014, have worked hard to replace the significant loss of funding support but no new investors have been found. The proposed CVA will be achieved following a lump sum contribution from Yorkshire Tykes Ltd which will enable a dividend to be paid to unsecured creditors. A new operational, break even plan for the 2019-20 season has been presented to the RFU with the Yorkshire Carnegie club continuing to stage matches at Emerald Headingley Stadium and the team operating from the Leeds Rugby facilities at Kirkstall. The Board hope creditors will continue to support the club and approve the CVA to ensure Yorkshire Carnegie continue to operate in the Championship in 2019-20 and beyond.


R.S.Cavendish
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Jul 25, 2019, 2:04 PM

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What did happen in the end? Will they carry on?


Feversham Lens
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Jul 25, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Sorry - took my eye off the ball on YC!

The club's creditors have approved a CVA, so the club soldier on in tier two. Looks like they will be entirely part-time. Very little news about signings etc. In fact, since the CVA announcement, nothing else has been said (officially). There's been talk of YC forging closer links with top-flight Sale Sharks (a move which would, apparently, require RFU backing), perhaps as a way of keeping talented young RU players from Yorkshire in rugby union rather than them going to rugby league.


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In all honesty it's been going downhill since the merger of Roundhay and Headingley. It seems to me that the oomph has gone out of rugby union in Yorkshire at the top levels. I spent a number of Sundays watching Leeds (as they were then called) with only diehards sitting in the stand. I wonder if the Hetherington clan have overstretched themselves?


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Jul 26, 2019, 4:28 PM

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They're flogging a dead horse at Headingley. There simply isn't the interest in rugby union - certainly not second rate rugby union - in urban West Yorkshire. Yorkshire Carnegie/Leeds RU would be better off moving out to the county's rural, more sparsely populated areas, where rugby union has at least some following. Merging, say, with Otley RU, thereby securing use of the Otley club's proposed new, multi-pitch set-up on the edge of town, would make sense. Continuing to invest in the apparently ill-fated 'Headingley project' looks like throwing good money after bad.


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Carnegie will play in the Championship. A RFU statement regarding the CVA and the 2019/20 season "If the club stays up despite a 28 point deduction, or would have been relegated anyway even without the points deduction, then there is a further deduction in the following season.


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Jul 27, 2019, 7:19 PM

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New Director of Rugby is Harrogate-born Martyn Wood, a former England scrum-half who has moved from a coaching job at National League One Hull Ionians. It's a full-time role.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/...rugby-union/49133879


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Jul 27, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Carnegie will play in the Championship. A RFU statement regarding the CVA and the 2019/20 season "If the club stays up despite a 28 point deduction, or would have been relegated anyway even without the points deduction, then there is a further deduction in the following season.

Maybe not done and dusted. Statement on Richmond's website:

Richmond are disappointed with the decision of the RFU Board that Yorkshire Carnegie can remain a Championship Club and will be seeking a review of that decision.

Richmond, as an interested party, has been in discussions with the RFU since April and were subsequently invited to make formal representations to the RFU board sub-committee considering the position. These representations were extensive. Richmond believe that Yorkshire Carnegie should be relegated from the Championship and that Richmond (who have remained financially solvent for many years) should be reinstated.

The reality is that Yorkshire Carnegie stand to suffer no sanction whatsoever as any potential points deduction is to all intents and purposes illusory. It arises only if a creditor refuses to sign up to their CVA and all have signed up already. Accordingly, it would appear that despite their dire financial position and the cancellation of contracts of players drafted in to rescue them from likely relegation, Yorkshire Carnegie remain a Championship Club.

Peter Moore, a director of Richmond, said: "It cannot be in the best long-term interests of the Game that Clubs can run up debts of over £6m and cancel players' contracts. We are very disappointed with the RFU decision, which we will ask to be reviewed."

Pursuant to that process Richmond will be asking for full transparency and, in particular, to see the recommendations together with the written reasons that were made by the sub-committee to the RFU Board.

Peter Moore goes on to say: "Despite our extensive submissions, all that we have seen is a brief RFU statement." Richmond intend to make the application for the RFU's decision to be reviewed early next week.


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Aug 11, 2019, 3:17 PM

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It would appear Yorkshire Carnegie get to start the 2019-20 Championship season with a clean slate.

From the club website:

Leeds RUFC have had confirmation from the RFU that the potential deduction of 28 points will not happen. The RFU Board had announced that Yorkshire Carnegie can remain a participant of the Greene King IPA Championship for the 2019-20 season but subject to the club satisfying certain conditions relating to the entering into of a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA). The insolvency practitioners supervising the Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) entered into by Yorkshire Carnegie, Begbies Traynor, have provided confirmation to the RFU that 100% of the club’s creditors have either agreed to the terms of the CVA or been paid in full by third parties. This information was received by the deadline of 9 August 2019, so as per RFU regulation 5.3 the RFU confirms that the club will not be subject to a deduction of 28 points for the 2019-20 Greene King IPA Championship season. Commenting on the news, Managing Director Chris Gibson said: "This is great news and allows us to progress with our plans for next season. On behalf of everyone at the club, I would like to thank those who have supported the club through this difficult process and allowed us to continue. Our focus now is on building a side to compete in the Greene King IPA Championship and support the vision of our Director of Rugby Martyn Wood and Head Coach Joe Ford."

 
 


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